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Pills of today vs. pills of 2+years ago.
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Well........
Raas,
Sarcasism does not suite you well. It seems as if we BOTH got off on the wrong foot. I know at times I may seem very arrogant and argurmentative, but hey, that' my personality. I am sure the added Test in my body doesn't help
You have your "views" and I have mine. Let's just leave it at that. Just try to be a little more "open minded" and you might learn something new.
It's refreshing to see that some (mashead,diatribe) can actually see thru the smoke and mirrors. Props to you both for being logical.
I stand FIRM in all of my statements because they are true.
Just don't take my KINDNESS for WEAKNESS.
Now let's get back on topic.
Model
Raas,
Sarcasism does not suite you well. It seems as if we BOTH got off on the wrong foot. I know at times I may seem very arrogant and argurmentative, but hey, that' my personality. I am sure the added Test in my body doesn't help
You have your "views" and I have mine. Let's just leave it at that. Just try to be a little more "open minded" and you might learn something new.
It's refreshing to see that some (mashead,diatribe) can actually see thru the smoke and mirrors. Props to you both for being logical.
I stand FIRM in all of my statements because they are true.
Just don't take my KINDNESS for WEAKNESS.
Now let's get back on topic.
Model
interesting... i live in the US but i spent the last half year in London, and I can say that Londoners certainly take more pills than people in Dallas. As for the rest of the US, im not sure... i just find it somewhat surprising that the US take more. After all, penalties for having a pill on you is much MUCH stiffer than the penalties in Europe. Also, if you can find a decent pill over here for less than $12 (and thats buying quantity) then you are a better man than I. Whereas if you pay more than 5 pounds ($8 or so) for a pill in London you have a shitty ass connection. I know I dont speak for the entire population of the US, but i just cant afford to party here like I did in the US. Im not questioning the validity of your statements, just stating my surprise.
Motherslug
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Don't you think this is a little speculative?
A general rule of supply and demand states that:
lower prices = more sales
This would lead me to believe that more pills are bought in Europe...
Understandable....................................
Penalties for drug possession and/or use is beside the topic. It really has no relavance. Most people don't care about the legalities of the substances they choose to use or abuse.
But I see you point. People can state that when anything is outlawed to let's say a schedule one substance in the States that it adds to the "mystic" to the substance.
When something is decriminalized to a certain degree use spikes then tapers off gradualy over the course of a few years. Case in point, Holland, Israeal, etc...
Until places such as the United States realizes that it's better to decriminlize and tax certain substances and use the funds to help those who want treatment and or other noteworthy programs that the "Drug war" is a total farce.
But's it's true the United States is by far the biggest consumer of almost ALL illicit substances.
Model
Penalties for drug possession and/or use is beside the topic. It really has no relavance. Most people don't care about the legalities of the substances they choose to use or abuse.
But I see you point. People can state that when anything is outlawed to let's say a schedule one substance in the States that it adds to the "mystic" to the substance.
When something is decriminalized to a certain degree use spikes then tapers off gradualy over the course of a few years. Case in point, Holland, Israeal, etc...
Until places such as the United States realizes that it's better to decriminlize and tax certain substances and use the funds to help those who want treatment and or other noteworthy programs that the "Drug war" is a total farce.
But's it's true the United States is by far the biggest consumer of almost ALL illicit substances.
Model
tathra
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Motherslug said:
its also got to do with how big the supply is compared to the demand (supply<demand==higher prices), and how much people are willing to pay. a LOT of mdxa is manufactured over in europe because its a lot easier to obtain the precursors (if i remember correctly), so the supply is much higher, while in america, a lot of it has to be imported from overseas, and the supply is generally much less, while the demand is just as high, if not higher, plus there's all the markups for profit as the pills change hands, from dealer to dealer, before they ever actually reach the consumers.
Motherslug
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Do you mean as a whole or substance for substance?
Well....................................
Tarthra has the right idea. As far as the States being the biggest consumer of illicit substances, I a talking about MOST not all.
Concerning actual "statistics" to prove one way or another, that's very difficult to do. As most information concerning "statistics" are prepared by each countries Narcotics Enforcement, and as we all know these reports are often peppered with "propaganda" and "misinformation"
I speak with somewhat "personal" knowledge in the "field"
Model
Tarthra has the right idea. As far as the States being the biggest consumer of illicit substances, I a talking about MOST not all.
Concerning actual "statistics" to prove one way or another, that's very difficult to do. As most information concerning "statistics" are prepared by each countries Narcotics Enforcement, and as we all know these reports are often peppered with "propaganda" and "misinformation"
I speak with somewhat "personal" knowledge in the "field"
Model
Motherslug
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Tathra's post does not explain why America's MDMA consumption may or may not be higher than europe's, it just explains why American pills are more expensive and that America has a shorter supply of the drug...
Plain in simple..............
Americans as a whole is the "richest" country in the world, not including some of the smaller ARAB states, where the medium income is higher than that of the U.S. Americans are WILLING and ABLE to spend more on "pills" that's why the prices are so high. They consume much more of just about everything. Americans are known to be "glutinous" in their activities.
American buy more, consume more, of just about everything that is sold. This is no secret, it's called economics.
There is really NO SHORT supply of these drugs in the U.S maybe to some but to the majority there is not. Those that use and abuse (Tobacco, Alcohol, or anything illicit due so in LARGE quantities) this is why we have such a HIGH drug abuse problem in the States, in all rings of society.
Model
Americans as a whole is the "richest" country in the world, not including some of the smaller ARAB states, where the medium income is higher than that of the U.S. Americans are WILLING and ABLE to spend more on "pills" that's why the prices are so high. They consume much more of just about everything. Americans are known to be "glutinous" in their activities.
American buy more, consume more, of just about everything that is sold. This is no secret, it's called economics.
There is really NO SHORT supply of these drugs in the U.S maybe to some but to the majority there is not. Those that use and abuse (Tobacco, Alcohol, or anything illicit due so in LARGE quantities) this is why we have such a HIGH drug abuse problem in the States, in all rings of society.
Model
Right, Model. This should interest you -
Quote taken from http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,6044041%5E1702,00.html
Just because America is a big country, does not neccessarily mean they have to eat the most pills. Apparantly they're not appetising enough.. lol j/k
Quote taken from http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,6044041%5E1702,00.html
Just because America is a big country, does not neccessarily mean they have to eat the most pills. Apparantly they're not appetising enough.. lol j/k
Well...................
Reports like that should never be beileved. They are done to help legislatures help divert money for the "Drug Problem" which the funds usually go somewhere else. Never quote any info from a newspaper and even sometimes the countries in question, Government. It's called propaganda, used to frighten and curtail drug use.
I speak from experience.
BTW- Crystal is most abuse in Maylasia and "other" semi, Asian countries.
Model
Reports like that should never be beileved. They are done to help legislatures help divert money for the "Drug Problem" which the funds usually go somewhere else. Never quote any info from a newspaper and even sometimes the countries in question, Government. It's called propaganda, used to frighten and curtail drug use.
I speak from experience.
BTW- Crystal is most abuse in Maylasia and "other" semi, Asian countries.
Model
The YES for Crystal meth is as it is used more in USA than Europe. Ce comprende?
It wasn't a tabloid bullshit piece, it was a quote from an annual ecstasy report - which has no need to lie.
Go on then Model.. if you are right, find us just ONE source on the Internet that claims Pills are eaten more in America than Europe... just one source....prove us wrong.
PS - don't make ur own site up!
It wasn't a tabloid bullshit piece, it was a quote from an annual ecstasy report - which has no need to lie.
Go on then Model.. if you are right, find us just ONE source on the Internet that claims Pills are eaten more in America than Europe... just one source....prove us wrong.
PS - don't make ur own site up!
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I don't think they're as good as 10 years ago but that's just my opinion. I only roll every couple of months now and still don't get as much off 1 as I used to. Back then they were £15 and you only needed1 for a great night. Nowadays they're £2 but you seem to need loads to get the same effect. I could be wrong but they don't seem anywhere near as good.
i'd agree that most media given information from the US on drug statistics will be completely biased, as the DEA and other governmental organisations seem to be willing to say/do anything to convince the US public that drugs are awful terrible things that must be destroyed at any cost (eat shit Ashcroft)
I'd also agree that the "war on drugs" is the most wastful campaign ever run by the US, in terms of both time and money. Every statistic shows that drug use and availability in the U.S. has remained constant for the past decade, despite the govt wasting $50 billion of taxpayer money every year to eradicate these "harmful substances" Instead of wasting this money in a completely futile effort, the govt could be raking in money from taxes, as model stated. Its not as if 'sin taxes' are unheard of in the US anyways (i.e. alcohol and cigarettes).
I realize this is a bit off tangent, but oh well =P
I'd also agree that the "war on drugs" is the most wastful campaign ever run by the US, in terms of both time and money. Every statistic shows that drug use and availability in the U.S. has remained constant for the past decade, despite the govt wasting $50 billion of taxpayer money every year to eradicate these "harmful substances" Instead of wasting this money in a completely futile effort, the govt could be raking in money from taxes, as model stated. Its not as if 'sin taxes' are unheard of in the US anyways (i.e. alcohol and cigarettes).
I realize this is a bit off tangent, but oh well =P
Well............
Come on now Raas,
You don't believe that "some" of these "actual" reports are privately funded, do you? There is always some agenda behind everyone of these types of articles. Most of these survey's CANNOT be conducted without the aid of the hosting countries bankroll. Be realistic, you WILL never find "accurate information" concerning statistics concerning drug use/abuse.
Have you ever thought why a private company/person or agency would want to find out the "statistics" of drug use of a particular substance. Think about it, what would these organizations have to gain with these costly studies? They sure in hell don't have the money that the hosting country does, to do any good. So if , anything, they are subsidized. Every stop and think "WHO" is helping with the funding? Take a moment, and think about it.
"True" statistics are a widely covered "secret". Why? Well the worse things sound/or the better to the countries population, helps certain "bill" pass or "not" to better, not the country but their agenda(s) that most of the population doesn't know about.
One word "PROPAGANDA". The only reason I stand so adamite about this view, is I am SURE I have access to information that you don't. And NO, I can't release that information or my sources due to obvious reasons. If you think that is bullshit, well that is your view. Thankfully there are many who've contacted me and who have posted that realise and hold the same view as myself because it's "LOGICAL". Learn to think on your own, not what 'others' implant into your brain. Surprise, Surprise, the GOVERNMENT, no matter where you live IS NOT your best friend. Don't take everything for face value.
Model
Come on now Raas,
You don't believe that "some" of these "actual" reports are privately funded, do you? There is always some agenda behind everyone of these types of articles. Most of these survey's CANNOT be conducted without the aid of the hosting countries bankroll. Be realistic, you WILL never find "accurate information" concerning statistics concerning drug use/abuse.
Have you ever thought why a private company/person or agency would want to find out the "statistics" of drug use of a particular substance. Think about it, what would these organizations have to gain with these costly studies? They sure in hell don't have the money that the hosting country does, to do any good. So if , anything, they are subsidized. Every stop and think "WHO" is helping with the funding? Take a moment, and think about it.
"True" statistics are a widely covered "secret". Why? Well the worse things sound/or the better to the countries population, helps certain "bill" pass or "not" to better, not the country but their agenda(s) that most of the population doesn't know about.
One word "PROPAGANDA". The only reason I stand so adamite about this view, is I am SURE I have access to information that you don't. And NO, I can't release that information or my sources due to obvious reasons. If you think that is bullshit, well that is your view. Thankfully there are many who've contacted me and who have posted that realise and hold the same view as myself because it's "LOGICAL". Learn to think on your own, not what 'others' implant into your brain. Surprise, Surprise, the GOVERNMENT, no matter where you live IS NOT your best friend. Don't take everything for face value.
Model
So in other words you cannot find one source to back up your idea?
I am aware that the government and DEA can have bias... but if they are all biassed as you suggest, then surely either europe or USA would be complaining against the statistics suggesting most pills are sold in Europe.
Here's how it works, son.
Due to a leanience in laws within the eurpean countries Holland and Belgium, there is many, many huge ecstasy laboratries. There is other labotaries over the world, but the heart of it all is in Holland.
Because of this, pills are more easily transported around Europe by crime syndacates, europe see's huge numbers of pills coming in at very low prices. The demand is therefore higher, as users can get hold of as many pills as they like at a very reasonable price.
Because of this, America gets fewer pills and the price of them is thus very high. (upto 3 or 4 times that of the UK) and a lot of fake pills are also produced because of this (less pure consistancy according to Erowid).
Not only this - but the population of Europe is a lot higher than that of America, so it is no wonder there is more pills consumed.
It doesn't surprise me that every drug report, and unbiassed pages (erowid, dancesafe) tell that Europe consumes many many more ecstasy tablets than aywhere else in the world.
You're suggestion that it is in fact America that buys more pills, as they "buy more of everything" seems very ignorant. Then the fact your only reason for coming out with this view is that you have "special contacts", to me, this is very obvious bullshit from a man who cannot back up his opinion.
I do not believe you have special contacts. I've alreayd proved you to be a liar about the firewall thing, and moderator even referred to you as a troll as your lies are so blatant.
If you are going to lie, at least come up with a greater, more logical claim than America consumes more pills than Europe.
I am aware that the government and DEA can have bias... but if they are all biassed as you suggest, then surely either europe or USA would be complaining against the statistics suggesting most pills are sold in Europe.
Here's how it works, son.
Due to a leanience in laws within the eurpean countries Holland and Belgium, there is many, many huge ecstasy laboratries. There is other labotaries over the world, but the heart of it all is in Holland.
Because of this, pills are more easily transported around Europe by crime syndacates, europe see's huge numbers of pills coming in at very low prices. The demand is therefore higher, as users can get hold of as many pills as they like at a very reasonable price.
Because of this, America gets fewer pills and the price of them is thus very high. (upto 3 or 4 times that of the UK) and a lot of fake pills are also produced because of this (less pure consistancy according to Erowid).
Not only this - but the population of Europe is a lot higher than that of America, so it is no wonder there is more pills consumed.
It doesn't surprise me that every drug report, and unbiassed pages (erowid, dancesafe) tell that Europe consumes many many more ecstasy tablets than aywhere else in the world.
You're suggestion that it is in fact America that buys more pills, as they "buy more of everything" seems very ignorant. Then the fact your only reason for coming out with this view is that you have "special contacts", to me, this is very obvious bullshit from a man who cannot back up his opinion.
I do not believe you have special contacts. I've alreayd proved you to be a liar about the firewall thing, and moderator even referred to you as a troll as your lies are so blatant.
If you are going to lie, at least come up with a greater, more logical claim than America consumes more pills than Europe.
Well...........
Learn to be a leader not a follower. By the way "troll" mean my association with certain agencies, and groups.
Damn, man! Learn to read between the lines. In your views I can tell that your not as educated in this area as you beleive.
Believe what you will, as the most know the "truth"
Listen and learn!
Model
Learn to be a leader not a follower. By the way "troll" mean my association with certain agencies, and groups.
Damn, man! Learn to read between the lines. In your views I can tell that your not as educated in this area as you beleive.
Believe what you will, as the most know the "truth"
Listen and learn!
Model