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Pledges, promises & other bullshit from the Parties...

Si Dread

Si Dread

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Don't buy anything they say, this is a close one & they'll all say damned near anything to con you out of your vote. NHS windfalls here, tax breaks there, immigration control changes... Load of old bollocks. Don't matter which main party or parties get in they'll do what fucking suits them & electoral pledges, promises & even us the electorat be damned.

When Cameron became leader of the blues he promised to legalise Cannabis for medicine if he became Prime Minister & the efficacy of medicinal cannabis could be proven. I thought the evidence pretty fucking overwhelming 10 years ago, but do we have legal cannabis for medicine in the UK five years after Cameron became PM..?

No, we do not.

Friends of mine who tried to convince me to vote tory on the basis of the article below failed, because I did not buy it!

From January 2007 -
David Cameron has supported calls for cannabis to be legalised for medical use provided that clear health benefits can be shown.

The Tory leader, who has refused to answer media questions about whether he used drugs before entering politics, ruled out a wider legalisation of cannabis for recreational use.

Answering questions on his "webcameron" website, he said: "If it can be proved that there are real benefits, medicinal benefits and scientific evidence for it, I would be relaxed about that. My decision would be to licence it if it could be proved to have benefits."

The pledge will be welcomed by campaigners who claim that cannabis can ease the symptoms of illnesses such as multiple sclerosis, but it may worry Tory traditionalists.

Mo Mowlam, the former cabinet minister who died in 2005, fought for cannabis to be made legal for medical use. Although the Home Office set up investigations into the drug's possible benefits, the impetus appears to have stalled.

Mr Cameron will launch a new Tory health policy today vowing to sweep away many of the targets Labour has imposed on the NHS.

The Tories will call for all GPs to take control of budgets, currently held by primary care trusts, and be rewarded for improving outcomes. GP fundholding was used by the Tory government before 1997, but it was scrapped by Labour.

The Tories say outcomes matter more than targets and that Labour's regime distorts priorities. Maximum waiting times set by the Government are becoming minimum waits, they argue.
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from - http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...legalisation-of-medical-marijuana-433183.html
 
Anything that comes out of a politician is a loada rubbish.

Remember how Cameron was meant to be helping the elderly n a lot more?
Instead he just created a loada negatives, cut benefits etc etc etc.

I'll be voting Labour but only because I don't want Tories in. The Zlabour leader seems a right pompous git!

Joys of politics, eh?!

ScotchMist said:
In the words of SHM

BURN IT DOWN
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hahahahahaha

Evey
 
Please vote. Women died for the right to vote. Regardless of all the shit around it, please, please just turn out and vote. I beg thee :(
 
I know my typing is wasted so I won't go on, but ......man....please <3
 
warriorOnTheEdge said:
Hope it goes well up there, we are very interested in the outcome as we're seriously considering moving to Arran or Bute before the kids get to 11.
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Aye, you'll no be to far fae me if you do - this is my land. Life IS better here if you have kids especially. Great place to be reared.<3

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A vote means nothing without complete information - this can't happen when most people get their opinions formed by a sophisticated brain-twisting media that is a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate capitalism (yes, including guardian and bbc). While there's a superficial appearance of balance, the assumptions and framing of issues is heavily ideologically biased towards certain politics and economics and away from others (eg keynesian alternatives to austerity) - this is almost unconscious on the part of the journalists - they're not told to think these things by some shadowy cabal - as chomsky said to Marr 'If you didn't think that way you wouldn't be sitting there' (though it's not surprising that they do think similarly when they largely come from the same social millieu who benefit from things like austerity).

I've heard again and again how people regurgitate the lying bollocks made up in the media as if it's their own opinions - they don't even notice the boundaries of the discourse being manipulated to make certain ideas and subjects beyond the pale or immediately incite ridicule: 'everyone knows that's rubbish!'. There's a mountain to climb to fight against this orwellian tyranny of the public mind.

The internet seems to have brought a bit more freedom back into dissemination of information in recent years, but this is fighting for space with pseudo-socialisation (fb etc), nutty conspiracy cults and funny cat videos, so it's touch and go how it'll all pan out. And also not clear what's left from the equation between extra the freedom of information and more detailed intelligence profiles of people to use/manipulate.

I know women and chartists died for the vote and all that, but i'm not accepting that it's really a democratic vote, so just going through the motions out of respect for dead people who would probably agree with me seems pointless. I'm for proper democracy - even going along with the current oligachy-friendly arrangements in some way helps to sustain the illusion that it is democracy and allows the oligarchy to continue. I'm pragmatic though, so i wouldn't want to go back to feudalism just to prove my point, and make the choice on a case by case basis.

Like Brand says, vote for something if you think they're worth it - i'm looking forward to plenty of scots voting for SNP to give labour a bit of a kicking (and maybe make the party overall less like jim murphy (ever heard of the henry jackson society which murphy's a member of (along with loads of other cunts)?))
 
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Vurtual said:
A vote means nothing without complete information - this can't happen when most people get their opinions formed by a sophisticated brain-twisting media that is a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate capitalism (yes, including guardian and bbc). While there's a superficial appearance of balance, the assumptions and framing of issues is heavily ideologically biased towards certain politics and economics and away from others (eg keynesian alternatives to austerity) - this is almost unconscious on the part of the journalists - they're not told to think these things by some shadowy cabal - as chomsky said to Marr 'If you didn't think that way you wouldn't be sitting there' (though it's not surprising that they do think similarly when they largely come from the same social millieu who benefit from things like austerity).

I've heard again and again how people regurgitate the lying bollocks made up in the media as if it's their own opinions - they don't even notice the boundaries of the discourse being manipulated to make certain ideas and subjects beyond the pale or immediately incite ridicule: 'everyone knows that's rubbish!'. There's a mountain to climb to fight against this orwellian tyranny of the public mind.

The internet seems to have brought a bit more freedom back into dissemination of information in recent years, but this is fighting for space with pseudo-socialisation (fb etc), nutty conspiracy cults and funny cat videos, so it's touch and go how it'll all pan out. And also not clear what's left from the equation between extra the freedom of information and more detailed intelligence profiles of people to use/manipulate.

I know women and chartists died for the vote and all that, but i'm not accepting that it's really a democratic vote, so just going through the motions out of respect for dead people who would probably agree with me seems pointless. I'm for proper democracy - even going along with the current oligachy-friendly arrangements in some way helps to sustain the illusion that it is democracy and allows the oligarchy to continue. I'm pragmatic though, so i wouldn't want to go back to feudalism just to prove my point, and make the choice on a case by case basis.

Like Brand says, vote for something if you think they're worth it - i'm looking forward to plenty of scots voting for SNP to give labour a bit of a kicking (and maybe make the party overall less like jim murphy (ever heard of the henry jackson society which murphy's a member of (along with loads of other cunts)?))
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Firstly, excellent post.

I was watching something on the Lord of War, Viktor Bout, yesterday on Netflix & someone made an interesting point about how the rabid media bought into the paraniod bullshit & played into the hands of the US administration & security services, post-911. The security services would make some shit up, WMD in Iraq, for instance. The media would start reporting the story after it was "leaked", & then the security services would start quoting the news articles as further evidence that their bullshit was actually true... Eventually, no-one knew what was genuine & what wasn't...

The internet has been seen by the establishment as a source of independent thought for some time & there are people I know irl who feel that the establishment is in the process of strangling it. Some people are not sure, outside of certain shadier parts of the internet, how much longer they can trust the net as a genuine conduit for the expression of free thought.

Whether the election system is perfect or not, I intend to use one of the few rights us drug users have. The right to vote! I do not expect change. But nobody listens to drug users, I'm really quite surprised how few speak up when given the chance. I think the numbers who choose not to vote are actually voting against the entire system & to some degree, I'm down with that. I'd prefer people excercised the right to vote but those who don't are voting, in a way, anyway... If I were any futher disenfranchsied from this society, I'd probably vote by not voting too. However, if you really hate this system, get in line, go into the booth & scrawl on your ballot paper "FUCK THE LOT OF YOU, I'M ON DRUGS & NO-ONE REPRESENTS ME!" & you'll have my respect for life =D
 
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Same old shit different arsehole, as my beloved father used to say, before he went away (divorced by mum)

Having said that, I've not voted before and while I agree with a lot of what Vurtual says, I still plan to vote for the first time in my life, just because why not? Trying something different I guess? It's not exactly a fucking enforcement of the system to function within it and participate in an election; although I can see why people would boycott it completely. While I think it's ultimately futile... voting for a party I agree with, perhaps, is better than not participating at all. Almost every fibre of my being thinks the system is inherently set up to keep the status quo, and give the illusion of a fair democratically elected government that represents the people. An illusion of real choice.

I don't think serious change will happen without some form of revolution/mass protesting/something!? I just thought I'd participate in the process to see what it's all about. I may well regret my decision. With my apathetic nature in all probability it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. nevertheless I'm voting green I've decided. Whether that's a wasted vote or not it's sending a message... at least that is the intention.

I don't pretend to know the intricacies of the political process, possibly to my detriment. But I come from a highly cynical family and perhaps not coincidently have adopted a lot of the same ethos. Meh... I still think there's a lot of truth in the rather blunt, crass line my dad used to spout: "Same shit, different arsehole." when ever he spoke about politicians. This election is a drop in the ocean of world events that have taken place over the past hundred or so odd years. Shaping the world and our lives, putting financial gain and material goods ahead of the welfare of actual people. Favouring the elites/rich over the majority of the population.

I agree there is a plethora of misinformation and disinformation out there, blasted from multiple fronts; which only makes reaching any paramount conclusions harder by muddying the already filthy water.

Can you tell I am disillusioned/one of the disenfranchised? lol... 8)
 
People say you should vote because people fought for us to have to right to vote. I say what about freedom in having to right to vote or not vote. I'm going to vote but if people don't wish to vote then they should not be made to feel guilty for it.

When is voting day anyway?

Evey
 
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