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Piperazines

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yaesutom

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Hi, i've posted before (with lots of ...unfavorable opinions on piperazines).
I still use BZP (N-Benzylpiperazine Dihydrochloride) regularly, 2-3 times a week, still with no bad after effects. I've been giving capsules of this stuff (about 150-200mg per cap) to a lot of people, and have had NO complaints, everyone wants this shit from me "hey! i liked those pills can i get more? how much are they?".
I got a free 5 gram sample of TFMPP (1-(3-Trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine dihydrochloride), and ....this stuff sucks..slightly trippy but the side effects are awful, makes me feel cold, makes other people barf.
Now there's a ton of other wierd piperazines out there now, none of which i can find any info about, probably because no one has tested them out. I'm probably going to order more BZP, and the company i buy from usually is willing to send out free samples. Here's some other piperazines they offer:
N-Phenylethylpiperazine Dihydrochloride (Pepz?)
1-(2-Methoxyphenyl)piperazine hydrochloride
1-(3-Methoxyphenyl)piperazine hydrochloride
1-(4-Methoxyphenyl)piperazine hydrochloride
N,N-Methbenyzlpiperazine hydrochloride
1-Methyl-3-benzyl-4-piperazine hydrochloride
N-Phenyl piperazine
Now, since i can probably pick any of these for a "free sample", any idea's which to pick? Does anyone have any idea at all what the differences in the molecules would do? (affect seratonin in some way, etc.) Just looking for something "new" to try, even if it might suck, hell it'll probably be free. (yes, i know i am playing with research chemicals which not much is known about)
Doing some other searching on the net, i found other places selling what looks like almost hundreds more different variations of piperazines. There's gotta be SOME other "fun" piperazines besides BZP hopefully..
 
mCPP is meta-chlorophenylpiperazine. It is a strong serotonin releaser; however, it doesn't appear to be very fun[1]. Another reason why I get annoyed hearing hearing people talk about how "i am r0lling so good, i must have a lot of seratonin."
I can't help you with the piperazines... we really need a medicinal chemist for this one... Drug Dustbin, milquetoast, where are you?
[1] Tancer ME, Johanson CE. (2001) The subjective effects of MDMA and mCPP in moderate MDMA users. Drug Alcohol Depend 65:97-101.
 
Have you tried BZP and TMFPP together? I did this combo once with interesting results. I ended up taking some mushrooms with it as well, but that was a couple hours after I ingested the BZP and TMFPP. Almost like rolling, but not, some weird side effects, but overall I didn't mind the experience to much.
 
Smoking (tweak pipe) methBZP is nice as it does kind of give you rush and it doesnt last as long. TFMPP and BZP smoked together is also nice. I heard some of those new ones are better though,
 
How is methBZP compared to regular BZP? lasts shorter/longer? I have tried a BZP/TFMPP combo.. the TFMPP makes me feel "cold" and wierd all over, it was ok in low doses but if i take >100mg i'm feeling like shit, feel like i want to be in a hot shower just to feel warm enough..
Yeah if any of the other ones are supposed to be "better" or "more fun" i'd like to find out which one(s) and get a sample.
 
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