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Tryinghard33

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I am trying my best to get off the h and induce subs. The first time I tried I waited only 12 hours from last use and took 8mg subs and went into full blown horrific PW. The last time I waited over 26 hours and was beyond a 26 on the c.o.w.s. scale and I took 2 mg waited 30 minutes took 2 more mgs waited 40 more minutes took 2 more mgs and so forth until I hit 16 mgs of sub. At this point I stopped puking and shitting myself but was still very high on the cows scale on every other aspect, horrible sweats aches and pains, rls, anxiety and everything else. I thought that waiting over 24 hours, btw my doc is h..... If you hadn't caught on yet. I want very badly to get off of this roller coaster and get my life back. I was clean for almost 4 years and slipped and now I feel like I'm right back where I started the first time. Please help me understand why the sub didn't work when 4mg is the ceiling as far as a therapeutic dose
 
Hi Tryinghard 33,

Welcome to Bluelight ! !

Congrats on making a choice to get off the h as well as having 4 years. I did last year and am so grateful! No time is lost, I had 8 years once and it still holds as being clean and in remission during that time. Do you mind if I move your post to BBD or Other Drugs? Check out the Recovery area below as well, there are others tapering or that have switched over to subs.

Here is the The Opioid Withdrawal Megathread and FAQ as well as the Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread v. 19. Please don't hesitate to ask me any question about the site. :)
 
Please post to anyone or anything that will help at all. I'm still trying to induce these subs but every time I do it doesn't help me the same way it did the first time I used subs to get off h 6 years ago. I don't know what to do and I keep having to run back to the same crap I'm trying to get away from because the wd is killing me. Please help if possible. Where is swim
 
I've moved your thread to Sober Living as I feel you will find the most support here about withdrawal and moving onto Suboxone.
 
Tkank you or the help. I have just successfully induced suboxone without causing pw and I do feel a little better than I should. But I've still got the shakes, sweats and moderate rls. Why is it that the first time I ever took subs over 8 years ago, why did I feel perfect then and now I still fell sick, albeit a little better
 
And I keep hearing that 4 mg is a therapeutic dose and that anything over that isn't being absorbed into your mu receptors and making you feel better anyway, but if that is the case why do you start at 2-4mg and dose 2 more mg every 30-40 minutes until you feel better
 
Do you have pills or film? How did you take it? I hate the films they do jack shyt for me.

Try and get suboxone pills, subutex pills, zubsolv pills and sniff em. Thatll be much different and hopefully help.

How much H were u using? If u have the films how long u keep it in your mouth.

For me the film (if it does anything) takes 1 hour for me to feel any better and 2 hours until ill feel the best n thats it

Just wanted to write to you i know it sucks
 
How much heroin where you doing? When I was really bad on smack it would take 3 days for the subs to start working right. Like the first day on them I would feel 50 percent of normal withdrawal the first day 25 percent the second then normal the third. The hard part of course is not using when I felt like shit. I don't know where you heard that 4mg is a ceiling dose but its not true. The ceiling dose for sub is somewhere between 30-36mg a day depending on science lol. Hope your feeling better OP.
 
Thank you for the helpful info. I just took 4 more mg's sublingually and they are the films. I was on suboxone for almost 2 years when I first started on it over 6 years ago and it worked perfectly then. The dr I was seeing gave me 32 mg over a 4 hour period my first day on the subs so I guess that's why 16 mg didn't work today and I've had to take another 4 just now. And as far as my habit, that was at least 1g per day but we're talking straight. Not cut shit. So I guess that makes it a little harder. I used the h iv many years ago and back ten before I got on the subs the first time I was going to Overton, Mia every day so that was definitely cut and I'm assuming that's part of the reason I'm top of the fact that I took half the dose I originally took the first day of sub induction. I'm also doing this at home style without a dr because I can't afford it and don't have any insurance so I only have a limited amount to work with. This has to work. I'm literally 4 days from Christmas and I will go through hell before I spend what little I have left on my arm instead of my daughter. Any info would be kindly appreciated
 
Once you feel normal you can cut your dose back to around 8mg so it will last longer. You just had a bit of a rough ride getting on it will work though don't worry about that. I hope you and your daughter have a beautiful Christmas.
 
Thank you Crimson and nygiants for the responses and help. I'm now over 50 hours from last use and starting to balance out a little better. I can actually get out of bed for a few minutes!!! I still can't eat anything but I'm well on my way. I've inly got 28 mgs of sub films left so hopefully that will get me through my wd's
 
One more thing that effects the efficacy of bupe is how many times you were on then off. Basically, if you start taking it, stabalize then stop taking and do opiates. You will have a harder time getting the subs to work for you. It gets harder each time, and the time between your last dose of full agonist and when you won't get PW from the bupe will be longer.

I did the whole jumping back and forth thing till they just completely stopped working for me. Like all they would do is take the edge off and I had to wait a full three days of withdrawal...and at that point you might as well just finish the cold turkey.
 
I also wanted to add that with the films holding it under your tongue and not swallowing at all for as long as you can stand will greatly help absorption. Any bupe you swallow is pretty much wasted and it takes some time for it to be absorbed in your mouth.
 
If you wash your mouth out with listerine or some kind of ethanol based mouthwash the strips dissolve very, very quickly and like butter on a hot pan. Using an ethanol solution like that significantly raises how much buprenorphine your mucus membrane seems to be able to absorb. When I was taking them the difference in using listerine is absolutely night and day, it also takes about a quarter of the time to dissolve, if not less.
 
Thank you for your helpful info. I'm Finally on my third day and I feel not only normal but a little
Too high. I'm not trying to get high I'm just trying to get off dope. I'm not taking anything today because I woke up stoned. Thank you for all the help. I'm sorry for complaining but the wd's are hard to deal with, as everyone knows. If anyone needs any help please just ask. I will help anyone I can to get off the street drugs
 
Don't dose today. Then try taking 2mg tommorow and see if your comfortable. It's not hard to drop your sub dose quickly once your stabilized.
 
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