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Platform-Independent Technical Gibberings - hardware and "Internet"

Don't assume dongles are faster than phone tethering, they're the same technology, if you have a reasonably modern phone (let us know your phone model, that can help us understand what your options are).

My ADSL broadband was disconnected on Friday, a "mistake" by a wholesale supplier, apparently. I'm getting online now through BT's Open WiFi* system. I'm also able to use vodafone mobile broadband, by tethering my mobile phone.

The speed of the mobile broadband is really impressive! It's much quicker than than this WiFi connection to a BT line :D And more reliable.

Only problem is it's limited to 500MB per month and after that it's £1/25MB. That can ramp up quick.


*I paid £18 for 5 days service, I'm essentially tapping in to someone's BT broadband service in my street over wireless. This is not a great way to live as it seems BT are filtering and decrypting all SSL connections :!

My phone is several years old now and only runs Android 2.1.
I was debating whether to update my phone but a laptop will allow me to do things I can't with a phone.
I only get 500mb a month for £10 payg but I think there is now a new sim that allows 1GB for £10.
I can't afford to upgrade my phone and buy a laptop so do you know if it is possible to buy a dongle and put the mobile phone sim card in it for the data allowance?
 
My phone is several years old now and only runs Android 2.1.
I was debating whether to update my phone but a laptop will allow me to do things I can't with a phone.
I only get 500mb a month for £10 payg but I think there is now a new sim that allows 1GB for £10.
I can't afford to upgrade my phone and buy a laptop so do you know if it is possible to buy a dongle and put the mobile phone sim card in it for the data allowance?


It sounds like you don't believe me when I say there will most likely be no speed benefit from using a dongle. I'm not making it up! But please can you tell us the make and model of the phone so I can check the actual specifications and then we'll know for sure.
 
My phone is several years old now and only runs Android 2.1.
I was debating whether to update my phone but a laptop will allow me to do things I can't with a phone.
I only get 500mb a month for £10 payg but I think there is now a new sim that allows 1GB for £10.
I can't afford to upgrade my phone and buy a laptop so do you know if it is possible to buy a dongle and put the mobile phone sim card in it for the data allowance?

Giff Gaff gives you unlimited for £12 a month. Strictly speaking they don't allow tethering or dangles but as long as you don't abuse it with massive amounts of downloading etc I don't think they're particularly fussy.
 
Rubbish. I had a Motorla Razr2 v9 from 2007 which did decent HSDPA. Android 2.1 was out in 2009/2010.

I am currently using a HTC Desire Z, which dates from November 2010, it shipped with Android 2.2.1. I currently run Cyanogenmod on it, The tethered speed, as I mentioned in my earlier posts, is impressive. Until we know the actual specs of maxalfie's phone, we're just speculating.
 
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I don't doubt your knowledge about dongles,computers at all Knock as I know next to nothing about them.
It's not the speed aspect of a dongle it's just I thought I may get higher data allowances with one perhaps cheaper than topping up my phone.
My phone is a ZTE Blade re-branded by Orange as the San Francisco.
I can get a 3g signal outside of my flat but inside I get the G symbol which still allows me to browse fairly quickly.
 
Well, turns out I was right. His smartphone supports up to HSDPA at 7.2 Mbps and HSUPA at 5.76 Mbps. Especially the d/l speed is nothing to write home about.



:? 7.2Mbps is quite satisfactory, what are you on about?


The fastest copper broadband I can get is "up to" 20Mbps and in reality it's 16Mbps. I'm in a large town in the UK, I am under 1km from my exchange. So if he can get 7.2Mbps wireless, that's pretty good.





maxalfie, I really don't know what different packages are available, but you say you don't get 3G in your flat, just 2G. Maybe it's worth looking to see who has proper 3G provision in your location. Network operators provide coverage maps so you can put your post code in and see if there is service where you are.

vodafone

o2

I don't even know who all the main operators are. I've managed to cut most adverts out of my life, this has it's downside in that I'm pretty ignorant of the market. And I like it that way!
 
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My Desire Z has a maximum connection speed of 14.4 Mbps. It is subjectively faster than my home broadband for casual browsing. This is what I'm basing my statement on. And I do not enjoy ideal conditions, I'm on the edge of a 3G cell (I've checked on Vodafone's coverage map) and if I move my phone a bit to the left it trains down to 2G.
 
Back online like a molester of mothers %)

I even have IPv6 address space now so stick that in your long-haul trunk and vaporise it.
 
Neither at the moment as still yet to buy the laptop.
My flatmate suggested that we could look into how much it would cost to have a proper home broadband deal as he would like a connection that he could use for online gaming on his Xbox.
So we are gonna have a look to see what sort of deals are out there, I would also like to be able to view online documentarys as whenever I visit my mum that's all I do when she is at work is watch drug documentarys that I would otherwise be unable to view.
 
I'll take a guess, I haven't used ad-hoc wifi much, maybe once many years ago... if you connect to your house network the router is responsible for dishing out IP addresses (via DHCP) and will ensure every device gets a good IP address - one on the same network as every one else. So if your home network is 192.168.0.0/24 (that means the allocatable IP address range is 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254, less the address the router has taken) the router will ensure every device gets an IP address in that range. In an ad-hoc network I'm not sure who's responsible for allocating IP addresses, it's probably you, so you might need to make sure the devices have IP addresses on the same network. So if your iPod has IP address 192.168.0.45 and your laptop has IP address 192.168.1.2, they won't be able to talk to each other, because 192.168.1.0/24 is a different network to 192.168.0.0/24. The /24 says "24 bits of the available 32 bits in the address space are used to identify the network". What that means is that the first 3 octets (octet.octet.octet.octet) define the network. That's also known as a "class C" network. In a class C network, only the last octet is used to identify a device on a network. You still have to include the first three octets when you utter a class C address, but they never change.

The four octets in an IPv4 address are called octets because they comprise 8 bits each - so they only go up to 255. In the class C network 192.168.0.0/24, 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255 are reserved addresses that cannot be assigned to actual devices, so don't try it. In binary, the represent an all-zero octet and an all-1 octet respectively - 0 base 10 = 00000000 base 2, and 255 base 10 = 11111111 base 2. In class C, 192.168.0.0 is a network address (not used except to refer to the network itself) and 192.168.0.255 is a broadcast address (all network devices receive packets sent to that address) and they are only used by the systems themselves for special purposes.

If you understand that, well done!

Why are the first two octets always 192.168. Is it just convention?
 
It's more mandate than convention. 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.0 are the reserved private class C networks. They are not accessible to the internet at large, except by tricks like network address translation (NAT). The only place you will find 192.168 addresses are on internal networks, generally inside people's homes or in small offices. So there are no web servers, for example, with 192.168 addresses - or rather there are, but they do not appear as such outside the private networks on which they reside.

So I have a web server in my house, it's address is 192.168.0.50. However there are thousands of other computers with the same address, in other people's houses, and in offices and institutes of education. In order to make my web server contactable from outside my network I have to configure my router, which has a proper public IP address (not 192.168.x.x) to rewrite the destination address on HTTP requests it receives.

Say my router has public IP address 134.2.43.2. Public DNS records resolve www.knock.co.uk to 134.2.43.2. If you put www.knock.co.uk in your browser it will send HTTP requests to 134.2.43.2 (on port 80). My router is configured to perform NAT on port 80 traffic using my web server 192.168.0.50 as the target. So the request comes in "from: gannetsarewe to: www.knock.co.uk(134.2.43.2), port 80; give me knockscock.jpg". My router looks up port 80 in it's NAT table and sees "port 80 goes to 192.168.0.150". It rewrites your request - "from: gannetsarewe to: www.knock.co.uk(192.168.0.150), port 80; give me knockscock.jpg" and sends it down the wire to my spare room. Then my web server replies "from www.knock.co.uk(192.168.0.150) to: gannetsarewe; here's knockscock.jpg", passes that reply to my router, my router rewrites "from: www.knock.co.uk(134.2.43.2), to: gannetsarewe; here's knockscock.jpg"

In normal circumstances, if NAT has not been configured, public routers are quite within their rights, duty bound even, to just ignore packets with 192.168 addresses as either source or destination. They won't make it beyond the first router that sees them.


WHY: why are there private IP addresses? public IP addresses are managed, there is an issuing body which controls who gets which IP address. In order to avoid bureaucratic hell, we have private addresses which you can use without checking first with the issuing body. You're free to refer to your bedroom as "10 Downing Street" but it could get confusing if you happen to be the chancellor of the exchequer.
 
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maxalfie, I really don't know what different packages are available, but you say you don't get 3G in your flat, just 2G. Maybe it's worth looking to see who has proper 3G provision in your location. Network operators provide coverage maps so you can put your post code in and see if there is service where you are.

vodafone

o2

I don't even know who all the main operators are. I've managed to cut most adverts out of my life, this has it's downside in that I'm pretty ignorant of the market. And I like it that way!

I have bitter professional experience of those fabricated maps, they are solely based on theoretical coverage from the cell sites. To be fair they could possibly be a real world test of what signal you might get in a particular location as line of sight to the cell can be affected by numerous things. I have measured signals at near on max in one location and then near on nothing less than 5m away.

Mobile is designed for just that ( mobile ) since you are moving about the problem is not as acute as it would be if you were static, like at home. I had an employer switch to Vodafone and I could only take a call half way up my drive.

IME the dongles are a waste of time, you may as we'll tether a mobile phone via USB or hotspot, if you're concerned about your current mobile package use a PAYG SIM most do a monthly deal on unlimited data and that way you can find the best operator/ signal for you location, they mostly provide PAYG SIMs for nothing if you order them online, shops sell them for £ or 2 if you don't want the hassle.
 
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wtf is this meant to mean ?
 
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