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Piperazine's pro's and con's

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Just to let you know a little bit about myself first. I was a regular ecstacy user from late 2001 until about mid 2005. In that time I had used or been high on MDMA probibly about 80 to 100 times. Around mid 2005 I started taking SSRI's for a severe depression disorder which I am glad to say that I have been able to manage to a level where I feel that I can stop taking my medication. So I have been unable to take pills for roughly 4 years. I did try a few times with known MDMA pills which had no effect for obvious reasons.

The point Im trying to make here is that since I've been off the pills for so long I have not yet been duped into consuming a piperazine pill. From what I have learnt from user reports here on bluelight the general consensus is to avoid this shit like the plague. But on the other hand there seems to be a large amount of people that have enjoyed their pipe experience.

What I want to know is what are the positive effects of pipes and the negative effects. Some say that whilst high on pipes it has a feeling very similer to that of MDMA while others say it will give you a mad headache and sick feeling. And does anyone know what classification the drug falls into? Does it have an effect on the serotonin levels in your brain?Has anyone had any glowing experiences on the drug? My curiosity about this drug has led me to wanting to try it just to better understand what all the fuss is about. And even though Im sure I would probibly regret the experience I want to try every drug there is at least once.

Oh yeah I dont want any replies from people saying "nah fuck that shit, pipes are fucked" or "pipes are a waste of time man" etc etc. I'm looking for more of a serious discussion about the topic based on peoples knowledge of the drug and user's experiences.
 
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The pipes probably wont have much of an effect either ....
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I think my innerself is planning to stop taking the anti depressant before taking any piperazines?

Check out the wikipedia page on piperazines for some of your chemistry type questions here
The common ones I've come across are BZP and TFMPP which are classed as a stimulant and hallucinogen respectively on wikipedia.

I tried piperazines (in a pill combining BZP and TFMPP) before I'd really read much about others experiences of them. I bought them legally on a trip to NZ. I can honestly say they were one of my best drug experiences (and I've tried plenty of drugs, MDMA, methamphetamine, heroin etc). They were extremely euphoric but with a clean mind feeling (more like speed than MDMA). The body experience was amazing - just waves of euphoria and tingles going through my body - my skin felt so alive! Hugely dilated pupils. Also opened everyone up - the conversations got really deep and personal.

The second time I bought them was online and the experience was quite different with these ones. I'm not sure of their exact composition but they were meant to be BZP pills. I could definitely feel a halluncinogenic effect with these pills - the best way I can describe it is a combination between the beginning of a mushy trip and the most intense MDMA you've ever experienced. The first time I took one of these pills would have to go down as one of my most intense drug experiences ever - it hit me hard and I wasn't expecting it at all - I ended up lying on a bench outside crown casino really having trouble coordinating myself - bit of nausea too. I'm usually pretty good at riding out uncomfortable drug experiences but this one was so intense it had me on the brink of anxiety. That lasted for about an hour and a half and then the rest of the trip was more like a typical MDMA experience. One thing I noticed with these pills was that the dosage in each pill seemed to vary a lot. My ex did the same amount as me that time and got hardly any effect - and the rest of the pills I took had nowhere near that effect.

One thing I also like about piperazines is I get no come down whatsoever - but then again I generally don't come down from MDMA or methamphetamine either.

So in all... when I've read other people's negative experiences I've been pretty confused. They've been very effective and very enjoyable for me. Maybe I just have a weird affinity to piperazines, I dunno! The first batch though all my friends had a similar experience to me, while the second some of my friends disliked them.
 
noone gives a fuck about what u 2 have to say.

firstly myinnerself ur post was just a regular fucking page ripped out of your diary/journal! so why should we reply to ur post with limited to zero potential benefit for other drug abusers of this forum? the information you seek cna be obtained throuh reading countless numbers of erowid trip reports. it just seems to me that u r wantin to replace YOUR (note how i use that term capitalised, cuz its obvious ur drug of choice is a pill a day to keep the blues away!) drug of choice with something else that still is known on the club scene as a lesser alternative and usually the result of shady drug dealings,

OH FUCK ME I JUST HAD/AM HAVING A PANIC ATTACK! FUCK ME. IM SERIOUS, EVEYRTHIN JUST WENT WEIRD, AND IT FEELS AS IF IM GOIN TO DIE OH SHIT WHEN WILL MY EARS POP! FUCK ME THIS SHIT IS SO FUKIN WEIRD, I OVERDID IT ONT HE WEEKEND......FUK THIS IMA STOP TYPIN NOW.

that was serious. thats what happens to me on a daily basis!
 
Ive experimented with pure 99% powders. BZP, Tfmpp and meOPP. The high was awesome, i actually like it almost more than MDMA. Gurning my face off, loved up everything u get with a clean good dose of MDMA but without the energy. The comedown is just unbearable. Vomiting, headaches, halucinations, extreme paranoia, unable to sleep eat or piss. Hot cold flushes and etc. Basically flu like symptoms.

If u want a good high but can tolerate the side effects afterwards give it a shot but its ur decision. I wouldnt go near the stuff. Its very toxic.
 
great replies so far guys thanks.

My favourite drug of all time is MDMA. I've been lucky in the past to be able to get hold of good qaulity pills. The pill scene I was involved in and around was at a good time in history. I've never known any other drug which is similer in feeling to MDMA. I've tried mushy's a few times which I thought was slightly similer and had high doses of strong crystal meth which had a similer floaty tingly feeling but was also alot different then XTC. So thats why this pipe stuff intrigues me. Some people are known to not even know the difference between the two drugs. But then again those people probibly haven't even tried good MDMA in the first place.
 
I havent take them, but I have heard that their pip stuff is similar to taking ecstasy or meth (depending on what pip you take). THe downfall, I have heard, is when people either mix pip with alcohol or with illicits. And Ive heard that the comedown is fucking horrendous.
 
my innerself said:
great replies so far guys thanks.

My favourite drug of all time is MDMA. I've been lucky in the past to be able to get hold of good qaulity pills. The pill scene I was involved in and around was at a good time in history. I've never known any other drug which is similer in feeling to MDMA. I've tried mushy's a few times which I thought was slightly similer and had high doses of strong crystal meth which had a similer floaty tingly feeling but was also alot different then XTC. So thats why this pipe stuff intrigues me. Some people are known to not even know the difference between the two drugs. But then again those people probibly haven't even tried good MDMA in the first place.
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MDMA and Piperazines effects are very simmilar but if u have had clean mdma before u know whats it like. The effects come in waves, one stage it hits u then goes away so u feel like ur rolling but then ur not. The high is dirtier and u dont have any energy whatsoever. U couldnt stand up and dance because ur body feels heavy from it unlike mdma where u feel light and like superman lol

Its illegal here in Australia but why bother with it? Everything thats mostly legal elsewhere is shit and thats why its legal. Im talkin bout pips, GBL, Salvia and others too. Personally i would never ever touch it again. I flushed 1kg down the toilet all up of the powders and gave my mates 20-30g each. One of them actually likes them and doesnt get a bad comedown as me. They snortede it so maybe thats why he doesnt get sick cos it all comes from the stomache. Its a hella bitch to snort that shit tho.
 
who_can_say said:
I havent take them, but I have heard that their pip stuff is similar to taking ecstasy or meth (depending on what pip you take). THe downfall, I have heard, is when people either mix pip with alcohol or with illicits. And Ive heard that the comedown is fucking horrendous.
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I have taken and mixed with a few drinks, the next day was similar to what sustanon said above, couldn't eat, piss, sleep, temp control all over the place, felt sick for a good 24 hrs, the pill was meant to be BZP possibly Mcpp (accorcing to PR).

I am not interested in experiencing pips again, once was enough!!!
 
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I have taken and mixed with a few drinks...
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I too did this, breaking all the rules on the packet lol. Back in 2005/2006 when they were legal in NZ and (I assume?) legal to import to Aus, I ordered a few free samples from a online shop in nz.

One time I had a few beers at a party then downed one of them. I felt a bit uneasy like I was starting to come up on MDMA but never quite getting there. I found the effects more similar to a mild dose of speed than anything else. Talked a lot of shit for a while. When it was time to go home maybe 2 hours after I had it I realised how messy I was. I was staggering about and in no state to drive, couldnt remember where my car was, fortunately the gf I had at the time drove my car for me. When I got home I felt like absolute shite. Nausea, insomnia, paranoia. I just lay on the floor feeling miserable. Not an expirience I would want to repeat.

None the less being a sucker for punishment I did try them again a few weeks later. This time I made sure I had no alcohol and stayed hydrated. This time it seemed both the speedy effects and the nasty after effects were greatly reduced.

I must say it annoys me that I hear of BZP pills flooding the market of late. I believe I had one at an event this summer. (blue ohm I think it was) It was the same sort of feeling. As if I was coming up on a pill for a while. I didnt mind it so much. I suspect the j's I had smoked mellowed the effects out somewhat. The Mrs also had the same blue ohm, she hated every minute of it. Felt awful, didnt know what was going on. Only felt better when she had a second (mdma this time!) pill. Again we broke all the rules that day. Not using the test kit and trusting a mates word on the quality of the blue ohms. It was only afterwards another mate told that he had seen reports on the net that they were pips..

end anti pip rant.
 
well I have had one good and one bad experience on pips. the first time was good i took around 3 total over the course of the night. took first at around 11pm. they were out pressed red ohms or horseshoe and the other was an blue outpressed puma. I knew they were pips and knew not to take them. ended up being convinced and we all took some. buzzed all night, left the club at 5am. you could definately tell it was MDMA but only just. at about 7am after walking around the city got home and started to trip out a little bit. you kinda just lose your shit talk absolute dribble nothing make sense but it was extremely funny. and was fun. was a annoying at about midday the next day as we couldnt sleep. spaced out, edgy at everything just feeling shit all over. but all in all was fun. However my GF had one of the bad pip experiences starting at about 6am came down and vomiting, extreme nausea feeling like death. She drank a lot that night were as me and my friend didnt.

2nd experience was on outpressed VW they were yellowish. downed only one and was extremely drunk at the time buzzed and shit for about an hour or two. Then I started vomiting and felt like death for hours and hours. sat on my ass and didnt see much of the festival I was at. Dont think I have felt that sick. Extreme nausea and nothing can fix it except time. However some friends took some and were having a good time. and on the comedown just felt really tripped out not in a good way.

I would advise to never do them. if you do them and get sick you will wish you never had taken one.

I think some could be ok like the first ones i took but you can never know how each dif one will effect you. and i would never risk it after how fucked I got from them the 2nd time.

hope this helps.
 
I had them a few months ago just to try, I wouldn't describe what they did to me as anything like MDMA apart from the dilated pupils which I got to enjoy. I felt completely withdrawn and introverted which isn't like me in a sober or "other" state, I didn't want to dance and laughing seemed weird. It was nothing like I had ever felt before, weird body load felt like I couldn't move properly and my mind would wander into my head. Then like the rest have said, terrible comedown, no sleep till lunchtime the next day, couldn't eat till the day after. I would never touch this stuff again, it was a nightmare and a waste of my money/ good day at a festival :(
 
Some time last year a few mates and I went to an event. We had a whole mixture of pills on us including some 'Purple Fish'. Five of us had one each, I felt nothing. Not even warm or energetic, I assumed they were shit and didn't touch anymore the rest of the night. My gf took one at 0100, 30 minutes later she started vomiting and felt like shit. She ended up spending 2.5hrs in Rave Safe before I dragged her arse out to hear the last DJ (with thanks to some charlie). We walked home and commenced a sunday session:
Four of us sat up, out the front of the house and dropped. Myself and another had a fish, the other two some blue stars. It's hard to explain the experience. Because I was expecting MDMA it took a while before I realised I was off chops. None of the typical hallmarks were there...I was lethargic, not energetic, felt restless and nervous not loved up or content. The one feature which really stood out was the amount of absolute shit we spun. Myself and the other lad who dropped the purple fishes (we had four each throughout the day, as well as some speed and charlie) talked endless amounts of absolute drivel, all day, non-stop. The other two, they just lay there entertained. The purple fishes gave us distorted visuals, like a weak hallucinogen, and came in waves. Neither of us could pass urine, both developing pain around our flanks. It took me 26hrs to pass urine, which isn't healthy, and getting to sleep that night was a bloody nightmare. It is hard to relay the extent of the experience in writing, but all of us there that day remember our session on the lawn as one of the best experiences ever. We truly had an enjoyable experience.

When I'm on acid or pills I talk shit, but this was different, I was talking and behaving like I was munted, but I had more control over my body (minus the distorted visuals, which were more like minor wavelength disturbances in vision). On pills I can be quite shakey, on these I had none of that but my body felt somewhat detached (although in a very different way to how ketamine makes you feel).
A month later at another event I was given another. Even though I had taken multiple pingers that day, I think it was the fish which within 30 minutes gave me the same detached, floating feeling.
I'm not exactly sure what was in the purple fish, though from what I can gather it was likely to be some kind of piperazine. It's not my preferred drug of choice, and I think it's shit that people sell us pipes under the name ecstasy, but given the chance I would give them another crack. My only advice, take them at home amongst friends, and enjoy the ride.
 
I used piperazines regularly for a couple of years before they were controlled and found them great. Yes the come down is not the greatest but they are so cheap. We were buying them from NZ for a few dollars a pill. Tried the whole family of piperazines and found them all quite enjoyable. Some are still legal in some Australian states.
 
Fuckin Shit,i do pills to feel fucked,these shitty things just feel border line tripping,yeah you get the giggles and that put you cant sleep for shit on the come down and you miss the whole point of banging a pill in the first place,to get FUCKED!! So bollocks to the dealers who papped this shit out on to the E market as pills because anyone who knows their pills knows this shit needs binning,fucking avoid it!!
 
I nearly ended up in an emergency room from blue ohms which was bzp/mcpp. Look at those reports and make up your own mind about bzp/mcpp pills. Anyone comparing them to mdxx pills has fucken no idea what there talking about. The high is nothing like mdma. You feel like you are on a stimulant, but very anxious, and constantly spewing. And this was only from 1 pill. Although I'm not sure if drinking alcohol before consuming the pill may have effected the experience.
 
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