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Piracetam - does it work??
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BigTrancer
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It's a good idea in principle, but I'm not sure about the likelihood of making a go of this on BL in practise.
The postage isn't horribly expensive, for 2 boxes of Piracetam tablets the postage is only about US$15 or so... I think that's the minimum on a quick airmail delivery. The logistics of getting each person's order to them, once a bulk order arrived, would probably work out more expensive and much more hassle than people ordering it individually for themselves.
Plus, you have the added problem of people wanting to remain anonymous on Bluelight, so while ordering in bulk can be a good idea, I'm not sure if it will be practical in this instance.
Also, remember that the 'blanket' ruling from the TGA is that you can normally only order '3 months supply' at any one time of medications that are non-prescription but not specifically approved for sale in Australia. It might be worth checking into this, because it would be awful to have a huge order confiscated.
Of course - being that Piracetam is not 5-HTP or reagent testers, sources should not be discussed here.
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The postage isn't horribly expensive, for 2 boxes of Piracetam tablets the postage is only about US$15 or so... I think that's the minimum on a quick airmail delivery. The logistics of getting each person's order to them, once a bulk order arrived, would probably work out more expensive and much more hassle than people ordering it individually for themselves.
Plus, you have the added problem of people wanting to remain anonymous on Bluelight, so while ordering in bulk can be a good idea, I'm not sure if it will be practical in this instance.
Also, remember that the 'blanket' ruling from the TGA is that you can normally only order '3 months supply' at any one time of medications that are non-prescription but not specifically approved for sale in Australia. It might be worth checking into this, because it would be awful to have a huge order confiscated.
Of course - being that Piracetam is not 5-HTP or reagent testers, sources should not be discussed here.
BigTrancer
nanobrain
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just an FYI to those thinking of an SD regime for temporary short-to-long term memory transfer improvement.
the following has proven to work well back in the stone age of my schooling days, when months of laziness had to be compensated for in 1-2 weeks of cramming.
of course, remember
that memory is state-dependant. if you dont know what that means, dont take smart drugs, 'cause it wont help.
daily dose, may be split up morning and afternoon:
200-300 mg Caffeine (or 1-2 Ripped Fuels works wonders for the US denizens)
1,000 mg L-Phenylalanine, not the DL
10 mg Deprenyl
2,400 mg piracetam
500 mg choline (bitartrate version)
500 mg centrophenoxine (Lucidril)
5 mg Hydergine
1 snort Vasopressin
good luck forgetting things..
the following has proven to work well back in the stone age of my schooling days, when months of laziness had to be compensated for in 1-2 weeks of cramming.
of course, remember
that memory is state-dependant. if you dont know what that means, dont take smart drugs, 'cause it wont help.daily dose, may be split up morning and afternoon:
200-300 mg Caffeine (or 1-2 Ripped Fuels works wonders for the US denizens)
1,000 mg L-Phenylalanine, not the DL
10 mg Deprenyl
2,400 mg piracetam
500 mg choline (bitartrate version)
500 mg centrophenoxine (Lucidril)
5 mg Hydergine
1 snort Vasopressin
good luck forgetting things..
magicmarmalade
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Quoting nanobrain
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daily dose, may be split up morning and afternoon:
200-300 mg Caffeine (or 1-2 Ripped Fuels works wonders for the US denizens)
1,000 mg L-Phenylalanine, not the DL
10 mg Deprenyl
2,400 mg piracetam
500 mg choline (bitartrate version)
500 mg centrophenoxine (Lucidril)
5 mg Hydergine
1 snort Vasopressin
good luck forgetting things.."
Goddamn nano, and I thought I was overdoing it when I ate breakfast and took a b complex pill on study days.
I have however been interested in deprenyl (selegiline) for years....you must not be from AUs right?
Anyway, how were your exam scores in light of taking all this stuff?
And nowadays, what would you suggest to a student in australia to get on for exams (keeping in mind what we have access too).
Cheers
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daily dose, may be split up morning and afternoon:
200-300 mg Caffeine (or 1-2 Ripped Fuels works wonders for the US denizens)
1,000 mg L-Phenylalanine, not the DL
10 mg Deprenyl
2,400 mg piracetam
500 mg choline (bitartrate version)
500 mg centrophenoxine (Lucidril)
5 mg Hydergine
1 snort Vasopressin
good luck forgetting things.."
Goddamn nano, and I thought I was overdoing it when I ate breakfast and took a b complex pill on study days.
I have however been interested in deprenyl (selegiline) for years....you must not be from AUs right?
Anyway, how were your exam scores in light of taking all this stuff?
And nowadays, what would you suggest to a student in australia to get on for exams (keeping in mind what we have access too).
Cheers
nanobrain
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all of the above, minus Vasopressin (correct me if wrong on Vaso pls) and of course Rippies, which the TGA will confiscate, are avail to those living in oz. there is a 3 month TGA personal use exemption.
exam scores? well, got my double undergrad major. then through one of the tougher graduate programs. but ya gotta ask of the practical applicability of all that uni stuff you cram into the cranium in those short bursts...
exam scores? well, got my double undergrad major. then through one of the tougher graduate programs. but ya gotta ask of the practical applicability of all that uni stuff you cram into the cranium in those short bursts...
pinkanga
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Just getting back to the original topic for a sec...
Piracetam does work. That is - if you are looking for a way to regain that alusive 'magic' - I am now totally concviced. After using Piracetam for a lengthy period before the recent Transmission in Sydney, and taking a small amount of meth and a couple of pills on the night, I was entirely zonked. Pills were ok - not brilliant, but good - and to be totally honest I was rollin along pretty nicely of only the meth, which was a little bit less than a half weight.
Not sure how effective Piracetam is at enhancing cognitive capabilities, however I have recently ordered twice as much and am going to up my daily dose considerably. Also thinking about ordering one of the analogues of Piracetam - either Aniracetam or Oxiracetam - both of which are supposed to be considerably stronger than Piracetam. Will not be rolling on this higher dosage though - would be very scary im sure.
Anyway, not meaning to take the limelight......and back to memory enhancement...
[Edit: Source request removed. BigTrancer]
Piracetam does work. That is - if you are looking for a way to regain that alusive 'magic' - I am now totally concviced. After using Piracetam for a lengthy period before the recent Transmission in Sydney, and taking a small amount of meth and a couple of pills on the night, I was entirely zonked. Pills were ok - not brilliant, but good - and to be totally honest I was rollin along pretty nicely of only the meth, which was a little bit less than a half weight.
Not sure how effective Piracetam is at enhancing cognitive capabilities, however I have recently ordered twice as much and am going to up my daily dose considerably. Also thinking about ordering one of the analogues of Piracetam - either Aniracetam or Oxiracetam - both of which are supposed to be considerably stronger than Piracetam. Will not be rolling on this higher dosage though - would be very scary im sure.
Anyway, not meaning to take the limelight......and back to memory enhancement...
[Edit: Source request removed. BigTrancer]
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plazma
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Hmmm...
The more information I read about this substance, the more curious I am to see what it is like. I have no real interest in it as an aid to making other drugs more effective, but I'm interested in the increase of memory, concentration et al.
I wonder if there are going to turn out to be any long term side effects as a result of people using it? I know that while the class of drugs nuotropics traditionally have no long term damage (or very little) I am wondering if there is no such thing as something for nothing.
-plaz out-
The more information I read about this substance, the more curious I am to see what it is like. I have no real interest in it as an aid to making other drugs more effective, but I'm interested in the increase of memory, concentration et al.
I wonder if there are going to turn out to be any long term side effects as a result of people using it? I know that while the class of drugs nuotropics traditionally have no long term damage (or very little) I am wondering if there is no such thing as something for nothing.
-plaz out-
BigTrancer
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I can't comment with certainty on this topic; however, the reason that I chose Piracetam in particular, as my first experimentation with nootropics, was that it's been in use for over 20 years and has been well studied. One would imagine that any long term effects would have potentially been noticed by now?
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i have also noticed that similar to 5-HTP, i experience increased incidents of dreams. it kind of weaves all the outstanding memories of my day into one weird story. pretty funny stuff! i woke my girlfriend up the other night saying "can we got to the Billabong restaurant on Saturday?" hahaha
MazDan
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Just been reading heaps of threads about piracetam and finally came across this one which is easily the most informative from the perspective of getting others opinions.
Thanks to all those who have contributed above.
I was wondering if there were any further updates from those who have been experimenting?? BT??? or PinkKanga???
Also if there was anyone else who had been using this since and what there thoughts were???
Cheers all.
Thanks to all those who have contributed above.
I was wondering if there were any further updates from those who have been experimenting?? BT??? or PinkKanga???
Also if there was anyone else who had been using this since and what there thoughts were???
Cheers all.
pinkanga
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Hey MazDan. As I said above I used Piracetam while rolling on a few occasions and I really did notice an increase in effects from pills 'n speed. It was most obvious after taking only small amounts of whatever substance (only 1 pill, or only a couple of lines). I found that the effects were strong enough to take away the urgency to have more and I even forgot that I had more stuff to go and that I planned to have more later on - cause' lets face it after only 1 pill its usually not long before swallowed another.
I was having 3200mg a day for about a month too which may have caused me to become slightly manic, although Im not sure because there were other factors at the time that may have helped cause this. Anyway, there definitly did seem to be an attitute of, "lets get things done", if you know what I mean, and procrastination was thrown out the window.
Im looking forward to trying this dose again. A lot of people claim that piracetam is useless, but I dont think so. Of course there is the placebo factor, which is why Im looking forward for my next order to arrive. I think it worthwhile giving it a go.
I was having 3200mg a day for about a month too which may have caused me to become slightly manic, although Im not sure because there were other factors at the time that may have helped cause this. Anyway, there definitly did seem to be an attitute of, "lets get things done", if you know what I mean, and procrastination was thrown out the window.
Im looking forward to trying this dose again. A lot of people claim that piracetam is useless, but I dont think so. Of course there is the placebo factor, which is why Im looking forward for my next order to arrive. I think it worthwhile giving it a go.
nanobrain
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piracetam works, the newer analogs work better but you get the added pleasure of paying extra.
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aniracetam
oxiracetam
pramiracetam
etiracetam,
nefiracetam,
aniracetam
rolziracetam
i like good old piracetam, used it for 20 years so far, no side fx.
side fx reported by other (sensitive and hypotonic) users include an increase in arterial bp as well as psychological withdrawal due to a feeling of reduced cognition which sets in less than a week after stopping a course.
FYI:
Brain Res Brain Res Rev. 1994 May;19(2):180-222.
Gouliaev AH, Senning A.
Department of Chemistry, Aarhus University, Denmark.
Nearly three decades have now passed since the discovery of the piracetam-like nootropics, compounds which exhibit cognition-enhancing properties, but for which no commonly accepted mechanism of action has been established. This review covers clinical, pharmacokinetic, biochemical and behavioural results presented in the literature from 1965 through 1992 (407 references) of piracetam, oxiracetam, pramiracetam, etiracetam, nefiracetam, aniracetam and rolziracetam and their structural analogues. The piracetam-like nootropics are capable of achieving reversal of amnesia induced by, e.g., scopolamine, electroconvulsive shock and hypoxia. Protection against barbiturate intoxication is observed and some benefit in clinical studies with patients suffering from mild to moderate degrees of dementia has been demonstrated. No affinity for the alpha 1-, alpha 2-, beta-, muscarinic, 5-hydroxytryptamine-, dopamine, adenosine-A1-, mu-opiate, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) (except for nefiracetam (GABAA)), benzodiazepine and glutamate receptors has been found. The racetams possess a very low toxicity and lack serious side effects. Increased turnover of different neurotransmitters has been observed as well as other biochemical findings, e.g., inhibition of enzymes such as prolylendopeptidase. So far, no generally accepted mechanism of action has, however, emerged. We believe that the effect of the racetams is due to a potentiation of already present neurotransmission and that much evidence points in the direction of a modulated ion flux by, e.g., potentiated calcium influx through non-L-type voltage-dependent calcium channels, potentiated sodium influx through alpha-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazolepropionic acid receptor gated channels or voltage-dependent channels or decreases in potassium efflux. Effects on carrier mediated ion transport are also possible.
/[sarcasm]
aniracetam
oxiracetam
pramiracetam
etiracetam,
nefiracetam,
aniracetam
rolziracetam
i like good old piracetam, used it for 20 years so far, no side fx.
side fx reported by other (sensitive and hypotonic) users include an increase in arterial bp as well as psychological withdrawal due to a feeling of reduced cognition which sets in less than a week after stopping a course.
FYI:
Brain Res Brain Res Rev. 1994 May;19(2):180-222.
Gouliaev AH, Senning A.
Department of Chemistry, Aarhus University, Denmark.
Nearly three decades have now passed since the discovery of the piracetam-like nootropics, compounds which exhibit cognition-enhancing properties, but for which no commonly accepted mechanism of action has been established. This review covers clinical, pharmacokinetic, biochemical and behavioural results presented in the literature from 1965 through 1992 (407 references) of piracetam, oxiracetam, pramiracetam, etiracetam, nefiracetam, aniracetam and rolziracetam and their structural analogues. The piracetam-like nootropics are capable of achieving reversal of amnesia induced by, e.g., scopolamine, electroconvulsive shock and hypoxia. Protection against barbiturate intoxication is observed and some benefit in clinical studies with patients suffering from mild to moderate degrees of dementia has been demonstrated. No affinity for the alpha 1-, alpha 2-, beta-, muscarinic, 5-hydroxytryptamine-, dopamine, adenosine-A1-, mu-opiate, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) (except for nefiracetam (GABAA)), benzodiazepine and glutamate receptors has been found. The racetams possess a very low toxicity and lack serious side effects. Increased turnover of different neurotransmitters has been observed as well as other biochemical findings, e.g., inhibition of enzymes such as prolylendopeptidase. So far, no generally accepted mechanism of action has, however, emerged. We believe that the effect of the racetams is due to a potentiation of already present neurotransmission and that much evidence points in the direction of a modulated ion flux by, e.g., potentiated calcium influx through non-L-type voltage-dependent calcium channels, potentiated sodium influx through alpha-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazolepropionic acid receptor gated channels or voltage-dependent channels or decreases in potassium efflux. Effects on carrier mediated ion transport are also possible.
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pinkanga
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Interesting info nanobrain (although most of it went straight over my head -I may need some more Piracetam!)
nanobrain which analogue's have you tried, and consequently recommend?
What are the differences in effects have you noticed while using any of the analogue's?
What combinations and dosage do you recommend with regard to Piracetam?
Sorry for all the Q's, but with 20 yrs experience with the drug I could guess that you would have lots of info and knowledge to impart. Anything at all would be great.
Thanks...
PS. What is arterial bp?
nanobrain which analogue's have you tried, and consequently recommend?
What are the differences in effects have you noticed while using any of the analogue's?
What combinations and dosage do you recommend with regard to Piracetam?
Sorry for all the Q's, but with 20 yrs experience with the drug I could guess that you would have lots of info and knowledge to impart. Anything at all would be great.
Thanks...
PS. What is arterial bp?
BigTrancer
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Blood pressure.
Pinkanga: I have almost identical experiences to those you described. Very well put! I have dosed to 2400mg, but no higher at this stage.
Extremely rough translation of the abstract:
BigTrancer
Pinkanga: I have almost identical experiences to those you described. Very well put! I have dosed to 2400mg, but no higher at this stage.
Extremely rough translation of the abstract:
BigTrancer
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MazDan
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From what I understand, Pirecetam gets the blood flowing between the two sides of your brain and that is how it works.
It makes sense therefore that it could enhance E by the simple fact that it is circulating it in the bloodstream quicker.
Some time ago I had an experience wherby I and a mate did a few 100metre sprints while Eing pretty hard........the result was that my mate was spewing for ages..........partly due to his level of fitness no doubt.........and for me I saw the most stunning open eye visuals that I had or have ever seen whereby my mate turned into a green scaled lizard.
There is no question that our hearts were pumping flat out following this exercise...........far more than if we go clubbing and are dancing all night.
I no BT that you dont think it would have contributed to the visuals......the sprinting that is...........but I am not so sure, I have tried a number of times since to replicate it without the sprinting but a similar ammount of E and have had no luck.
I am wondering if the sprinting in a way causes a similar thing to the piracetam wherby it really gets the blood flowing big time.
Do any of you guys have any experience with E while doing anaerobic exercise such as sprinting as opposed to aerobic exercise such as walking dancing etc.
Naturally the effect of the piracetam would be longer because after about ten minutes or so depending on the relevant fitness factor of the individual, your heart would be back to normal, whereas the piracetam just keeps going.
Hope all that makes sense.
It makes sense therefore that it could enhance E by the simple fact that it is circulating it in the bloodstream quicker.
Some time ago I had an experience wherby I and a mate did a few 100metre sprints while Eing pretty hard........the result was that my mate was spewing for ages..........partly due to his level of fitness no doubt.........and for me I saw the most stunning open eye visuals that I had or have ever seen whereby my mate turned into a green scaled lizard.
There is no question that our hearts were pumping flat out following this exercise...........far more than if we go clubbing and are dancing all night.
I no BT that you dont think it would have contributed to the visuals......the sprinting that is...........but I am not so sure, I have tried a number of times since to replicate it without the sprinting but a similar ammount of E and have had no luck.
I am wondering if the sprinting in a way causes a similar thing to the piracetam wherby it really gets the blood flowing big time.
Do any of you guys have any experience with E while doing anaerobic exercise such as sprinting as opposed to aerobic exercise such as walking dancing etc.
Naturally the effect of the piracetam would be longer because after about ten minutes or so depending on the relevant fitness factor of the individual, your heart would be back to normal, whereas the piracetam just keeps going.
Hope all that makes sense.
nanobrain
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rolziracetam sounds good...sorry, couldn't help it.
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I tried it a while ago for a few months and did notice that I could concentrate quite well at work even after big weekends.
I know this is a brief report but just letting people I think it really does work, the only reason I'm not taking it on a daily basis anymore is because i'm not going out as hard anymore and i'm hopeless with taking anything on a daily basis for extended periods.
If you do use it to enhance pilling, it will work but the scatteredness is also highly increased so I wouldn't reccomend it but even with a 100mg daily dose concentration is better and when you do roll i'ts alot smoother.
I know this is a brief report but just letting people I think it really does work, the only reason I'm not taking it on a daily basis anymore is because i'm not going out as hard anymore and i'm hopeless with taking anything on a daily basis for extended periods.
If you do use it to enhance pilling, it will work but the scatteredness is also highly increased so I wouldn't reccomend it but even with a 100mg daily dose concentration is better and when you do roll i'ts alot smoother.
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