Heroin Please I'm new to this, trying to find answers should I free base/smoke a suboxone?

[Janalied]

Hi, my name is Janalie I need help I have been looking everywhere and can't find a legit answer to my question.

First I'll explain I'm a heroin addict have been for over a year now and its come time to quit cause we are so broke its sad. We bought suboxone 8mg tabs from a friend, we haven’t got around to taking them because the first time I did I went through the worse withdraws ever. I’m guessing it was because I smoked one hit before I took it. But I hear the blocker n….. something (I forget) was the reason. I haven’t smoked any kind of opioids since last night at 11-12 and took one about 2:30 today.

I feel better now, but my question is what will happen if I try to free base a quarter of the 8mg tab? Will I withdraw again or will I just feel even higher? I wana feel higher but I don’t ever, I mean ever want to withdraw like I did before.

Please be honest I rather not withdraw for two days straight cause I got told it won’t do anything.

 

[Mr.Hedges]

The BEST way to take suboxone is to just put it under your tongue, let it dissolve for 5-10 minutes and then swallow. You CANNOT SMOKE suboxone, that is a retarded idea. If you're really THAT desperate to be "High", you'd be better off shooting the subs than trying to smoke it. Smoking will destroy the medicine and you will end up wasting what you have. You don't need to eat a lot to get well...Only 1 or 2mgs at the time...You could take a 8mg pill and break it up into 4 or 6 or 8 piles...and it WILL keep you well for days. Since you've only been using for a year, and it sounds like you don't inject...the suboxone should so wonders for you, even in TINY little doses, it's powerful shit....but odds are...IT'S NOT GOING TO GET YOU HIGH. The point of suboxone is to keep you completely well, but NOT high. If you try to take it to get high...You will just end up right back at the beginning, either using Heroin, or with an addiction to Suboxone. Stick to eating your subs in small doses...the further you get away from the dope...the less subs you will need. You need the most the first 3-5 days, after that...take less and less every day.
And if you want to avoid the withdrawals that suboxone can cause...ALWAYS wait at least 20-24 hours after your last hit or shot of heroin or any opiate you are using. The precipitated withdrawals are the WORST because the opiates are literally being RIPPED off the receptors and replace by the Subs.
Just be careful and best of luck getting better...

 

[Miss Kirsty]

The BEST way to take suboxone is to just put it under your tongue, let it dissolve for 5-10 minutes and then swallow. You CANNOT SMOKE suboxone, that is a retarded idea. If you're really THAT desperate to be "High", you'd be better off shooting the subs than trying to smoke it. Smoking will destroy the medicine and you will end up wasting what you have. You don't need to eat a lot to get well...Only 1 or 2mgs at the time...You could take a 8mg pill and break it up into 4 or 6 or 8 piles...and it WILL keep you well for days. Since you've only been using for a year, and it sounds like you don't inject...the suboxone should so wonders for you, even in TINY little doses, it's powerful shit....but odds are...IT'S NOT GOING TO GET YOU HIGH. The point of suboxone is to keep you completely well, but NOT high. If you try to take it to get high...You will just end up right back at the beginning, either using Heroin, or with an addiction to Suboxone. Stick to eating your subs in small doses...the further you get away from the dope...the less subs you will need. You need the most the first 3-5 days, after that...take less and less every day.
And if you want to avoid the withdrawals that suboxone can cause...ALWAYS wait at least 20-24 hours after your last hit or shot of heroin or any opiate you are using. The precipitated withdrawals are the WORST because the opiates are literally being RIPPED off the receptors and replace by the Subs.
Just be careful and best of luck getting better...

Totally agree Mr Hedges...

 

[ColombianDopeHead]

Don't fuckin smoke suboxone its detrimental to your health , a waste of the pill , just a retarded idea. Take it sublingually as it was intended. I can guess the reason why you got so sick the first time you took your suboxone. You must have taken the suboxone too early and went into what is called precipitated withdrawal. You MUST wait until you are in withdrawal from the heroin or you will go into precipitated withdrawal again. I myself went into precipitated withdrawal once and it was the worst experience of my life. It is so much worse then regular withdrawal.

Again you MUST wait until you are withdrawing from the heroin to dose the suboxone.

And please don't smoke the suboxone , it is really not good for you and is wasting the drug. Take it as intended , sublingually. ( Under the tounge )

Edit: Re read the post , saw you dosed properly on the suboxone and feel better now. Don't smoke the suboxone still. Its really not good for you and is just wasting the drug and will not get you high. Just take it as intended it is not meant to get you high.

 

[BuddingPharmacist]

Don't smoke it. I really think your best option right now is to place it under the tongue a little bit a a time, using precisely enough to do the following: take care of the cravings, guard against worsening the withdrawals, and to help find the "sweet spot" where you feel normal.

Any other route of use is either useless or will be harder to detect and stop precipitated withdrawals if it happens.

Suboxone doesn't get you high, and it kills the withdrawals and cravings when used at the right time. Wait until you see signs of withdrawal from your heroin, an then take some little by little, watching very carefully for precipitated withdrawals. If it doesn't make the withdrawals worse, keep using 2 or 3 mg every 30 minutes until you feel ok, and then stop. Using more is a waste and will do nothing.

Also, using your heroin before using the suboxone is what caused the precipitated withdrawals. Suboxone will cause withdrawals if there is heroin in your body because the suboxone yanks the heroin out of your brain way too fast, which causes your brain and body to freak out and go ino withdrawal. If you wait until you are in slight/moderate withdrawal, the suboxone will not cause this problem because the heroin isn't there to get pulled out. Instead, it will gently enter your brain and help you feel normal and stop the hellish ride of opiate addiction for you, allowing you to regain control.

Take courage, friend. I know your situation. It will save you from the hell of addiction.

One thing you must do is find a doctor to prescribe you these and help you. You said money is tight and I also understand this too, but regaining your life and becoming healthier is worth the price, isn't it? Do it for your future, your brain, your finances, (it will ultimately be much cheape than heroin), your friends, your family, and everything else you love.

Also, 80% of opiate addicts have some kind of severity of ADD/ADHD. Find that doctor, and inquire about medication like adderall. Low to moderate doses of adderall absolutely kill the cravings and even withdrawals for opiates, but only if you use a low to moderate dose. Higher doses will wreck you and won't help, because your brain was already user siege and healing from the heroin.

Get out there and kick it's ass. Show it that you are the master, and take back your life!

 

[rave23]

instead of calling your idea retarded, and then going on about what i think is better, i am going to explain to you why what you had in mind is a bad idea.

This has nothing to do with my preference over administering a drug one way or another.
Suboxone can NOT BE SMOKED. It has an extremely high bio-availability when taken orally. So by burning the active ingredient, you aren't going to catch more than a few noxious fumes.

Subs should be taken as directed, and they server NO purpose in getting high. The only people that can experience a high from Suboxone are people who are not physically dependant on a full opioid agonist, and have zero tolerance. Since you are accustomed to heroin, subs will do NOTHING for you, except catch you and prevent you from going into full blown dope withdrawals (if dosed at the right time).

Dont snort it, don't sniff it, don't shoot it. Just take it orally, when you are 2 - 8 hours into full blown withdrawals. It should take down their intensity a bit, but it won't make them magically go away. It's your best shot at quitting, aside from cold turkey or a slow painful taper.

 

[Trigeminal]

The BEST way to take suboxone is to just put it under your tongue, let it dissolve for 5-10 minutes and then swallow. You CANNOT SMOKE suboxone, that is a retarded idea. If you're really THAT desperate to be "High", you'd be better off shooting the subs than trying to smoke it. Smoking will destroy the medicine and you will end up wasting what you have. You don't need to eat a lot to get well...Only 1 or 2mgs at the time...You could take a 8mg pill and break it up into 4 or 6 or 8 piles...and it WILL keep you well for days. Since you've only been using for a year, and it sounds like you don't inject...the suboxone should so wonders for you, even in TINY little doses, it's powerful shit....but odds are...IT'S NOT GOING TO GET YOU HIGH. The point of suboxone is to keep you completely well, but NOT high. If you try to take it to get high...You will just end up right back at the beginning, either using Heroin, or with an addiction to Suboxone. Stick to eating your subs in small doses...the further you get away from the dope...the less subs you will need. You need the most the first 3-5 days, after that...take less and less every day.
And if you want to avoid the withdrawals that suboxone can cause...ALWAYS wait at least 20-24 hours after your last hit or shot of heroin or any opiate you are using. The precipitated withdrawals are the WORST because the opiates are literally being RIPPED off the receptors and replace by the Subs.
Just be careful and best of luck getting better...

A molecule can't be RIPPED off of a receptor. It's just breaking a non-covalent bond.

Dont snort it, don't sniff it, don't shoot it. Just take it orally, when you are 2 - 8 hours into full blown withdrawals. It should take down their intensity a bit, but it won't make them magically go away. It's your best shot at quitting, aside from cold turkey or a slow painful taper.

You don't want to take Suboxone orally. It undergoes first pass metabolism in the liver if you eat it. You want to take it sublingually. Also, snorting it isn't a bad idea if you want it to be a little stronger, the BA is higher intranasally than via sublingual administration.

 

[BuddingPharmacist]

Why are people telling this person to EAT the suboxone?

They work best placed under the tongue to dissolve until gone. Eating them has awful bioavailability, while absorption through under the tongue is much better and faster.

Let's work to be more clear to help this person. The thread starter is trying to get off the evils of heroin, and this first step to becoming healthy, happy, and balanced is critical. We should all support and rally, not bicker or toss out information that wouldn't help as much.

 

[ColombianDopeHead]

instead of calling your idea retarded, and then going on about what i think is better, i am going to explain to you why what you had in mind is a bad idea.

Look , smoking suboxone is retarded. Maybe retarded is not the best choice of a word , but I think it is understood that it is not a good idea . It is a waste of the drug and harmful to your health. Suboxone is best taken sublingually. And as for going on about what I think is better , not true , everything I stated was fact. Everything I stated was true. So , please don't try that subliminal bullshit any more.

 

[Tommyboy]

This has nothing to do with my preference over administering a drug one way or another.
Suboxone can NOT BE SMOKED. It has an extremely high bio-availability when taken orally. So by burning the active ingredient, you aren't going to catch more than a few noxious fumes.

It has an o.k. sublingual BA of ~45% but I wouldn't call that excellent. The oral is even lower than that, but I think you meant sublingual. That's still likely higher than the smoking BA, plus, the sublingual BA will allow for it to last longer, which is kind of the whole point of suboxone.

Another reason for not smoking Suboxone (or any pills for that matter) is that the amount of active ingredient in each pill is so small, that you have to breathe in fumes that are 98% inactive in order to get that 2% active. At least with the heroin you can be breathing in 60% heroin if that's what it's purity is, but with suboxone it is such a small percentage of bupenorphine in the entire pill.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

NOT worth it, please stick to other well established ROA's.

 

[Janalied]

Thank you everyone you have been a great help

 

[Oxide]

Answered and closed.