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PNP and the Gay Community Discussion

Mr. Krinkle said:
im not buying it


you might be more horny from certain drugs but you're just as gay or not gay as always and that wall that you put up, comes down from all of these substances


so you might drink alcohol and 1 have cock in your mouth but if you smoke meth or crack, or do coke, you might end up with one in your ass and 2 in your mouth just because you're feeling it a little more
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Well obviously that's not happening with dudes at the 0 end of that spectrum, but as you go further to the right the probability begins to increase
 
Mr Krinkle & Negrogesic are both right.

Some men are a little gay, some are totally gay. Nothing wrong with it either way.


I've always been one for trying to break stereotypes too. Men feel ashamed to admit they like other men because they think it makes them look "weak" or "submissive" or "feminine" or "not a real man", but you don't have to be any of those things to enjoy sex with men. You can still be a "manly man" and like men.

I'd argue being gay is more masculine than being straight. Nothing more masculine than a bunch of pumped up testosterone filled men.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
and if you were really that disgusted with yourself, you wouldn't keep doing meth


but you keep doing it, because you really do like being gay sometimes
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Why keep doing it if one is really that disgusted with oneself? REALLY! If one stopped using meth completly, or any addictive drugs, because one didn't like the experience this website wouldn't exist.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
I'd argue being gay is more masculine than being straight. Nothing more masculine than a bunch of pumped up testosterone filled men.
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I agree with you there. It's the ultimate for off masculinity. I'm sitting on my dildo rn and guys who feel it isn't masculine at all couldn't fit a baby carrot in there without screaming.

'Yeah think it's easy to learn to bottom?? LOL And the cleaning out process. That's not for sissies (especially for me as I inherited my mothers digestive system).
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
that means you're gay ^
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Sure, really thought it was caaused by not brought out by Amphetamines.
If so you just revealed the truth about a few friends of mine, both guys and girls, that turned at least bi.
Under influence of, so the two proposals of guys i got were not drug fueled but cathalyzed.
Wow, 2 of my friends must really found me atractive.

And i concur the straight line thats is norm is not normal. So it makes sense.

One i don t get like most a cripple dck on stims, never happened to me.
Again the exception to the rule. I get chemical 'castration' took Levetiracetam.
And 0-DSMT does it too, not stimulants in my case, luck you you d think.
No as there was noone to fuck accept those two times with guys.

Girls get horney, for girls, not for me. Maybe they where to integer to cheatv as i had a GF, hopefully.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
I'd argue being gay is more masculine than being straight. Nothing more masculine than a bunch of pumped up testosterone filled men.
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In a way, it is kind of gay being around a woman 24/7, listening to my girlfriend talk about Taylor Swift's outfits, the sheer amount of time that women cry about things, etc.

That said, most of the gay dudes I've met weren't especially masculine. But I've met some who were highly intelligent, so I guess at least I could hold an intelligent conversation with the them -- whereas talking to my girlfriend is sometimes like talking to a little kid (I have had bright girlfriends before though). This morning my girlfriend was taking about her hands and referred to them as her "dextremities" (in place of the word extremities). I mean, she was partially right, dexterity applies to the hands but there is no such word as "dextremities" 🥲
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Anybody who gets fucked up and then wants to be gay, is already a little gay and it just comes out because the barrier you have up, is washed away

So that's just truly how you are

You might be bi or whatever

But you're at least a little gay
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"You need to build 100 bridges before they call you an engineer. But suck just one cock...."
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
and if you were really that disgusted with yourself, you wouldn't keep doing meth


but you keep doing it, because you really do like being gay sometimes

you like that it makes you a knob gobblin sissy boy without restrictions


you're out there posting ads on grind'r letting all the boys come to the yard


right?


im glad you brought this topic up because I have another story about this just from a few days ago
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Are you fantasising about @jayyss doing meth? :ROFLMAO:
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Yeah sorry, I'm gay & when I do meth, I don't think about women AT ALL...


You're disgusted because you're ashamed. We live in a society that paints gay men & men being sexual together as "icky" and "gross" and "weird". And if you're ashamed, you're less likely to act on "gay stuff" when you're sober.


I don't think Mr. Krinkle denies that people's sexualities are on a spectrum, but by "a little gay", he means you have to have some GAY in you in order to do that in the first place. Does it mean you're gay? No, you could be bi or 90% straight & 10% gay (which is still a type of bisexual IMO).

I mean after all, you describe the stuff you like as "gay" too, so if you like "gay stuff" (sober or not), then yeah you have a little bit of gay in you.


I'm sorry but I've done insane amounts of meth in my lifetime (at least 20+ years, thanks to being gay & coming across it from other men so often) & not once have I ever thought about or got turned on by women. Sure it makes you a huge pervert & sex addict, but it shouldn't be "changing your sexuality" on a whim like that.

People who use this excuse are probably already slightly bisexual (or even fully in the closet) and meth takes away their ability to hide it anymore (since it makes you so horny), but then when they're sober & able to repress themselves better, they go back to saying "naw, I'm straight!"...

In the wise words of Mr. Krinkle..... "Cmon!". A fully straight man does not get turned on by or aroused by another man typically. And I'm severely doubtful meth just changes people's sexualities, rather than un-inhibits their already repressed desires & allows them to act on them.

I'm gay & some times I feel gross too after I nut with dudes, that's just post-nut clarity, it doesn't mean "Oh I feel gross so this means I'm automatically straight then".

I actually hate this line of thinking because it implies that "gayness" is just some sort of side effect of something, like an illness that people get if they do bad things (like drugs). Which is kind of insulting to openly gay people who aren't ashamed of admitting they're attracted to men.

Do I think men will some times experiment & can still be straight? Hell yeah, but experimenting & then deciding you don't like it is a hell of a lot different than "I go gay every time I get high".
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You couldn't be more based if you tried
 
negrogesic said:
I feel like the gradient is a little different with men than it is women, since men have a natural aversion to one another due to aggressive competition and territorialty. For instance, I would never ever hit a woman, but if somehow I was gay and had male partner I would probably be violent toward them for the slightest offense out of my natural dominant nature. So for me it's hard to look at a man and feel attraction, because whenever I see a guy I am instinctively sizing him up with regard to whether or not I could take him in a fight. I don't actually think that outright; it occurs in my subconscious. All of my good male friends I have at one time or another faught or tried to fight.
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this makes sense.
though i have met more openly gay males than openly gay females (that can just be me socializing mostly with males) i find females have less inhibitions when it comes to engage in gay sex play, at least under the influence. the ones i knew had very little self doubt about their sexuality after such an experience. probably because female homosexuality isn't seen as completely "irk" by both males & females (no idea about 100% gay males, what do you say, @DeathIndustrial88 - are two females having sex "irk" to you? maybe it's about aesthetics and the image of beautiful women smelling of roses vs. hairy males smelling of old sweat and ass)
but as i said, just personal observation.
 
I like how regardless of your background Everyone on Grindr has the basic drug lingo down.

My ex really liked poppers.. like 60 bottles on the nightstand kind of "like" I don't get it honestly. Yea you get a head rush, yes they are useful for taking a big dong. But it's not a recreational high.

What was the last question... How do we cure people from the pnp life?
I guess like anything else, education. There's a ton of guys I have met that were young and cute and just getting into that lifestyle.
They don't really care about what life might be a decade down the line.
Hell some guys were anti drug their whole lives but because it's used as a sexual stimulation they can rationalize that it's just making sex better.

The thing is as we are all now aware is addiction rarely happens quickly.

Like one of the guys was saying, most "straight" men only ever do homosexual stuff when they are high on meth. It's almost like a fucked up cheap therapy. Doesn't make you gay , or mean you have a drug problem. But it sets up a potential life long list of triggers for relapse or struggling with sexual identity.

Education like anything else can turn the tide. The biggest issue I've noticed with the pnp lifestyle is the large amount of spreadable stds. Rarely is the guy that's been high for 30 hours , taking load after load concerned with health risks. Even in the age of prep and healthcare. The amount of guys that claim to be on prep locally, or even the ones that claim to be poz but undetectable, ok but how do I know that's not bs?
 
Dirtyblond91 said:
Hey.
Are there any threads that talk specifically about parTy and play within LGBT+? Specifically, the gay community?
I'm really talking a place where we can, and those who are just curious, discuss the meth epidemic. I really need some sort of support like that, in fact.

Right now, I'm wondering on thoughts on how to cure (?) the epidemic. What will need to happen? Any historical comparisons? I mean, pnp is such a hard thing to get out of and so easy to get into.

Aside from that, what do you guys think of poppers when in recovery? And what about harm reduction with T?
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I think this thread ( while quite entertaining) kind of got off topic from what the OP @Dirtyblond91 was asking about. Well, other than people pointing out that inhibitions around sex go way down for (some) people when they do meth. Personally, meth doesn't make me horny in the slightest, but I have never tweaked very hard. I know the PnP scene is a big deal in the gay community and something that could use some Harm Reduction. I'm sure that mixing sex into meth use makes it even harder to quit or control.
All the usual suggestions for HR, there are a lot of good ones in other threads here on meth
Hydrate, eat, brush your teeth, set a limit on use and get sleep. Most people would agree, though, that it is VERY hard to use meth responsibly.
Good luck!
 
that new meth that's out there gives me dope dick - idk how anybody gets going on that staff


but that ephedrine based stuff, for sure


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is it really an epidemic?

i mean i know ive been hearing about it since the early 90s
 
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