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Yea my advice is do not play 94 ever unless you can see the flop for free from the big blind. If there are 3-4 limpers outside the blinds I would complete due to pot odds. With 94 you are looking for 2 pair or trips otherwise you have to lay it down. The odds of this are not good so only call when there are a lot of players limping. That is a good move to throw your stack at him after hitting 2 pair, you just took a bad beat.

Also a lot of beggining players make the mistake of playing out of the SB way too often. Even though it is half price to call you wind up being in the worst position on the table post flop. I am very hesitant to bet out here with anything less than top pair top kicker. It is a good way to lose a bunch of money when you think you have the best hand. Because of this I am only completing the big blind 19% of the time (according to Poker Tracker). If any of you guys need some help on certain poker situations or need some good online reading material shoot me a PM.
 
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Comment and question.

Comment: the turbo sit and goes on Full Tilt are unbelievably easy to beat:

Played 11; won 3; second 3; third once. Out of the money 4 times.

Start with 1500 in chips, blinds are 10/20 and go up every 2 minutes. Pretty soon, you're jamming all-in with J7o. The game totally rewards aggressive play with marginal hands; if you can pick your moment to start being aggressive, you will take down a lot of blinds on near-bluffs.

Question: etiquette. Tourney game, 9 at table. 3 in hand. Flop comes Jack Ten Ten. Big blind bets half the pot. Mid position folds. While the last player is thinking about his call, someone else types "damn, I folded a ten". Late position immediately re-raises BB all-in. BB calls (he was short-stacked) and the late position has the last ten.

How do you feel about the guy typing that he'd folded a 10, while the hand was still active? The BB didn't say anything, but I would have been pissed off if it had been me.
 
How do you feel about the guy typing that he'd folded a 10, while the hand was still active? The BB didn't say anything, but I would have been pissed off if it had been me.
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I think this is technically against the rules. It's a big no no at my home game and seems pretty jacked online as well.
 
talking about a hand you're not in is absolutely out - you'll get in trouble in a casino doing that.

poker aphorism:

- if you wouldn't play them unsuited, don't play them suited.

again, doesn't always apply but i often see people who've played, say a 78 which busts them, their mantra seems to be "but they were suited"

alasdair
 
How do you feel about the guy typing that he'd folded a 10, while the hand was still active? The BB didn't say anything, but I would have been pissed off if it had been me.
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Ya this is bullshit. Even when somebody gives a tell while out of a hand indicating they have certain cards, even if it gives me an advantage, pisses me off. Knowing the folded cards in a hand changes everything..
 
"If your redeeming quality is that the cards are suited, then they are suited for the muck."
 
alasdairm said:
talking about a hand you're not in is absolutely out - you'll get in trouble in a casino doing that.
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That's what I figured. Should I have said anything? The person who busted out didn't speak up, and I figured it was none of my business really. What would have been the better etiquette?

poker aphorism:

- if you wouldn't play them unsuited, don't play them suited.

again, doesn't always apply but i often see people who've played, say a 78 which busts them, their mantra seems to be "but they were suited"

alasdair
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This is something I'm glad to have learned. Suited cards are only about a 2% better chance to win than the same cards, unsuited. So you get a slight edge, but it's not really worth it. Except maybe from late position, in an unraised pot with several callers?
 
uacvax said:
you guys play freeplay or what?
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I play free rolls and low stakes tournaments (say $1-2 entry). I don't play cash games well, so I stick to the single or multi-table tourneys. The others are a few levels above me :)
 
uacvax said:
you guys play freeplay or what?
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i'd rather lose money..lol

Great info about the 2% advantage simon, makes my 9 4 look even worse
/laughing :D
 
When do pot odds necessitate calling preflop with a shitty hand, if ever?
For example on party poker freeplay people will start calling trains where if the first guy calls BB, all of them do. If you have something like 2 7 o is it still correct to call?

I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised that so many bluelighters are serious poker players, I'm not but I'd like to get started as there is a casino somewhat close to where I live. I'd practice more online but damn US legislation

I guess I don't have to check out 2plus2 anymore
 
play money is not really poker. no one cares about losing money so way too many people call. if you really want to start playing i suggest depositing enough money to play .05/.10 NL hold em. if you play micro-limits the way poker is supposed to be played it should be easy money and before you know it your bank roll will be big enough to move up.

Pot odds will only be good to call with any 2 if you are in late position with a bunch of callers. It will never be exactly pot odds to call with any 2, but any time that you think you can hit a 2 pair and extract enough money to make it a +EV play do it. By being plus EV you are going to need to be able to make at around 20x the money you are putting in to call with any 2. So basically only do this in the small blind behind a lot of limpers when the big blind is passive nad does not raise a lot.

One more thing, do not stop reading 2plus2, there is much better advice on there than I can give you or anyone else on this site.
 
Ok, so I was playing in a real game last night and had just sat down. I always make it a rule not to get involved in big hands too soon after sitting down, but this hand damn near crippled me.

So I had around 80 dollars, table average was around 150-200. I get JJ in early position and raise it to 15 dollars ($1-2 Blinds). I get two callers. Flop comes 5-7-9 rainbow, and I'm in first position, so I put $20 out there. Guy right next to me goes all in, and he gets a caller. Now I have an overpair, but they are jacks. Maybe some loose player called me with 6-8, maybe someone spiked a set, maybe two pair. I have around 40 sitting in front of me, but I end up folding my overpair. Turns out the all in was bluffing with an Ace-rag, and the caller had top pair. If I would have called, I would have tripled up.

What would you do in my situation?
 
hard call you were left $45 dollars left... pot had $188 in it 4:1 pot odds. you can't put someone on pocket k's or a's because they would have re-raised you pre-flop. i'm not even thinking about the str8t (why push you have the nutz i'd smooth call and let you bet again) or 2 pair because unless someone has a monster chip stack in front of them calling a 7.5 times the blind raise iwith 7/9 is a donkey play (notice its different calling then leading out a bet). so to me it's either q's, top pair, a set, maybe 6's or 8's on a semi bluff or a bluff. if i don't think about i fold the minute i start replaying it in my head getting 4 to 1 pot odds i could see my self calling it but not an easy decsion.
 
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What do you think of the $20 bet? There's $45-$48 in the pot (depending on whether the callers were in the blinds or not). So the $20 bet doesn't seem too strong to me - looks like it could be read as a continuation bet, so it makes sense for the others to try to bluff or semi-bluff.

(But what do I know, I spent my last session laying down top pair, good kicker (KQ on a K high board) because I was convinced that after leading out with a pot-sized bet, getting a caller and a raiser, that someone must have AK. The caller had pocket 9s, and the re-raiser had KT. Can't work out if I'm the donkey, or they are ;). Then went broke on a sequence of KK, JJ, JJ - same guy called with AQ, AQ, Q6, hit his A on the first and his Q on the 3rd, I won the 2nd.

I hate JJ like Alasdairm hates 94 - I always lose with it ;)).
 
to me the $20 bet is on of 3 things:

a continuation bet (you having A/k) just trying to take down the pot

you having a weak over pair 10's, J's, Q's because K's or A's or a set bets the pot or if their sneaky and have alot of gamble in them they wait for the next person to bet and check raises all-in but thats me i'm willing to risk all my chips with A's or K's or a set trying to double up against that flop. reasoning being if you want to double up but don't want anyone to see cards cheapily to draw out on you

or a made hand the str8t (even though i wouldn't play it that way) and they're slowly drawing money out of you.

the problem the $20 it begs to be called or re-raised on bluff the bet shows weakness with you stack left i would have bet the pot....right of the bat and make other people make decisons.

to me i think the first mistake was betting the $15 (7.5 times the blinds) from early postion. J's are not are strong hand even more leading out early. to me put in a 3-4 times the bb bet lets say $8 lets say there's still only 2 callers so $24-$27 in the flop you bet the pot and then i bet you take it down right there
 
Easy call, you are only calling another $45 to win a $245 pot, You would have to be ahead here only 1 time in 5 for this call to be a winning call, (plus EV). An over pair on that flop vs two idiots is a good oppurtunity, take advantage of it. If your up vs a set it happens. If you worried about losing the buyin then dont play that limit.

$1/2nl live players are awful, dont give em so much credit. Also players at that level will often slow play sets and straights so the allin isn't too bad a sign, although the call is worrying.
 
to me i think the first mistake was betting the $15 (7.5 times the blinds) from early postion. J's are not are strong hand even more leading out early. to me put in a 3-4 times the bb bet lets say $8 lets say there's still only 2 callers so $24-$27 in the flop you bet the pot and then i bet you take it down right there
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Horrible advice if you've ever played in one of these games. Its the lowest casino limits, 3-4 X the BB is the 'standard' preflop raise in alot of situations, where it will actually achieve what you want it to. It won't do much at this level. A preflop raise will do 2 things, - thin the field, and build a pot. With JJ you want to thin the field and ideally be up against 1-2 opponents max. Any more players than that and you are going to be a big underdog after a flop. Raise $6-8 in a $1/2 live game and 5-8/10 players will probably call you with any 2. He is playing really shortstacked so his options are limited from the bat.

On the flop Hunt, you should of bet closer to a pot sized bet $50, and called any raise. I woulda just gone allin for your last $65 on the flop as theres no point leaving yourself with so little as its gauranteed to get in on a later street.

Ignore the results aswell when analyising the hand, even if you were up vs a set and a straight it would of been the correct call. You can only put your opponents on a hand range when making a decision.
 
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