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th3 s1aught3r

th3 s1aught3r

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Do these adulterated pills give off a kind of MDMA buzz ?
I have had pills in the past that I am convinced were pips, mainly due to the very bad comedowns. But they definitely had me sort of buzzin when I took them
I also had herbal E in New Zealand about 5 years back , expensive enough, forty dollars for about 4 pills, again it did the job
 
Technically, you can make molly from sassafrass root, so that may be what the herbal ones are. It's hard to say if something is pipes, or if there are just a bunch of amphetamines in it, those would cause a comedown worse than anything. First time doing e I came down so hard I felt like I had a fever, freezing, not able to sleep, anxiety...no probs since then. I haven't had any negative side effects "coming down" it just feels like it's slowly wearing off, then I get tired and go to sleep. I'll be tired the next day.
 
Pipes do not give an MDMA like buzz at all. In fact they are very unpleasant. I've had them before and that night was hell. I was shaky, sweaty and felt sick as hell. It's used as a cheap substitute, irdk why tho...
 
peacefuldreamer09 said:
Technically, you can make molly from sassafrass root, so that may be what the herbal ones are. It's hard to say if something is pipes, or if there are just a bunch of amphetamines in it, those would cause a comedown worse than anything. First time doing e I came down so hard I felt like I had a fever, freezing, not able to sleep, anxiety...no probs since then. I haven't had any negative side effects "coming down" it just feels like it's slowly wearing off, then I get tired and go to sleep. I'll be tired the next day.
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Herbal MDMA is not sassafrass MDMA. MDMA is MDMA and it is all illegal in Australia (and most everywhere) regardless of how it is synthesized. "Herbal Ecstacy" typically refers to MDMA alternatives with varying effects, and are often piperazines.

Piperazines do have a bit of the serotonergic action of MDMA, but most users can spot the differences. Harsh comedowns, feeling a bit urpy, minor psychedelia of sorts at times, all can be a hint but when it comes to it... and most of all most people don't enjoy them.

testkit.
 
Pipes are like this

MCPP-crappy stimulant type high with very very light trippy effects...bad comedown ill stomach
pFPP-the best out of the group but still kind of shitty....strong visuals unlike tryps or phens(weird 3d effect type visuals)
MBZP-crappy version of a crappy 24 hour stimulant(bzp)

Plenty more that aren't worth trying. Only one I ever enjoyed was pFPP with a little MCPP in an old school mind candy
 
nope, pipes the last ones i had were ninjas/homers and they give me a wired kind of on meth feeling. it was similar to mdma i probably wouldn't mind but they are a obvious difference.
 
When certain Piperazines are combined they can mimic the high associated with MDMA - most of them give a more jittery high (like dirty speed). The biggest give away with them is the duration of the high - I cannot sleep after piperazines even if I have no other effects.

Pfpp is pretty fun but you have to be careful with the dose as it can give you a nasty body high and if you take too much it feels almost sedating.
 
Pipes are easy to differentiate from MDMA...MDMA has a distinct empathagenic effect. Basically, if you've had good e, you know the feeling. It's fantastic, so if you're not feeling fantastic with the usual empathy/loved up feeling, it's not e. I know immediately as I'm coming up if I've been piped...it sucks. There's the initial warm rush but that's the only similarity. The warm rush turns into an annoying hot feeling and my body's temperature gets all f-ed up. LSD and Mushrooms will do this to me sometimes too, so I know right away if it's a PIPE. I really wish someone would develop a test kit to test for piperazines. That would teach these dirt dealers a lesson for awhile.

Also, if you have a higher tolerance, it's easier to know if your pill has pipe in it because you probably won't feel the MDMA mixed into the PIPE. There won't be enough MDMA to get you going. This is a big problem for those with low and medium tolerances because dealers can trick them into thinking they've got decent pills, but they don't. I see it all the time. Friends will drop pills and recommend them thinking they're good, but when I take them I can immediately tell from the taste and effects they're pipes/e mix.
 
th3 s1aught3r said:
Do these adulterated pills give off a kind of MDMA buzz ?
I have had pills in the past that I am convinced were pips, mainly due to the very bad comedowns. But they definitely had me sort of buzzin when I took them
I also had herbal E in New Zealand about 5 years back , expensive enough, forty dollars for about 4 pills, again it did the job
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What was herbal e like?
 
Well it wasnt anything like MDMA , however I definitely got a nice buzz off of it. I dont know what was in it, and I also think that soon after that, about 3 years ago, they were outlawed in NZ.
Expensive though, like ten bucks each
 
Is the herbal e from NZ not simply BZP - Benzylpiperazine? I thought Ireland and UK got all their stock when it was outlawed. God knows where all Irelands stock has gone now that we've outlawed it too.
 
BZP is against the law in NZ now - 'herbal' can mean anything and people should be careful taking these pills. Legal does not automatically mean safe!

A lot of these companies use the word 'keytones' to hide a number of substances under including mephedrone so just be careful - if your using them do so when you have no other drugs in your system and avoid alcohol.

The true herbal pills are usually a waste of time and users normally say hot flushes, stomach pains, speedy thats about it.
 
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