Opioids Pls help I dont want him to do it wrong and die!!

[savvy1203]

My bf is addicted to Opioids. He was cooking down oxycodone 15's. he got a few op 20's (Oxycontin 20mg) today and is bound and determined to IV inject them up? are they like the other ones where yu just add water? how do you make them so you can IV inject them?

 

[laschenova]

The new formula of Oxycontin is supposed to be crush proof, but I am sure someone has come up with some super complicated way to get around that. Have you suggested he take the 20 orally and do a bigger dose?

 

[Tommyboy]

The 'OP' OxyContin is not like the old 'OC' OxyContin. There is currently no safe way to IV them. They are extremely difficult just to get into powder form, and then they gel up once they come in contact with water.

Also, when you say he was 'cooking down oxycodone 15's' do you mean that he was applying heat to them, because you should not be heating pills when prepping for injection. The IR oxycodone dissolves in room temperature water, so heating them will allow inactive solid particles used as fillers to dissolve into the solution, get filtered into the shot, and then precipitate back out into its solid form once in the circulatory system. This can cause a number of complications, so if your bf is heating his 15's or any other pills then tell him to stop.

 

[mrflowers00]

DON'T let him try to inject the ops that is dangerous and stupid the best that could come from it is a collapsed vein the worst is no more bf

 

[savvy1203]

I don't know what to do he is refusing to listen to me he said he cooked an op 40 and it worked so he can do this no problem ughhhhhhh

 

[bronson]

Puts you in a really tough spot suggest he reads and looks at the following...

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/08/slides/2008-4356s1-05-Purdue.pdf

Also, with this drug there is no real rush produced from the IV ROA. Just suggest strongly that he take them orally, but his choices are his. I hope he sees sense.

All the best to you both.

 

[Droppersneck]

tell him to PLEASE reconsider! Drop it in some coke and drink the shit. do what he will but I literally have a piece of shit/best friend who has been banging OP80s for a couple years. He keeps going to the doctor and they were telling him he had lung cancer at first but now they "dont know what it is". He wont even admit to me that it is a slight issue. Have not talked to him in a bit. Campfire tales get scary when your 26 and they become real. There is no defeating it they made it into shitty fucking rubber goo straight from the Mans cock.

 

[tricomb]

The 'OP' OxyContin is not like the old 'OC' OxyContin. There is currently no safe way to IV them. They are extremely difficult just to get into powder form, and then they gel up once they come in contact with water.

Also, when you say he was 'cooking down oxycodone 15's' do you mean that he was applying heat to them, because you should not be heating pills when prepping for injection. The IR oxycodone dissolves in room temperature water, so heating them will allow inactive solid particles used as fillers to dissolve into the solution, get filtered into the shot, and then precipitate back out into its solid form once in the circulatory system. This can cause a number of complications, so if your bf is heating his 15's or any other pills then tell him to stop.

This...

Why don't I apply heat to my pharmaceutical opioids?

Written for opiophile, but decided I'd post it here as well
Introduction & Context
I recently attended a pill injection workshop in Australia, among the people at this workshop, there was a man called Dr. Bruno Raimondo, him and his team are running research into opioid pills such as OxyContin, MSContin and Subutex and the effectiveness of filtering. In the morphine forum I already summarized a document he did, I managed to obtain a copy of the slides he used at the presentation, although he has not released the formal version (which I will link to when he has) of the research, the slides he has emailed me are sufficient for the information people need to know.
Too long didn't read:
Don't heat pills, 2-3ml of water soaking your finely powdered pill, with a 1ml rinse through your filter (SHOULD be using a wheel filter) will give you the best results. Wheel filters are necessity they don't retain any drug (95-99% is let through, cotton filters let through less). Expect health problems down the road if you shoot cotton filtered pills.
Harms of pill injection
Injecting pills (or anything) can result in contaminants entering your body such as insoluble particles or bacteria and fungi. These things can irritate and inflame tissue and veins, cause infections in skin/muscle (granuloma, abscess). They can also result in local and systemic infection from the bacteria/fungi.

Insoluble and undissolved particles can cause microcirculation capillaries (5-10um) to become blocked, they clog up in the heart and lungs. Granulomas in the lungs are caused by inflammation which leads to scar tissue (fibrosis). Congmomerate masses lead to restrictive lung disease and pulmonary hypertension. The particles also reach other organs (liver, kidney etc).

Key particles in pills (OxyContin, MSContin, Subutex)

Other insoluble particles included are:
Magnesium stearate (5-30um)
Titanium dioxide (100um clumps) (ms, oxy)
Other particles that change form in heat are:
Stearyl alcohol MP is 59*C (ms, oxy)
Eudragit RS 30D clumps at >30*C (oxy)

All these particles cause problems in your heart, lungs and other organs, the chemicals that change form in heart are the reasons why pills should NOT be heated, and you will soon find out there is no advantage to heating.

Why pills shouldn't be heated

As you can see, of these images under a microscope, heating pill solutions cause enourmous particles to dissolve in the mix. These particles will pass through the filter (wheel or cotton) and recongeal, precipitating out in your filtered mix or veins.

Ok so I shouldn't heat, what about Rollie cigarette filter filtering (or cotton).

For comparison: MSContin rollies reduce particles >5um by 60%.

What about the drug retained?

For subutex 97% of the drug is returned in this process.
Drug is not retained in the filter after this, even if the filter is wet.
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Wheel filters (and why they rock!)
Here is the solution of two pills under a microscope before and after wheel filtering

But how many particles are removed by the wheel filters?

But what about drug recovery

For subutex drug recovery is 99%
*Note: One of the researches reminded me to say that when they first did these tests, their technique with wheel filters was poor, and that morphine recovery is more like 95-99%

So as you can see, using wheel filters removes all the particles that cause harm (basically), with a rinse of water after first filter, you can retain 95-99% of the drug (better then a cotton/rollie filter) while removing 99% of the particles that cause harm, and heating is generally a bad idea that does NOT help at all, and does more harm then good.
Note: Hand rolled cigarette filters filter to about 50um.

Another document for the national drug safety council, which focused mainly on morphine and wheel filters, also contains a lot of information. It is located here.

I also posted this in Australian drug discussion but was told to also post it here.

 

[DooMMooD]

What do you do? Tell him not to do it. If you wanna get really crazy you could snap the tips of his needles. Eat all the OPs yourself?

But a side note: you're trying to save your BFs life and hes literally giving you the finger. Theres nothing more you can do. Dump him, because if he wont listen to you trying to SAVE HIS LIFE, i doubt he'll ever listen to you about anything else.

Sounds harsh I know, but honest and truthful.

 

[savvy1203]

I am afraid that leaving will only drive him further into the problem. I thought about leaving and I packed my shit and got ready to walk out the door and he told me he would kill himself that I was the only good he had left in his life

 

[DooMMooD]

Well hes blackmailing you and holding you hostage then....also sounds like he doesn't care enough about you. If he loved you truly he'd let you go. Someone who loves someone doesn't threaten to KILL THEMSELVES to keep them from leaving...sounds like emotional/psychological abuse to me.

Time for some tough love. He'll keep bringing you down either way, and might kill himself ANYWAY, even if you stay. Nut up, leave him, and never look back. He'll say/do anything to keep you from leaving too. He'll promise to stop. He'll beg, plead, make promises, anything. But I promise you 100% that he will break them as soon as your back.

How do i know? i did these exact same things to my ex. And guess what? When my ex dumped me, i DID threaten to kill myself. She followed through. I'm still here, and she has never been happier/better. And guess what? I'm happy for her, honestly and truly.

Thats true love to me: I loved her more than anything, meaning i wanted to see her HAPPY more than anything, not with me more than anything.

It sounds like your choices are: watch him die, or leave.

You're right, it might drive him further into his problem. And I get that you love him, but it is blatantly obvious he not only doesn't love you, but sees you as something that exists for his happiness only. The "ONLY GOOD THING [HE] HAS LEFT IN HIS LIFE"....what about your life? Fuck him. I"m sure you'll find someone who actually values their life in no time at all.

Heres another point: now that youve chickened out on leaving him, he knows that your threats have NO TEETH! Meaning he can do/say anything knowing that you wont follow through with your ultimatums. Get me?

Dump his ass. Not your problem if he no longer wants to live. If hes willing to shoot that shit...despite you, with his best interests at heart, trying to stop him? Check please.

 

[burn out]

tELL HIM to get some hydromorphone or heroin if he wants to IV. They produce a rush. If he is not hooked on th eneedle (and even if he is) there is no real point in IVing oxy. Drugs that dont produce a rush are not worth the risk to IV. Why risk your life for basically nothing?