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Pipe or Joint

^ I didn't think I'd find myself saying this, but I have to agree with Wave Jumper on that note. There was no definitive answer to what Safety had posted(no offense, Safety), and the source does seem slightly sketchy.

On another note...

Wave Jumper said:
'bout the rudeness: please don't take it too seriously, my only intend is to make some virtual friends in here ;). Ok, I admit I might have been a little too hasty and I appologize for that. I just couldn't and still can't get how someone could believe a joint consists of only one substance especially when English is their mother tongue. So when he said I had it up side down I actually thought there was a possibility he was just saying this to provoke me (like a troll would do). Adding to that the fact that this person's nickname is "stonedandrolling89" I assumed the worst, but I guess I shouldn't jump to conclusions too fast.
Now I understand his response was sincere, so I appologize for my harshness. :|

Also I didn't knew that you had to be a PLUR-adept to make posts in here. To me PLUR is something for ppl who lost contact with planet earth and started floating.
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No offense taken, it's the internet, man! Well, it looks like I'm on the other side of the spectrum here, and I couldn't(and still somewhat can't) see how a joint could exactly be cannabis and tobacco mix, as here in the States, a joint is just cannabis, no tobacco. You do make a valid argument though, as what we call a joint here in the US does not fit the definition of the actual word, whereas the cannabis+tobacco does. As Safety pointed out though, slang does vary (quite a bit, actually) from region to region, so I can see where all the confusion came from. Also, you shouldn't be so quick to judge someone by their online handle, as even though mine is 'stonedandrolling89', it does not make me the stereotypical e-tard/stoner that one would assume. I'm down with the PLUR, but I'm definitely not trying to push it on you, and you most certainly do not have to be 'PLUR-adept' to post here. Not sure if anybody's said it yet, but welcome to BL Wave Jumper!

Much love,
stonedandrolling89
 
Alright, alright, I agree that my source may not be the best... But at least I have a source :)

edit: Here's what wikipedia says on the matter.

Not for argument, just for interest, you know? There doesn't seem to be a definitive answer yes but here's some more info.

The word "joint" ultimately comes from French, where it is an adjective meaning "joined" (past participle of the verb joindre) derived from Latin iungo meaning "to join".

By 1821, "joint" had become an Anglo-Irish term for an annexe, or a side-room "joined" to a main room. By 1877, this had developed into U.S. slang for a (usually shady) "place, building, establishment", especially referring to an opium den. By 1935, "joint" was being used to refer to the hypodermic needles used to inject heroin and other drugs; this may have been influenced by the secondary meaning of "joint" in the sense of something done "in common" or shared. Its first usage in the sense of "marijuana cigarette" is dated to 1938. [6]

The term spliff is a West Indian word of Jamaican English origin[7], but has spread to several western countries, particularly Britain, Europe, Canada and the United States. Its precise etymology is unknown, but it is attested as early as 1936. While Jamaican spliffs are generally conical in shape, those elsewhere tend to be cylindrical and of varying lengths. "Spliff" can also sometimes refer to various styles of marijuana or hashish cigarette rolled with a mixture of cannabis and tobacco.[8]

There are a tremendous number of additional terms for joint including Biffa (Or Biffting), J (a shortened version of joint), and Doobie.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_(cannabis)
 
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Thanks for the welcome S&R89. It was a combination of factors that made me interprete things the wrong way.

So I guess we can conclude that in America 'joint' is used to refer to a pure marihuana cigarette. It makes it all very complicated because when a100unitshot is saying 'and don't use too much weed (don't roll a blimp)' I would think he means that he likes to cut back on the weed and add more tobacco, but this is obviously not the case.

I always thought reefer or stick were commonly used in America (just like in 'reefer madness' ), but those words are clearly no longer used in practice.

In general I'm not a big fan of the American culture (to me it symbolizes capitalism and democracy in it's worst form), but on the other hand there are many things I do appreciate. So many cool music has been created over there (Detroit techno, the Chicago acid house scene and so on) and the fact you smoke your weed pure is also a very positive aspect to me. Maybe there's a connection between those two?;)

Bout the PLUR-thing: I don't wanna push anyone into anything, but I do believe that one day (better soon than late) you need to move on.
 
Wave Jumper said:
So I'll continue wasting my time here in an attempt to ... I forgot ;)

Seriously, what have you been smoking? In general I'd say it's not a good idea to make posts when you're under the influence (of no matter what substance). Your reply makes no sense at all.8)



Why is it called joint, because two substances come together, hence a joint. In casu cannabis and tobacco. You're saying it's marihuana rolled up into a cigarette, without tobacco. That is what we call a reefer. Sigh.



Spliff is a german word for joint, poindexter.



Wrong again, it's not the same concept of the joint as there is no tobacco involved. You are right on the fact that it burns slower, but it's still is an extremely wastefull procedure IMO.





Apparently you don't know but here in Europe the majority smokes joints and they make no exception for hash. They just put it on a bed of tobacco and waste their precious hash that way. Still I agree with you that it's wastefull to do so, eventhough you think a reefer is a joint. Hash is obviously best smoked in a pipe, bong or vaporizer.

Last time a reply to some E-tard-like feedback...
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nah, a joint has no tobacco, though I guess you're from europe so it might be different

as far as I know its broken down like this

joint=straight weed
blunt=weed + cigar leaf (or just tobacco)
spliff= hash cigarette

though we might as well agree to disagree, most people just use em interchangebly
 
I'd definitely say use your bowl. A bowl/pipe or bong will get you higher than a joint off the same amount of weed. I'll occasionally be in the mood for a blunt, and I've gotten amazingly stoned from them before, but the same amount of weed in a good bong would've gone even further.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Wave Jumper said:
Wrong again, it's not the same concept of the joint as there is no tobacco involved. You are right on the fact that it burns slower, but it's still is an extremely wastefull procedure IMO.
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There is no tobacco involved in a blunt? You sure about that one? Cigars are 100% Tobacco.
 
Also, pipe without a doubt. Pack a large enough hit to take enough in one and toke away, if you don't get as high as you wanted to pack another. Rinse and repeat.
 
Well, lets see.

I smoke my pipe, and I have a $3 a day pot habit.

I smoke joints, and I have a $20 or $30 a day pot habit.
 
stonedandrolling89 said:
Pipes are more efficient, and smoking a bowl holds a special place in my heart.

Then again, I love the ritual of rolling a good joint, and it's nice every now and then. If I'm going to roll something up, I prefer to roll a blunt over a joint. Nothing like having a blunt last a good 20-30 minutes, compared to a 5-10 minute joint.

Just my two cents...
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Man I totally agree with you on that. My pipe holds a special place in my heart and I smoked out of it last night and one bowl was enough to make my friend and I higher than heaven.
 
harley89 said:
Cigars are 100% Tobacco.
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For sure. Obviously what I meant to say is that there is no loose tobacco involved like in the "European" joint. I'm well aware that a cigar leave is made of tobacco and contains nicotine. There are indeed some who, falsely, think that they are smoking tobacco free when they smoke a blunt...

In an attempt to stay on topic: I personally think it's always wastefull to roll a joint (even when it's a pure marihuana cigarette). The weed I'm smokin' is so strong I couldn't imagine smoking an entire joint on my own. I just fill a pipe once or twice and that's more than enough. Also that way you can easily spread it out over the entire evening (if you know what I mean, sorry for my broken english). A "joint" (pure one) can be practical at a party when you want to pass in around, but that's about it. And even then it would be more effective to pass around a bong or pipe. For me rizla's are obsolete.

I should remark that I'm currently a very moderate user (once a week and definetely no more then .25 g), but that used to be very different.
 
Wave Jumper said:
For sure. Obviously what I meant to say is that there is no loose tobacco involved like in the "European" joint. I'm well aware that a cigar leave is made of tobacco and contains nicotine. There are indeed some who, falsely, think that they are smoking tobacco free when they smoke a blunt...
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No prob man, just misunderstanding :D
 
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