please help me roll safely - testing kits and tachycardia/anxiety with molly/MDMA

[glittergal7]

Hi all,

I have some concerns about MDMA. So here's a little about my background, I did E pills ~7 times several years back. The first ~6 times were awesome but the last time me and my friends had bad highs. I won't go into details but basically I felt as though I had a near death experience (the pills must have been adulterated with something nasty and then I drank too much water and became hyponatremic which exacerbated everything). I stopped doing MDMA after this point. Since then I really haven't done much except drink socially.

Recently I found a friend who is into the edm scene and we want to go to some shows together. She likes to drop molly (pure MDMA in capsules) for these events. I trust her a lot and she said she has always had a good experience. She is aware of my last experience with E and very considerate. Anyways, Fri night we were going to a rave so I asked her to get me a molly. We dropped at the same time 1 each while on the train at 930pm. Immediately I became very very nervous. I started panicking about what I just did and freaking out about what would happen to me. My friends were trying to get me to relax. Around 10pm I started feeling something. I kinda felt fuzzy. We were waiting for friends to get off another train and meet us. I start listening to music and im okay. I start getting hot so we go up to street level and Im ok. At this point I feel VERY similar to how I felt on E. (i want to dance, my skin is sensitive to touch, my "girly parts" are tingling). Sporadically I get ~15 minute intervals where I become withdrawn and close my eyes and don't really move, have a hard time vocalizing myself, and am totally zoned out in intense emotion and have closed eye visuals. I am not as nervous but still a little nervous because my feelings were VERY intense at this time - felt as though I was "peaking" already but I knew it hadn't been long enough since I dropped. We find our friends and are waiting for the subway at around 10:30. At this point I am nauseated, my stomach hurts, I am very hot, and irritable. I'm cranky we aren't at the show yet and on a hot subway platform with a subway train that is taking forever to get there. My friend is dry heaving. (We ate french fries at 7:30pm). Once off the subway and outside, we feel better and those intense feelings that I used to have when dropping E pills are gone. It's like 11pm now and I feel light and airy, very happy, euphoric, I want to talk to everybody and get to know people, telling my friends how much I love them. We walk to our location and I am happy and joyful and excited, not nervous at all anymore. I stay like this for a couple more hours then come down slowly. By the end of the show at 4am I am irritable and cranky and depressed about our long journey home. My whole body hurts (jaw, head, legs, feet, back) and I finally have the strong urge to pee for the first time all night.

So I have some questions.. I'm sorry this is so long.

1. I am having a hard time describing the effects of what I took in words but in my opinion, I believe our capsules had MDMA in them along with something else that came on quickly and wore off quickly. I say this because from 10pm (30 min after dropping) till 11pm I felt "speedy" and very hot and I was "rolling" really really hard. This was literally IDENTICAL to what I used to experience on E pills except on E pills, this lasted for several hours. But then this wore off quickly and what was left was the wonderful euphoria happy chill feeling that I recognize as MDMA (which lasted quite a few hours). Does this sound right? I am assuming that just pure MDMA will leave you with that chill, happy, carefree and empathetic feeling only for 4-6 hours but by itself, MDMA doesnt actually make you feel speedy and or give those intense rolling periods? I can't seem to tell if this was just how MDMA comes on, if there was another substance in our "molly" or if my anxiety provoked these things.

2. i am well aware I have an anxiety condition. i take xanax prescribed for me because I am a nervous wreck. I know that in the beginning when I first dropped on the train, I was very very nervous. I think next time I won't be as nervous because I will remember that my first "molly" experience was not bad and quite enjoyable. But what else can I do to help calm my nerves? I can bring my xanax with me just in case thinking if I get extremely anxious, that way I can take my xanax and be fine. (My pills are only 0.25mg so I can take 1-2 and it will probably weaken the roll but I like to think that it will help my anxiety?) Would it be bad if I took a xanax (only 0.25mg) like 2 hours prior to dropping? Just to calm my nerves a bit.

3. I think something that may help with my anxiety and help me roll safely is if I can test our pills beforehand for adulterants. Where can I find tips/instructions on testing? I saw some kits on the EZ kits website, which one is best to purchase? The instructions look pretty self explanatory. I feel like getting the tri all kit so that way I can test our molly for EVERYTHING to make sure it's just MDMA. Ideally, I am looking for just pure MDMA capsules or capsules with mostly MDMA and minimal other compounds that won't be harmful. (For example, caffeine being in the mix doesn't bother me. I just don't want capsules that have something dangerous or too powerful.) Are there any other sites that offer better testing kits? I would need it shipped into the USA. Also, how much do you need to do the testing. Like how many extra capsules should I buy to do a comprehensive test?

4. I have an overactive thyroid condition that comes and goes. It's noticeable sometimes by a marked increase in my heart rate. My anxiety also causes my heart rate to go up. My baseline (not anxious and resting) is usually ~90-100 bpm. Sometimes I can be 100-110 when just resting. I have metoprolol (beta blocker) prescribed to me for this tachycardia. I always take it when I am very very anxious and my heart rate goes up and when I do physically demanding things. (I used to take it everyday but now I take it on an as needed basis which is only like once every week or so). For example, if I go mountain biking, I will take 1-2 tabs beforehand (they are extended release). I did NOT take metoprolol the day I dropped molly. While I was at the show and feeling really good, my boyfriend checked my heart rate with a portable pulse oximeter I have and my heart rate was 165 bpm (WHOA). I was standing still at this point and felt perfectly fine. I didn't have my metoprolol with me so I just made sure to relax after dancing for awhile and I drank water slowly over the night and stay cool. (Over 6 hours I drank about 2.5 to 3 poland spring water bottles, which seemed perfect) By the time I started coming down my heart rate was in the 120s and by the time we were leaving and I had come down already my heart rate was 80. I think its safe to say that whatever was in our capsules (MDMA or whatever else) jacked up my heart rate big time. Would it be okay for me to take metoprolol next time prior to dropping? Also, I suppose I should remember to bring metoprolol with me to my next show .

Sorry for this being so long and thank you to anyone who can help me out!! I already bought a supplement off of raveready.com for pre and post loading which contains vit c, e, 5HTP, and magnesium.

as a side note, the "molly capsules" are from the NYC/suburban NJ area

 

[Mr.MDxx]

Hell, and welcome to bluelight!


First off to answer your questions about test kits

I personally use EZTtest because Dancesafe does not ship to Canada anymore. But for you I would recommend Dancesafe for two reasons, you will get it in your mailbox much quicker than EZtest could because they ship from in the US, and the second reason is that Dancesafe has a much cheaper per test cost. You could go all out with the Complete Adulterant Screening Test, but I find the Marquis test to be just fine. Lastly you don't need very much product to do a test properly watch the video attached if you're not to sure how much to use!

Here is a short video on how to test with Dancesafe's kits:




Secondly,

I say this because from 10pm (30 min after dropping) till 11pm I felt "speedy" and very hot and I was "rolling" really really hard. This was literally IDENTICAL to what I used to experience on E pills except on E pills, this lasted for several hours. But then this wore off quickly and what was left was the wonderful euphoria happy chill feeling that I recognize as MDMA (which lasted quite a few hours). Does this sound right?

No one can tell you what you took, it more than possible that there was an adulterant in there but no one on this forum can confirm this.


MDMA and xanax is an interesting topic. It is known to change the overall high and is also known to hinder the effects meaning that you would have to dose higher.

Here is a ton of information on it!

Xanax increases GABA in the brain, which suppresses glutamate.
Glutamate is the brain's primary excitatory neurotransmitter and is involved in cellular toxicity if levels get high enough.
It literally destroys connects between neurons or neurons themselves.

Since our understanding of the brain is only beginning, it is possible that such a process is a tool used by the brain for a beneficial purpose.
Like re-wiring damaged circuits or limiting the activity of certain brain regions.
This may be important to the glutamate theory of schizophrenia.

But when drugs cause toxicity, glutamate is probably NOT serving any positive role.
And with MDMA, glutamate may be part of the toxic cascade that leads to serotonin axotomy.
I believe that in MDMA users that go on to develop anxiety problems, glutamate and cortisol both remain high for MONTHS.
And continue to cause cell death for some time.
And perhaps some of this is necessary for 'recovery'.

Especially since glutamate kills hypothalamus neurons, which is the relay station for serotonin nerves extending towards the frontal lobes!
Some research suggests that after glutamate-induced cell death, some hypothalamic neurons can regrow.
This is unique, because only a few regions of the brain are known to experience STEM cell proliferation and neuron growth.
After injury, some parts of the brain are actually capable of this.
Exciting stuff.

But during MDMA use, glutamate may contribute to hypothalmic damage.
Even if it doesn't, the hypothalamus is the site of MDMAs euphoric effects and eventual damage.
The hypothalamus causes the endocrine system to release the powerful prolactin/oxytocin combo that combine with dopamine to produce the incredible effects of the drug. This is AFTER the hypothalamus tells the adrenals to release MASSIVE waves of cortisol which lower brain serotonin!
And during abstinence, esp. with high or repeated doses of MDMA, the hypothalamus is seen to be hyper-innervated by serotonin...leaving the frontal lobes and PFC with sub-standard density.

Damn.

So, YES - taking xanax and MDMA together probably offers real neuroprotection.
Those experiencing acute reactions like Serotonin Syndrome are normally given a benzo in the ER.
It prevents skeletal muscle destruction, hyperthermia, and stroke!

This endorsement does not mean that the primary neurotoxic effects of MDMA can be blocked by benzos.
It is notable that many people go home from the ER and continue to experience the 're-wiring' of the brain, despite administration which prevents catastrophic consequences. The degeneration of serotonin neurons happens due to nasty metabolites of MDMA and dopamine.

But glutamate may increase the presence of these nasty metabolites.
And as a secondary toxicity it can kill neurons all on its own.
So benzos + MDMA is one combo that I approve.

Still gonna say my standard warning - NO redosing on MDMA.
Or you will only have more of this to come back to...

Source: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/603091-xanax-and-mdma


As for your use of Metoprolol,

REALLY IMPORTANT: if you DO decide to drop, do NOT discontinue your metoprolol, your beta adrenergic receptors become highly sensitized after a while and if you stop taking metoprolol and drop you would be putting your heart in a lot of danger. so if you do decide to drop, make sure to take your metoprolol as well, and try not to go over 2-3 pills in a night!

Source: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/504111-High-blood-pressure-beta-blockers-and-MDMA

Read through that thread, it appears that you should be fine but I would double check if I were you!


Hope this helps! Happy and safe rolling. PLUR

 

[glittergal7]

Hell, and welcome to bluelight!


First off to answer your questions about test kits

I personally use EZTtest because Dancesafe does not ship to Canada anymore. But for you I would recommend Dancesafe for two reasons, you will get it in your mailbox much quicker than EZtest could because they ship from in the US, and the second reason is that Dancesafe has a much cheaper per test cost. You could go all out with the Complete Adulterant Screening Test, but I find the Marquis test to be just fine. Lastly you don't need very much product to do a test properly watch the video attached if you're not to sure how much to use!

Here is a short video on how to test with Dancesafe's kits:




Secondly,



No one can tell you what you took, it more than possible that there was an adulterant in there but no one on this forum can confirm this.


MDMA and xanax is an interesting topic. It is known to change the overall high and is also known to hinder the effects meaning that you would have to dose higher.

Here is a ton of information on it!



Source: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/603091-xanax-and-mdma


As for your use of Metoprolol,



Source: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/504111-High-blood-pressure-beta-blockers-and-MDMA

Read through that thread, it appears that you should be fine but I would double check if I were you!


Hope this helps! Happy and safe rolling. PLUR

Thank you so much for your help!! Next time I will take my metoprolol beforehand and also maybe take one xanax at that time also. I would rather have a weaker roll than be completely anxious and ruin it.

I purchased the sample kit from ez kit to see how that works but I think I will also buy from dance safe also.. because I will be using for my friends as well and EZ kit doesn't seem to allow a lot of usage with their tests. How long is the kit from dance safe good for? Should I store it in the fridge? Also, what kind of surface should I use to do the testing?

I am just concerned about dance safe's tests because they can determine a presence of MDMA and rule out DXM, 2CT-7, meth, MDA and opiates. But I was reading theDEAorg.com "what might be in a pill" and they also mention other substances that are used to cut MDMA- methylone, ketamine, caffeine, ephedrine, 5-MeO-DIPT/piperazines, and PMA.

EZ test has Mandelin reagent for ketamine and they also mention a test for bath salts (mephedrone, methylone, MDPV). Their cocaine cuts test claims it can determine ephedrine, phenacetine, and levamisole and a test for McPP and other phenylpiperazines. So this seems to be very comprehensive. I can't figure out a way to test for PMA but apparently its presence is rare. I will have to do more research on that.

Thanks again, PLUR

 

[Mr.MDxx]

Thank you so much for your help!!

No worries, glad I could shed some light on your situation.

I purchased the sample kit from ez kit to see how that works but I think I will also buy from dance safe also.. because I will be using for my friends as well and EZ kit doesn't seem to allow a lot of usage with their tests. How long is the kit from dance safe good for? Should I store it in the fridge? Also, what kind of surface should I use to do the testing?

I am just concerned about dance safe's tests because they can determine a presence of MDMA and rule out DXM, 2CT-7, meth, MDA and opiates. But I was reading theDEAorg.com "what might be in a pill" and they also mention other substances that are used to cut MDMA- methylone, ketamine, caffeine, ephedrine, 5-MeO-DIPT/piperazines, and PMA.

Yeah EZTest sure is squeezing as much money out of people as they can.

Dancesafe does test for MDPV, methylone, and butylone. Caffeine is the least of your worries but if you really don't want that you could preform a acetone wash (here). The acetone wash will rid your MDMA of any binders, fillers, dyes, etc.

Dancesafe does offer a complete screening kit (here). Doesn't look like it does Ketamine, but in reality I've never really heard of any powers or pills in my area being cut with ketamine.

As for Pipes and PMA, I can't really touch on that. I've read on bluelight somewhere that PMA and PMMA has a kind of fishy smell to it? Not sure if that's true at all so don't take that as fact. And I'm not to sure on Pipes... Someone else might be able to bring you up to speed on that!

Happy and safe rolling, PLUR!