Bupe please help..bupe info needed

[Shrunk]

Hey guys..I really need some help here concerning my dilemma with buprenorphine arrow 8mg...I've been using heroin for the past 3 months nonstop when I decided I wanna quit using bup..I started off with using one 8mg a day and then half over a week course..I did relapse with two lines in the middle of the week but continued taking bup..today I'm on half a pill which is let's say 4mg..I just got a phone call I've been waiting fr some time about a job and got accepted..so am really worried..I still have a pill na half...n its not easy getting it to be honest where I live...so am wondering..if I taper down on half a pill a day for the next 3 days...what's gonna happen when I quit it?? I'm feeling great on half a pill but am worried on the withdrawl symptoms..I can't start my job knowing am dependant on it...so I have to quit it I have no other choice...guys please give me a brief on the symptoms when I try quitting it after 3 days...much thanks to everybody who helps n much love n strength to everybody fighting addiction..

Anyone out there??? Please some help

 

[VirginMary]

Bupe is no joke! I have been on it for 2 years now with no hope of getting off of it. I was a heroin user and thought that it was the answer. I was wrong.... It is almost as hard gettin off of it as if was the heroin itself. I do, however only take a half a day at this point. But, that's the lowest I can handle to even get out of bed in the morning. After getting through the morning, I am ok, which is a huge step for me personally. Anyway, I know this doesn't help in your endeavor, but this is my journey. I hope you can find the answer, I've been trying for some time now. Good luck!!

 

[Shrunk]

I've been having that great fear as well of tapering..I've been a heroin user on and off for 16 years of my life..n that's the first time I actually find a medication as the miracle legal drug..I actually know what ur talking about not being able to wake up without taking ur half..but have u tried tapering down maybe like taking a quarter ?? Or its just hard knowing u can feel better taking more? I'm just wondering if someone hasn't been taking it for a long time is it as hard? And hey thanks a lot good luck to you too..I know what ur going through but I guess being hooked on bup is much better than having to deal with heroin tolerance n dealers n scoring n all that fuss that is just dead exhausting..

 

[VirginMary]

Amen to that! Heroin is something I'm glad I experienced but only for the purpose of being able to educate ppl, mostly my kiddos. Otherwise, I wish i never touched the stuff. Bupe is part phyiscal and part mental I think. To me, it's hard because, like heroin, you always know you have something to fall back on. That being, bupe. As with bupe, my mental self is like, "what's next?" So I think that plays a huge role in what my problem is. What sucks is, I know it's happening, I just can't fix it. Physically, I can't stand it! I've tried taking a quarter, but i feel that it's just not enough, when in reality, it is. I just can't phathom not taking something to kick start my day. Sad, but true.

I do think that it doesn't matter what I take, I'm an addict, and I'm gonna want to take something rather it be bupe or some other, ANYTHING lol I'm saying this because, I read the part that you wrote about not being on it as long, and I think it's really bout you and if you have an addictive personality and other factors as far as being an addict. I know in the morning if I have that or heroin, or even any kind of opiate I'm going to be ok. Point is, to me, they're all just as hard to come off of and if you really want to be done, cold turkey would be the way to go or, like I did, mental hospital, act crazy as hell, get doped up with halidol, sleep for 3 days, wake up feeling rested. I'm kidding I don't recommend that at all.... Or do I?

 

[Shrunk]

Problem is with shitty opiates...I just wish I never learnt that word in my life..how lucky sober people who just don't know the sufferig of opiates..and I know pretty much what u mean by falling back on to it..it is indeed a magical recovery pill but after really learning much about it and being in the middle of it it sure az hell feels like am doing heroin in a legal safe way...what am just so scared of is how on earth am I gonna wake up knowing I've got nothing pulling me out of that urge of feeling the warmth, the security it gives you..ukh just thinking about it makes me feel stupid using bup..but then again it just less severe on the withdrawls n the problems ot generates with ur surrounding...I'm hoping a quarter would kick me out to start my day tomorrow as a test n maybe I could simply quit it in 3 days then start a tiring job for 12 hours a day which is a good way to spend ur time away from free time which is always thw reason for relapsing...anyhow what could possibly be the solution in ur opinion to ur case? I simply would never quit it for thw rest of my life if I had the means to do it..but where I live getting bup is like a thousand times harder than scoring n takes plenty f paper work just to get a box of 7 pills..it just aint a good deal..ukh fuck Its killing my mind..

Hehe...I would definitly go for that mental hospital if I didn't have to try my best hiding it from mu family that suffered seeing me behind bars for 5 years straight cuz of drug dealing...yes I do have an addictive personality prettu much...I was clean for 5 years on jail...n 6 months cleab after that..but then I just couldn't breathe anymore
..I needed opiates..I need drugs..anything..and eventually to heroin which lead me to this now...so frankly I'm pulling out my best magic trick by maybe being able to quit by working for full hours..it is a good way of running away from thinking of drugs n getting high..I mean don't u agree??

 

[VirginMary]

Man, working for me has helped a thousand percent!! When I say I take half now, that's a huge deal seeing as how I started at 3 a day. Working is the only way I have found that has had any impact at all. No to say, sometimes I don't come home and wanna take a load off and drop a pill. But, normally I'm so tired I shower then pass out without that thought coming back.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

~~> ODi

 

[srs1980]

Hey guys..I really need some help here concerning my dilemma with buprenorphine arrow 8mg...I've been using heroin for the past 3 months nonstop when I decided I wanna quit using bup..I started off with using one 8mg a day and then half over a week course..I did relapse with two lines in the middle of the week but continued taking bup..today I'm on half a pill which is let's say 4mg..I just got a phone call I've been waiting fr some time about a job and got accepted..so am really worried..I still have a pill na half...n its not easy getting it to be honest where I live...so am wondering..if I taper down on half a pill a day for the next 3 days...what's gonna happen when I quit it?? I'm feeling great on half a pill but am worried on the withdrawl symptoms..I can't start my job knowing am dependant on it...so I have to quit it I have no other choice...guys please give me a brief on the symptoms when I try quitting it after 3 days...much thanks to everybody who helps n much love n strength to everybody fighting addiction..

you really don't have enough sub to taper from.......im sad to say u will go thru w/d's my friend and I don't care what anyone says sub w/d's are not fun at all. ive come off other drugs that were worse, oxymorphone, herion, oc's, and even benzos. the sub w/d suxs and its not as harsh but for me it last a lil longer im guessing due to the longer half life or sommin but it seem like it took me forever to get over suboxone w/d. while the others were shorter in intensity the bupe took longer to shake for me. good luck bro but u need a little more bupe to ween off from in my opinion.

 

[bluephoenix]

Your best best is to switch to loperamide if you have to be well enough to work. Take enough to feel well. It takes a few hours to kick in. Then quickly taper down to 8mg or less a day. Jumping off from that point if fairly easy. That is how I got clean last time and it was pretty painless.

 

[BlueHues]

Hey guys..I really need some help here concerning my dilemma with buprenorphine arrow 8mg...I've been using heroin for the past 3 months nonstop when I decided I wanna quit using bup..I started off with using one 8mg a day and then half over a week course..I did relapse with two lines in the middle of the week but continued taking bup..today I'm on half a pill which is let's say 4mg..I just got a phone call I've been waiting fr some time about a job and got accepted..so am really worried..I still have a pill na half...n its not easy getting it to be honest where I live...so am wondering..if I taper down on half a pill a day for the next 3 days...what's gonna happen when I quit it?? I'm feeling great on half a pill but am worried on the withdrawl symptoms..I can't start my job knowing am dependant on it...so I have to quit it I have no other choice...guys please give me a brief on the symptoms when I try quitting it after 3 days...much thanks to everybody who helps n much love n strength to everybody fighting addiction..

To be 100% honest with you, you're looking at 3-4 weeks of mild-moderate withdrawal symptoms that come and go, characterized mainly by fatigue and "feeling weak"...It's very difficult to perform and function at high level while going through it...I've had friends who worked through a suboxone taper and jump, but it takes some major determination and strength to pull off!

If putting your life on hold isn't an option, I'd do everything I could to get more suboxone or another maintenance opioid, and plan a taper so that you have a few weeks free when you stop completely...You honestly would have been better off either going to a week long detox, or kicking yourself with clonidine, benzos and some of the other classic detox meds...

As far as Kratom and loperamide go, I have no personal exprience using them, but many people on BL have used them with success...The problem is, once you discontinue those, you'll still have to go through some discomfort for awhile...

If this is your first opiate habit, and your first time with suboxone, it may be tolerable for you...It's hard to say...

Check out the OD directory in my signature for information about suboxone, kratom and loperamide to get a better idea of what you're looking at...

Again, it may not be that bad...Suboxone can be a Godsend, but it comes with a price like every other opiate...

I wish you the best, and hope you can find a way to get through this and get what you need for however you decide to approach the issue..

 

[sarajenni88]

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Your best best is to switch to loperamide if you have to be well enough to work. Take enough to feel well. It takes a few hours to kick in. Then quickly taper down to 8mg or less a day. Jumping off from that point if fairly easy. That is how I got clean last time and it was pretty painless.

I agree with this. I've just started using lope (immodium) to help me taper off pain meds. Taper ur remaining bupe the best u can. Try going down by 1mg every day. I know its a fast taper but u haven't been on it long. If u can acquire more bupe do a slower taper...dropping down by 25% every 3-4 days until u can skip a day on a low dose...say < .25mg then jump off. Either way, if u jump off and feel as tho u can't function (with a very quick taper this may be the case) start dosing lopermide. A good starting dose from my research is 5-10 2mg pills (10-20mg). Wait a couple hrs. To see if it helps. If not dose a bit more. For most ppl it takes away most all w/d even anxiety. But again u are just putting a hold of w/ds again, so do a slow taper and u should be good.
Good luck


EDIT: I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IM NOT SURE IF TAKING LARGER THAN RECOMMENDED DOSES OF LOPE AND THEN DOSING WITH SUBOXEN WOULD CAUSE PRECITATED WITHDRAWAL. IN LARGE DOSES SOME OF THE LOPE DOES IN FACT STAY AFTER IT HAS CROSSED THE BBB AND IT HAS A VERY LONG HALF LIFE. ME N MY BL BFF WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SAME THING RECENTLY.

 

[SAMCRO]

hard to tell from your OP how long you've been taking the subs for? Is it approx 1 week? If you've only been taking it for a week the w/d should be pretty minimal because the build up from subs long half life hasn't had time to really take place yet. One thing for sure is the shorter amount of time you've been on the subs the better/quicker you will recover from the w/d's so there's no time like the present to leave sub behind before it becomes a very painful w/d. If it does get super rough you could try using Kratom or Lope for a few days but it's best if you don't need to of course.

 

[hebb22]

Your always going to go thru WD's regardless. Ive been in your shoes It wont be as acute as heroin, but it will still be uncomfortable

 

[bigsl33p]

the way I used to come off of heroin was take bup long enough for the heroin to metabolize out (3--5 days) and maybe take it a few days longer. taking bupe for a week or a little over a week shouldnt cause but the most minor of withdrawals
because the idea is use it long enough to get the opiate out but not long enough to have a physical dependence on the bupe.
ive done it dozens of times and it works especially well when its just a slip. it would be a different story if youve been strung out months and need to detox with subs youd experience harsher w/ds and really the best route would be to take subs for a few weeks then taper off as fast as you can comfortably manage.

immodium aleve and benadryl/zyrtec will help more than you imagine. even better would be klonidine or some other blood pressure medicine taken carefully in addition.

 

[Flaga121]

Bupe is not a different dependency. All opis cause the same dependence.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

This. Same dependency. What varies depending on the specific drug/dosage/length of use, is the symptom severity and overall withdrawal length. But opiate dependency is opiate dependency.

 

[Shrunk]

Guys...I cant thank you enough for all the info...I really appreciate it...I've actually managed to get more than what i had originally just this morning which is another 4 8mg pills ...the ones i had before i managed to taper down to a quarter a day which is about 2mg? well yes.. i did encounter some withdrawls and not a great feeling and was annoyed with alot of legs pain that really is just a nightmare for me cuz it reminds me of heroin withdrawls which is really bad.. but i have to say this really..ive been a heroin user for 16 years ..and i live in a country called Lebanon where a gram of heroin costs just around 10$..so you do the math with the sum of heroin addicts around here ..and just lately they managed to import buprenorphine..ive always knew about subutex..but they dont get it anymore...and frankly guys ..this is really such a great evolving step towards addiction of opiates..i never thought they would ever reach such a stage with the evolution of pharmaceutical pills...anyways ..to tell you the truth i dont think i could get Imodium around here ..but i would really appreciate it guys if you help me out just a little more..now im on a quarter a day ..and im thinking of just continue taking my 4 8mg pills like that ..so that's another 16 days if i managed to fight my temptations of taking more..well after that do you think id still experience withdrawls? ive read alot of people managing to taper down correctly to say and they managed not to experience any withdrawl symptoms...i know its hard to believe .. but some people are saying it could be done without any severe withdrawls...ive been doing buprenorphine now for 3 weeks..going into my 4th week...its not much of a long time compared to the period of time ive seen around here and else where..but taking it over a course of years ..offcourse its gonna get so stuck to ur plasma cells it wont kick off easily and its gonna be hell...and even now im feeling hell frankly ...but i know im doing the right thing here..i just dont wanna go back to jail having to deal to support my habit of heroin ...so this is really just a great step towards recovery...and im excited about being able to work...but im worried..if i just cut it after these pills ive got having to take a quarter a day...you reckon am gonna suffer too ?or u think i should taper down to 1 mg even better? although i couldn't scale it right since im just breaking them with the tip of my fingers!!....Seriously thank you so much guys...I do need ur support on this matter since im new to bupr...but its all just better than being addicted to opiates and heroin...Good luck to anyone fighting this and thank you again.

Your best best is to switch to loperamide if you have to be well enough to work. Take enough to feel well. It takes a few hours to kick in. Then quickly taper down to 8mg or less a day. Jumping off from that point if fairly easy. That is how I got clean last time and it was pretty painless.

As i said earlier im on quarter a day which is around 2 mg... if i manage loperamide lets say and quit after the stash i got of 4 pills...would i be fine ? Do you recommend any other that could be helpfull? cheers thanks alot..and it satisfies me knowing you get clean easily using this taper and method..cheers and thanks again.

 

[mostly-human]

I'm not entirely clear about how long you've been taking suboxone for.. But jumping off 2mg is pretty significant.. I posted a thread about it a couple months back and updated it a few days ago (going strong). It's not so severe that you can't do anything, but you can expect 6 weeks or so of fairly pronounced symptoms - like very RLS, fatigue, weakness, sweats, chills, insomnia, etc -usual opiate stuff. As others have mentioned - it is no where near as acute as full agonist early WD symptoms.. But with bupe they just keep going and going and going and going.. you start to think you'll be withdrawing for ever..

That said - as I wrote in my thread, I advise not to work through the worst of it (say days 4,5 and 6) - but you should exercise as much as you can. Beyond that - I found it very helpful to work FT through my WDs beyond that stage, kept me occupied and focused. Worst thing for opiate WD IMHO is laying around and feeling sorry for yourself, imagining how bad you're feeling and magnifying it for your own 'amusement'. Stay active.


EDIT: Oh - and diarrhoea, lots of diarrhoea.

 

[Shrunk]

Six weeks?? Gee man that's a long time..I've been doing it for the 4th week now after a 4 months heroin addiction (not a new user) so that's why I'm wondering what's the safest way to do it with mininun withdrawl..n I do agree on the working part..that's what's really giving me a bit motive to do it..cuz I'm aware of the difference between sitting at home n feeling sorry for yourself n getting busy...hey thanks a lot. but still I gotta try taper down to the least I can n let go..I can't keep doing bupr during my job..I will although have to tolerate the pain for as long as I should..but my goal is to minimize it as much as I can with some tips like urs and others around here..cheers

 

[ladianios]

You should start tapering ur sub by 25% every 3days or so, u have already been on it too long. I am in the middle of a 7 day taper from a year of 120mg of oxy using sub. I started at 1.5 mg of sub on day one and on day 4 I am down to .50. I will do one more day at .50 then one day at .25 skip a day then another at .25 then jump and deal with the following week or so of caca. That's the best way to do it. 2mg of sub that ur on is enough to subside wds from monster habits. I have been wd free during my taper besides very broken sleep at night but at least I get some. I think most here will agree that u should go with 25% drops every 2-3 days then jump....get off soon and grind it out. The only way to the other side is to go thru my friend, there is no free ride. All good /fun things come with a price. Best of luck and I would like to publicly thank Mr. Scag for previous advice.