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HOOH said:
AFAIK, he only had about 0.02mg worth of fentanyl in his system.

It's clear that it wasn't an OD.
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Yes it was an overdose of both Fentanyl/opioid drugs, and METH. George liked to take pills, dope, coke-powder and rocks, and METH in all ways slamming, boofing, smoking, and snorting.

I would not be surprised if he pimped out his 'girlfriend' or he was fine with her sleeping with random men/male dealers for $$$ or in exchange for drugs as this is super common.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Yes it was an overdose of both Fentanyl/opioid drugs, and METH. George liked to take pills, dope, coke-powder and rocks, and METH in all ways slamming, boofing, smoking, and snorting.

I would not be surprised if he pimped out his 'girlfriend' or he was fine with her sleeping with random men/male dealers for $$$ or in exchange for drugs as this is super common.
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You sound like a rational person who doesn't base his arguments around political preconceptions.
 
Zephyn said:
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Oh yes. This in reference to the 6'2" 240 lb angel that, along with his sister I might add, was assaulting his own mother. Even his mother, in spite of this, told the piece of shit to stop resisting. Look it up.

And they're pushing for Federal charges now against Officer Chauvin.

And, no surprise, a lot of other worms coming out of the woodwork now with regards to Officer Chauvin and his prior run-ins with the innocent. Ka-ching! 💲

And in other news: you now have 7 officers, possibly 8, that have been put on "administrative leave" in North Carolina because of the ever so unfortunate Andrew Brown incident. This not to mention another 3 who have resigned (although apparently their resignations having nothing to do with the incident) (yeah right).

Ever heard the saying "dead men tell no tales"?
 
Dropperneck said:
In clown world none of the details matter, only the narrative.
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Yeah. You know what is even worse than this? Educated people or institutions who know only too well the details but manipulate them to support a narrative.

I was going to post this yesterday, completed the post, but then thought fuck it and what's the point. But why the hell not. It's not like I have anything better to do this morning! 🤣

@Blueberry_87 is going to hate me for this one! Sorry! ❤️ You know I mean well! 🤣


Blueberry_87 said:
you keep saying white are more likely to be shot. this is the 3rd or 4th link ill post contradicting that.
www.hsph.harvard.edu

Black people more than three times as likely as white people to be killed during a police encounter

Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than whites to be killed by police.
www.hsph.harvard.edu www.hsph.harvard.edu
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Right. The above is a link to Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Now I don't know if that's in any way affiliated to Harvard University. But given the link I make the assumption that it is. And if not: it's an easy assumption to make mistakenly. Either way: easy to assume that it's credible research. Especially to the uninformed or those that look at headlines, have a quick look at the content, and then go shooting (no pun intended) their mouths off (whether it be on the Internet or a riot or whatever) (pick your poison).

Here's the headline (and, to be frank, until this fiasco all started, was exactly the impression that I was under):

"Black people more than three times as likely as white people to be killed during a police encounter".

Fair enough. If you read just a little bit further it goes on to say in certain AREAS this is true. Very short on detail on the link though.

Then, perplexingly, there's a link from the institutional site to none other than United Press International of all fucking places.

www.upi.com

Study: Black Americans 3 times more likely to be killed by police - UPI.com

A four-year Harvard University analysis released Wednesday shows that black Americans were, on average, more than three times as likely as white people to be killed during a police encounter.
www.upi.com www.upi.com

And here's their headline:

"Study: Black Americans 3 times more likely to be killed by police".

Once again and fair enough: they give a little more detail. But for sure also go out of their way to emphasize the narrative.

Finally, and oddly enough, they have a link to the ACTUAL study:

journals.plos.org

Mapping fatal police violence across U.S. metropolitan areas: Overall rates and racial/ethnic inequities, 2013-2017

Background & methods Recent social movements have highlighted fatal police violence as an enduring public health problem in the United States. To solve it, the public requires basic information, such as understanding where rates of fatal police violence are particularly high, and for which...
journals.plos.org journals.plos.org

Title of the study: "Mapping fatal police violence across U.S. metropolitan areas: Overall rates and racial/ethnic inequities, 2013-2017".

So now, finally, we get to the meat on the bone. And how many do you think would go to this trouble? Most people here, as but one example, don't even read the fucking thread before blasting away. I think it's therefore safe to assume that the majority of American's would bother to go this far. And certainly not those that are burning the house down.

And this high powered, complicated, and convoluted study shows what exactly? Well: it's obvious from the ACTUAL study that there are certain AREAS where the narrative holds true. But then they start getting too clever and try to extrapolate the data out in order to try and make their case and prove that in America, generally speaking, after much fudging and mathematical gymnastics, black people are 3 times for likely to be killed by law enforcement than white people.

Here's the bottom line and from the study itself:

"Of the included 5494 fatalities involving police from 2013–2017, 2353 ( 42.83% ) of the decedents were White, 1487 ( 27.07% ) were Black, 939 were Latinx ( 17.09% ), and 168 ( 3.06% ) were other race/ethnicities, while 547 lacked data on race/ethnicity. Nationally, from our first set of models, the annual rate of fatal police violence was 0.39 per 100,000 ( 95% Confidence Interval [CI] = 0.37,0.42 )."

Now you can stand on your head and whistle Yankee Doodle through your ass: those figures do NOT support the narrative being pushed by all and sundry.

To the study's credit: what it DOES prove is that in certain AREAS the socioeconomic conditions play a huge role. And of course: the sheer numbers of different race and ethnicities in certain AREAS plays a huge role. But it falls on it's backside, and makes shit, when they attempt to come up with a broad average for the entire country.

Point is: do you think your average [insert name of civil rights group] member, rioting in the streets, and suing the police, or baying for the blood of officers, is aware of such detail? Or if they'd even give a shit if they were? Nope. I don't think so.

Anyway. Have fun.

Oh and in closing for now:

Oh how quickly people forget. This comment in references made to New York earlier on the thread to the "Giuliani Era". Well unless it's the media (again): as far as I know New York had become a fucking war zone when Mayor Giuliani was appointed. And he sorted the shit out not? No tolerance for crime and the "broken windows" theory? MORE and better kitted out law enforcement officers were a part of the plan. As far as I remember: it worked not? (Oh sorry my bad,: it was the CIA's fault)! 🤣
 
Most of the time people argue, they aren't trying to convince the other person.

We know we are not going to change anyone's mind.

We are trying to convince ourselves.
 
I've already said some of this already, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Men commit more acts of violence than women. They are (consequently) shot more often than police. Is this a result of systemic sexism?

If not, why not?

Maybe if little girls played with guns and little boys played with dolls, the world would be a different place.

People say the structure of big buildings - skyscrapers - resembles a phallus... I wonder, if woman had dominated history, would the matriarchy have built great tunnels into the ground?

Somehow, I doubt it.

I tend towards most behaviour being a result of conditioning... I used to think it was 100% until I had a kid of my own and witnessed the sheer determination for individual personality upon birth.
 
dalpat077 said:
@Blueberry_87 is going to hate me for this one! Sorry! ❤️ You know I mean well! 🤣



Right. The above is a link to Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Now I don't know if that's in any way affiliated to Harvard University. But given the link I make the assumption that it is. And if not: it's an easy assumption to make mistakenly. Either way: easy to assume that it's credible research. Especially to the uninformed or those that look at headlines, have a quick look at the content, and then go shooting (no pun intended) their mouths off (whether it be on the Internet or a riot or whatever) (pick your poison).

Here's the headline (and, to be frank, until this fiasco all started, was exactly the impression that I was under):

"Black people more than three times as likely as white people to be killed during a police encounter".

Fair enough. If you read just a little bit further it goes on to say in certain AREAS this is true. Very short on detail on the link though.

Then, perplexingly, there's a link from the institutional site to none other than United Press International of all fucking places.

www.upi.com

Study: Black Americans 3 times more likely to be killed by police - UPI.com

A four-year Harvard University analysis released Wednesday shows that black Americans were, on average, more than three times as likely as white people to be killed during a police encounter.
www.upi.com www.upi.com

And here's their headline:

"Study: Black Americans 3 times more likely to be killed by police".

Once again and fair enough: they give a little more detail. But for sure also go out of their way to emphasize the narrative.

Finally, and oddly enough, they have a link to the ACTUAL study:

journals.plos.org

Mapping fatal police violence across U.S. metropolitan areas: Overall rates and racial/ethnic inequities, 2013-2017

Background & methods Recent social movements have highlighted fatal police violence as an enduring public health problem in the United States. To solve it, the public requires basic information, such as understanding where rates of fatal police violence are particularly high, and for which...
journals.plos.org journals.plos.org

Title of the study: "Mapping fatal police violence across U.S. metropolitan areas: Overall rates and racial/ethnic inequities, 2013-2017".

So now, finally, we get to the meat on the bone. And how many do you think would go to this trouble? Most people here, as but one example, don't even read the fucking thread before blasting away. I think it's therefore safe to assume that the majority of American's would bother to go this far. And certainly not those that are burning the house down.

And this high powered, complicated, and convoluted study shows what exactly? Well: it's obvious from the ACTUAL study that there are certain AREAS where the narrative holds true. But then they start getting too clever and try to extrapolate the data out in order to try and make their case and prove that in America, generally speaking, after much fudging and mathematical gymnastics, black people are 3 times for likely to be killed by law enforcement than white people.

Here's the bottom line and from the study itself:

"Of the included 5494 fatalities involving police from 2013–2017, 2353 ( 42.83% ) of the decedents were White, 1487 ( 27.07% ) were Black, 939 were Latinx ( 17.09% ), and 168 ( 3.06% ) were other race/ethnicities, while 547 lacked data on race/ethnicity. Nationally, from our first set of models, the annual rate of fatal police violence was 0.39 per 100,000 ( 95% Confidence Interval [CI] = 0.37,0.42 )."

Now you can stand on your head and whistle Yankee Doodle through your ass: those figures do NOT support the narrative being pushed by all and sundry.

To the study's credit: what it DOES prove is that in certain AREAS the socioeconomic conditions play a huge role. And of course: the sheer numbers of different race and ethnicities in certain AREAS plays a huge role. But it falls on it's backside, and makes shit, when they attempt to come up with a broad average for the entire country.

Point is: do you think your average [insert name of civil rights group] member, rioting in the streets, and suing the police, or baying for the blood of officers, is aware of such detail? Or if they'd even give a shit if they were? Nope. I don't think so.

Anyway. Have fun.

Oh and in closing for now:

Oh how quickly people forget. This comment in references made to New York earlier on the thread to the "Giuliani Era". Well unless it's the media (again): as far as I know New York had become a fucking war zone when Mayor Giuliani was appointed. And he sorted the shit out not? No tolerance for crime and the "broken windows" theory? MORE and better kitted out law enforcement officers were a part of the plan. As far as I remember: it worked not? (Oh sorry my bad,: it was the CIA's fault)! 🤣
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Never! ❤️
 
Forgive me for chiming in without reading the threads content subsequent to the verdict, although I have ascertained by dipping in here and there that the standard intransigence persists with the usual suspects making the same cases. While my arrogance tells me that I know what is right, I have enough insight to know that is not nor never will be the case as unlike most I am lucky enough to live outside of the US, in what is a conservative but largely tolerant society and while we are far from perfect, the discussion is very different. A serving police officer made headlines recently for a murder that while not racially charged, was on balance far more heinous than the actions of Chauvin and while it did a good job of further undermining a level of police confidence that was already suffering, the evil cunt responsible would have been laughing his ass off at the headlines this week. While only established in response to the Windrush gen., our local police forces including the Metropolitan Police in particular have a history of institutional racism, the only difference during the civil rights era being that our officers could not murder black suspects at the same rate as their US fraternity, with uniformed constables not carrying firearms as standard, resulting in them having to drag the suspect into custody before beating the snot out of them. Although this culture still exists it has improved somewhat thanks not only to better quality, progressive policing but due to our Police forces having little to no money - unlike the US even the most liberal minded person over here can see that the police are overwhelmed with domestic and mental health responses due to budget cuts across the board and investment in such areas cannot come from de-funding the police who often do not have the time or resources to harass folk at the rate your lot do - I have been caught with cannabis, heroin and crack by local LE and on most occasions they have just let me go after confiscating the drugs, thanks to many of them being able to tell the difference between a drug user and an actual criminal.

With an independent Crown Prosecution Service as a separate branch of the Home Office to that which manages the Police, even the biggest crooks and the police haters have respect for and faith in the courts so the idea of someone not being able to take satisfaction in the judiciary due to their political beliefs just seems so sad to me. How could you have faith in anything the state does. We are talking about one instance, just one, of what seems to be nothing more than basic accountability as opposed to actual justice. There are plenty of wins for the Police still to have as long as the unions continue their reign of qualified imunnoterror so for all those clutching their pearls about a man who has not even been sentenced yet my advise is to not worry so much.
 
HatingThisLife said:
Obama took office during the worst recession since the Great Depression. At one point I was on unemployment during that tine and there were work search requirements and the amount of money was a fraction of what a normal paycheck wouldve been.

Why didnt Trump do any of that either?? All that shit he talked about Chicago and he did nothing for them either!! Oh maybe its bc that is up to the state and municipal governments. What exactly is it that you think Obama couldve done?
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HatingThisLife said:
Bahahahahahaha you really believe that?? Most of his policies benefitted him, his families and his cronies. They lined their pockets at our expense. Trump doesnt give a flying fuck of 2 shits about any of us!!! His shits on a golden toilet and you believe he cares about us?? That's as funny as saying Trump is anti-abortion....I wonder how quickly he pays for and urges his mistresses to have abortions??? Hook line and sinker!!
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HatingThisLife said:
They didnt just stand there!! I watched the raw body cam footage, the other officers helped try to push him into the back of the cop car and they helped hold him down. And then when he passed out and had no pulse they try to tell Chauvin that and asked if they should roll him on his side which is standard protocol and Chauvin said no. They are being charged and will go to trial in August. They will be held accountable. Where have you gotten your info from?
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HatingThisLife said:
Obama took office during the worst recession since the Great Depression. At one point I was on unemployment during that tine and there were work search requirements and the amount of money was a fraction of what a normal paycheck wouldve been.

Why didnt Trump do any of that either?? All that shit he talked about Chicago and he did nothing for them either!! Oh maybe its bc that is up to the state and municipal governments. What exactly is it that you think Obama couldve done?
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Go try starting shit with someone else.

That's what Obama stands for:

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America
 
HatingThisLife said:
I guess YOU have looked into recent Socialist countries...Netherlands, Norway, Sweden.

Its intellectually disingenious or willfully ignorant to point to North Korea, China, Cuba, Russia when talking about socialism - those are dictatorships, but keep believing that conservative propaganda
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Socialism=Communism it's just a softer term, plus you are dealing with different people in those countries you mentioned, if you love socialism so much why don't you move to one of those above mentioned countries, that is if your American, if not I could care a less where your from ot where you go, just don't come on here preaching about socialism and how great it is.
 
I feel we have no choice but to let the right wingers take over the last few pages of this thread. I'm not going to keep arguing with them. Id move to one of those countries in a heartbeat, but they don't just accept any immigrant. Thankfully I also have an EU citizen ship but it takes many years and lots of money to claim my birth right citizenship and even then for eu citizen its not exactly the easiest to get the right to work and Healthcare in other parts especially if you don't know their language. For most usa people, unless they are seriously rich, they'd never be accepted.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
BLM does not care about black people-both worldwide and Black Americans. The one lady who is apparently in charge of burn loot murder bought a super expensive multimillion dollar home in CA, built slave quarters, and basically none of her neighbors in the gated community she lives in or the nearby town are black.

There's an interesting theory going around that Occupy Wall Street in 2011 spooked the 1%, and they decided the best way to stay in power was by creating a false narrative of racism to create conflict within everyone else. If you look at the composition of articles in the Washington Post, New York Times, Guardian, Spiegel, etc, you''ll discover that they became much more focused on race around 2013 (Trayvon Martin) and by 2014 BLM was in full swing and the media was pushing the "hands up don't shoot" lie about Michael Brown's shooting.
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Yes and Trayvon was shot by a Jewish Hispanic, not a White man, and Trayvon Martin was a thug not the angel they portrayed him to be.
 
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Dropperneck said:
Also to add, I don’t think a fair verdict was even possible here. Now that they televise the whole trial, and the media openly doxxes jurors that don’t come to the verdict they favor. It’s horrifying, but it’s the natural progression of clown world that I have come to accept.
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Why did they even show those jurors names and races, and not handle it the way they do mob trials and give the jurors numbers and they are kept sequestered and no one even knows what they look like, so the mob doesn't try to get to them and bribe them or send someone to execute them?
 
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