Pod Putty

[arcarsenal]

I am making this post because there was no clear cut answer when using the search engine.

I simply want to make a "solid" extraction of everything that would be in poppy tea. I do not want to extract the morphine.

Some people suggested boiling down tea, I believe that will be wasteful. Some people suggested a "tea freeze" tek that isolates the alkaloids into a smaller volume of water, which is easier to extract.

I was wondering if a pure isopropyl alcohol extraction would work? It would be very easy to evaporate quickly and cleanly. Would it satisfactorally extract the same alkaloids that water would?

Has anyone noticed a qualitative difference between an alcohol and a water extraction?

 

[hfrs]

Your best source on this topic would be either poppies.org or opiophile. I know both sites have several threads on this exact topic. There may even be a couple around here, I've never looked.

 

[sonic]

There was another thread on this from just a few weeks ago. Iso alcohol works good and it evaporates quickly. Put ground pods and/or seeds in a bottle with alcohol, shake up the bottle often. It only takes about 10 minutes to wash most of what you want off the seeds, it takes longer for pods. When you're done, filter out all solid material using a nylon sock or whatever filtration device you can come up with. Then you can leave the "brown alcohol" on a dish to evaporate. You can "cook" up pod putty like you would with ketamine. This technique works well, it just doesn't work as fast as cooking K. Put water in a pan on the stove and let it boil (use an ELECTRIC burner because gas + alcohol = explosive), and put a pyrex bowl over the boiling water. This will allow the alcohol to evaporate in a few hours time. You can then scrape what is left over with a razor blade and you will be left with pod putty. You can also just use water instead of alcohol. For 200g of unwashed seeds you can get about .3g of putty.

 

[arcarsenal]

Thanks alot guys. Quick and concise.

 

[mikemikemike]

What do you do with the putty? Smoke, eat? How potent is it?

 

[melange]

you can put it in a capsule and eat it


there have been people that claim you can smoke it




but I hear it doesn't work too well

 

[sonic]

^ Yeah, eating it is probably the best way to take it. Plugging it is supposed to work better. I'd like to try this at some point, but I haven't yet.

 

[Druggist]

I've never tried the stuff, but if I had some I would first try smoking a little, just to see what happens. If nothing, then I'd eat it.

 

[xxanxxtwo]

I used to love to take my AA pressure cooker)), and load it up with pod grounds ann make a rather large batch of pod putty. Works great when swallowed....

 

[mukant666]

Even though I've never plugged it I've heard that it's the best MOA for opium, so I'm guessing it's the same for 'pod putty' as well.

 

[frizzantik]

if you don't like the idea of rubbing alcohol fumes filling your kitchen you can make tea via your preferred method, then strain the tea and put the liquid in a pyrex dish in the oven on low heat with the door open.

the end result doesn't really lend itself to smoking or vaporizing though... it's only really good for portability and/or reducing the volume of material needed to be consumed

 

[xxanxxtwo]

if you don't like the idea of rubbing alcohol fumes filling your kitchen you can make tea via your preferred method, then strain the tea and put the liquid in a pyrex dish in the oven on low heat with the door open.

the end result doesn't really lend itself to smoking or vaporizing though... it's only really good for portability and/or reducing the volume of material needed to be consumed

Exactly. If you put the oven on low and leave the door open with a fan sitting on it, it will work very well.

 

[arcarsenal]

Thanks for the great ideas guys. The low heat/fan sounds like a great way to go. A day or so of that ought to take care of the water.

All other suggestions appreciated also. Maybe I will compare an evaped water extraction with an isopropanol one.

 

[xxanxxtwo]

Thanks for the great ideas guys. The low heat/fan sounds like a great way to go. A day or so of that ought to take care of the water.

All other suggestions appreciated also. Maybe I will compare an evaped water extraction with an isopropanol one.

Just make sure that the fan is on low!!

I have done both water and iso, they are fairly similar though the iso seemed to yield a bit more. This may have been due to several factors though...

 

[sonic]

Yeah, I'm sure water works just fine.. I've only attempted to make putty with seeds because seed tea is gross and it can make you sick, but the putty is much easier to consume and more refined.

 

[garuda]

If you're just going to consume it orally what is the point? It seems like a lot of work when you could just drink the water.

 

[rachamim]

First, if you want an extract that does NOT contain morphine (as you stated), yes, alcohol is for you. However, what exactly aree you trying to get if not morphine? If you want codeine only (do not understnad why you would want to avoid it if you do want codeine buyt that is none of my buisness), go for it. If you want other alkaloids, why? Thebaine extracted this way will be useless for a workup, and thebaine on its own does not have standard opiate effects.

One other thing, "Pod Putty" is an actual label as opposed to a slang term. It refers to raw opium that has been dissolved in water, evaporated off and reconstitued as a semi hard substance with ALL alkaloids present. I know semantics are a pain but this one does not refer to an alcohol based extract (Extract would be the label).

 

[sonic]

^ So, morphine is completely insoluble in alcohol? I figured a solvent would wash everything off the seeds and do a slightly better job than water. Why wouldn't alcohol take off the morphine as well as everything else? I just experimented with a tiny amount thus far. I will have to compare water to alcohol. Like I said, I think it's only worth going to the trouble to make putty from the seeds.

 

[rachamim]

No, soluble means it would remain in solution. Sure it will wash alot of things including MOST (not all because nothing does that ) of the morphine BUT it will remain as particulate...well, he could filter the solution somwhat efficiently and remove the morphine as he wants to do apprently, so it might be a good idea but only if one did not want morphine as the poster does not.

If instead Sonic, they wanted an opiated extract, using alcohol would be counter productive. There is no really efficient way to net BOTH codeine and morphine from a single source. Their solubilities are akilter. This is why most licit codeine is made from morphine as opposed to natural extraction (well that and the economic perspective since codeine is only present in low single digit concentrations).

It just seems so counter intuitive, you know? Yes, one could net some of the other alkalopids but even if they wanted thebaine for some odd reason, its concentration is less than a single digit percentage wise. Of course 2 strains (Pzewlski ### and Norman) are high on thebaine and practically no morphine exists but in that case noone would worry about morphine because it is practically non-existent in that scenario.

In any other scenario you would simply net most of the morphine and abit of the codeine by using water just below the boiling point. You can, if willing and able, net most of the remaining codeine (as well as thebaine if able or willing) with further work up.

 

[arcarsenal]

Rachamim,

I think you misunderstood my syntax.

Its not that I don't want to extract ANY morphine at all, it is that I have no desire to extract JUST the morphine.

I want a condensed version of poppy pod tea. Reason being, it tastes bad and takes alot of effort to get larger doses.

To those who got what I said, thanks. Rachamim, your advice was still useful concerning the varying solubilities of Morphine/codeine, et al.

Which brings up a new question, would there be any substantial benefit to a combined alcohol/water extraction? (My guess would be no, considering the water extraction works fine on its own).