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[blim]

The snowballs appeared at a time when the other pills were very low strength.

We were told the snowballs were strong and to do half but we didn't listen as we had had so many shit pills over the previous months.

To say they floored us is an understatement. We were at a house party in the middle of nowhere and the music was in the cellar. It took us about 4 hours to peel ourselves off the cushions and go downstairs, and even then we lasted 5 minutes and had to go back to the sanctuary of the cushions and our visuals.

Happy days:D

 

[andgy2777]

Ive been dabbling with pills since the mid 90s, never really over done them, never double dropped. I'm pretty sure there was something about the pills back then, I think maybe they were just stronger. I do remember a drought when all the pills were bunk because the chemicals used were restricted. Then the original mitsi came out, mega strong and using method of production

 

[ecsplosiv]

I have to voice my scepticism here -- recently there was a site linked that showed lab results from 90's pills. What struck me about those results were that the dosages were if anything lower than they are today. These days pills with >100mg are common, in the 90s the vast majority of pills were 60-90mg. Nothing special at all. Almost all of them were MDMA too, sure there was the odd exception but MDEA, MDA and speedy pills are pretty much a myth in this country.

Funnily enough when I was new to taking MDMA, pills with around 80mg got me rushing like a mad man. Now I could probably neck 10 of the same pills and not be close to where I was.

You only have to talk to people from different eras to see the pattern, it has to be tolerance accumulation and waning novelty. Everyone says the pills of the era when they started were better. They weren't. Simples. Sure there are some exceptions like those '92 snowballs and the strong mitzies in the late 90s. But seriously. Come on.

The acid test is to give a modern pill like an orange VW to a completely new person and somehow confirm that the person is "in another world" for several hours, in a good way ... Yeah its tough isn't it. You only know you have lost it, when you have lost it.

 

[blim]

The only "pills" other than snowballs I remember being super strong in 90-92 were dennis the menaces and rhubarb and custards and they were caps so don't count.

I foolishly double dropped 2 different caps the first time I had MDMA in 1990, I never did get back to that place, not for want of trying.

 

[ecsplosiv]

Another fond memory of insane rushing is that you are so fucked you become progressively less-aware of your surroundings, in levels. i.e. you may forget about the DJ because you are so connected with the people directly around you, then as you come out of it, you start to become aware of the room and people further away. Crazy

 

[red&black]

The only "pills" other than snowballs I remember being super strong in 90-92 were dennis the menaces and rhubarb and custards and they were caps so don't count.

I foolishly double dropped 2 different caps the first time I had MDMA in 1990, I never did get back to that place, not for want of trying.

Red & black and red & yellow caps were immense, super clean.... phaze 4s, china whites and various disco biscuits were others about in 91 that would blow your bollocks off, certainly no need for mulitple drops, you must have been a right state

 

[red&black]

I have to voice my scepticism here -- recently there was a site linked that showed lab results from 90's pills. What struck me about those results were that the dosages were if anything lower than they are today. These days pills with >100mg are common, in the 90s the vast majority of pills were 60-90mg. Nothing special at all. Almost all of them were MDMA too, sure there was the odd exception but MDEA, MDA and speedy pills are pretty much a myth in this country.

Funnily enough when I was new to taking MDMA, pills with around 80mg got me rushing like a mad man. Now I could probably neck 10 of the same pills and not be close to where I was.

You only have to talk to people from different eras to see the pattern, it has to be tolerance accumulation and waning novelty. Everyone says the pills of the era when they started were better. They weren't. Simples. Sure there are some exceptions like those '92 snowballs and the strong mitzies in the late 90s. But seriously. Come on.

The acid test is to give a modern pill like an orange VW to a completely new person and somehow confirm that the person is "in another world" for several hours, in a good way ... Yeah its tough isn't it. You only know you have lost it, when you have lost it.

I'd be interested to look at this site, I'd be very very surprised if the vast majority of pills around 90-93 were not way more than 60 - 90 mg....

 

[Si Dread]

1992 snowballs 200 mg of mda, 1 would floor you.....

Oh God dont remind me... In all my years of pill-dropping (Xmas 1992 first drop) them fucking snowballs were the ONLY time I ever got more than I bargained for... I took a quarter coz all my mates had 10-pills-a-night tolerance & were like, "one of these & I was SORTED!"

Anyway, that quarter pill was still a massive OD of mda & I spent the night in a anxiety ridden, paranoid mess at a rave where the bouncers wouldnt let you sit down on the floor or take of your T shirt... Eventually I found a table in a dark spot & sat under it until the rave finished... There wasnt much in the way of hangover luckilly but I was very depressed that I'd had such a shite night & gave them up for 6 months or so... I'd say this woulda been, what, 1993 or 1994... It was around the time The Shamen made number one with Eezer Goode Lol

 

[red&black]

Oh God dont remind me... In all my years of pill-dropping (Xmas 1992 first drop) them fucking snowballs were the ONLY time I ever got more than I bargained for... I took a quarter coz all my mates had 10-pills-a-night tolerance & were like, "one of these & I was SORTED!"

Anyway, that quarter pill was still a massive OD of mda & I spent the night in a anxiety ridden, paranoid mess at a rave where the bouncers wouldnt let you sit down on the floor or take of your T shirt... Eventually I found a table in a dark spot & sat under it until the rave finished... There wasnt much in the way of hangover luckilly but I was very depressed that I'd had such a shite night & gave them up for 6 months or so... I'd say this woulda been, what, 1993 or 1994... It was around the time The Shamen made number one with Eezer Goode Lol

Ha ha, I dont think you were alone with your experience, I remember being in clubs and you could tell who had dropped snowballs, they were the ones sat on their arses struggling to walk let alone dance.... They were the days

 

[mattnotrik]

I have to voice my scepticism here -- recently there was a site linked that showed lab results from 90's pills. What struck me about those results were that the dosages were if anything lower than they are today. These days pills with >100mg are common, in the 90s the vast majority of pills were 60-90mg. Nothing special at all. Almost all of them were MDMA too, sure there was the odd exception but MDEA, MDA and speedy pills are pretty much a myth in this country.

Funnily enough when I was new to taking MDMA, pills with around 80mg got me rushing like a mad man. Now I could probably neck 10 of the same pills and not be close to where I was.

You only have to talk to people from different eras to see the pattern, it has to be tolerance accumulation and waning novelty. Everyone says the pills of the era when they started were better. They weren't. Simples. Sure there are some exceptions like those '92 snowballs and the strong mitzies in the late 90s. But seriously. Come on.

The acid test is to give a modern pill like an orange VW to a completely new person and somehow confirm that the person is "in another world" for several hours, in a good way ... Yeah its tough isn't it. You only know you have lost it, when you have lost it.

Just had a quick look on ecstacy data trying to look for these very high dosed pills everyone has been talking about back then, it only really goes as far back as 1996, but it does seem like there are alot of adulterated pills, almost the same as today.

These are the first few ever recorded ones on E- Data

Apple 131mg - 96'
Chicken - 106mg 96'
Playboy - 14mg - 96
Playboy - 28mg 96'
Playboy - 159mg 96'
Dove - 134mg 96'
Dove - 111mg 96'
Rolex - 65mg 96'
Plain Tablet - 46,67 mg 96'

Lots of MDA, and MDEA pills though, you dont see many of them about anymore.

 

[jancrow]

I'm guessing that one of the heavy playboys was my first pill. I think I barfed on the comeup after taking half, felt a bit anxious etc and decided to take the second half. Most of the rest of the night was spent sitting under a camo net in the chillout room feeling as though the whole world was made of love, waves of which were rippling across the globe and converging on the middle of my scalp. I definitely couldn't dance.

 

[whitedove]

Just thinking of a story my uncle told me of a pill he took about 15 years ago, it was so good that when he arrived at the nightclub, he thought the whole place was waiting for him to arrive! That's some feeling!!! Thinkin' you the man
Don't think he remembers what the pill was unfortunately.

 

[tm1210]

Just thinking of a story my uncle told me of a pill he took about 15 years ago, it was so good that when he arrived at the nightclub, he thought the whole place was waiting for him to arrive! That's some feeling!!! Thinkin' you the man
Don't think he remembers what the pill was unfortunately.

I would have turned into an anxious mess at the door and fucked off home

 

[androoo]

Dreamscape in Tottenham, 1999.. Xmas trees, my first 2 pills ever.. packed full of MDA and combined with some sweaty bastad hugging me and me losing my glasses.. was a very colourful and interesting night

got home, passed out and woke up to find my mum had given me a makeover.. blue eyeliner, bright red lipstick and the word 'TWAT' written on my forehead.. who needs drunk mates when you got ya mum!

 

[ecsplosiv]

Just had a quick look on ecstacy data trying to look for these very high dosed pills everyone has been talking about back then, it only really goes as far back as 1996, but it does seem like there are alot of adulterated pills, almost the same as today.

These are the first few ever recorded ones on E- Data

Apple 131mg - 96'
Chicken - 106mg 96'
Playboy - 14mg - 96
Playboy - 28mg 96'
Playboy - 159mg 96'
Dove - 134mg 96'
Dove - 111mg 96'
Rolex - 65mg 96'
Plain Tablet - 46,67 mg 96'

Lots of MDA, and MDEA pills though, you dont see many of them about anymore.

Hey Matt,

The average of those mgs is 86.1 -- so it slightly goes to show that the average strength of pills has not radically changed in the interim time.

Fair play if there were lots of MDA and MDEA pills shown. On the one hand you could ask "why don't we have MDA pills now" but clearly reading some of the recent posts describing them -- they are not for everyone! A pill maker is clearly going to reduce risk and go for MDMA.

 

[Treacle]

This is brings me to another point. I too noticed that the comedown on the green recycles and the pink diamonds was far less severe than I expected. It was barely noticeable even. Now this type of comedown is completely different to the E's of old, eg. 1996-9. Back then you got twice as high and as a result the comedown was twice as bad. These current ones don't get you nearly as high but have a far less marked recovery process.

The older pills probably had MDA in them, as well.

 

[Treacle]

MDA and speedy pills are pretty much a myth in this country

Complete bollocks. Mashead (an old Bluelighter) used to get pills lab tested all the time, and there was MDA in plenty of them.

 

[red&black]

Complete bollocks. Mashead (an old Bluelighter) used to get pills lab tested all the time, and there was MDA in plenty of them.

This....

 

[Whatsthecraic]

Everybody is Right (& Wrong)

Interesting to read the comments on this thread and have to say that, as with most things it all comes down to the individual. My first e was at the start of 1993 and it was simply a dove and it was fantastic - Give me that Hooooly Fuck this is Greeeeeeaaat feeling and left me wondering why everybody did not know about this etc etc. Since then went through every week looking forward to my weekend adventure and paying £10 per pill and every time they were great. This was ok for a while until, like most people in this part of the world, I pushed things harder and harder looking for that magic again. I always had alcohol with my pills and this ended up at a silly stage. Anyway the pills I got were always top class (As was mostly the case in Northern Ireland - Even if you read info from Nicholas Saunders he will confirm this) and I believe at some point most pills coming into the UK came via here (Paramilitary groups had to make some money somewhere). In 1998/99 the market was flooded with Mitsubishi pills that were very very good and as someone has already pointed out (Via Mixmag) that this saved clubland to a degree as clubs had started to close. After this is when things changed and most of this is down to a number of factors - Closer control of key precursors - Chemists looking at different chemicals and demand dropping for MDMA. We have ended up were we are due to normal changes in trends along with the other factors combining. In terms of different types of MDMA, as such, it is possible. If you read the edition of mixmag mentioned in a previous post the researcher does have a meeting with one of the main people behind the Mitsubishi's and he confirms using Safrole again to make pills so maybe the did use a different synth method even back then!! Making drugs is like any other business and trying different ways with less cost / risk will always happen. In terms of better pills then compared to now nobody will ever know and I think Bearlove is correct when he says it is alll down to Settings / Scene / Place and how you feel although to be honest the original "magic" of your first / best E will never come back - Thats just life.

 

[Evad]

I was curious and asked about different synthesis routes producing a different "type" of MDMA in advanced drug discussion here and received this response

there is a general rule that a synthesis that doesn't involve chiral reagents does not make a chiral product or even a slight excess of one enantiomer over the other.

Many people report differing mdma 'magic' over time, tIf we assume this is real and not selective memory and nostalgia the most likely explanation is that in ecstacy pills the dose fell and the constitution changed quite a lot over time.

Forensic analysis in Europe shows that in the 1980's ecstacy was mostly just MDMA then from about 1988 onwards it was MDMA and amphetamine (and often caffeine) mixture in quite high doses until perhaps the late 90's then probably due to developments in Poland the amphetamine and content dropped and it went to MDMA caffeine with ever decreasing doses.

Also throw into the mix MDEA in the mid to late 1990's large quantities of MDA for a couple of years in the early 90's, MBDB for a short while in the late 1990's then increasing amounts of various piperazines from 2000 onwards.

As far as I am aware clandestine (read badly purified) MDMA from piperonal of MDP2P or from safrole all the standard routes are practically identical, the impurities are not there in sufficient amounts to have an effect. there are sufficient impurities to identify the route used but I cannot see traces of safrole or mdp2p or nasty nitrostyrene polymers or whatever having any effect

I also think people have serous nostalgia problems, the first few times are likely to be more impressive because of the novelty (or perhaps before the brain damage kicks in )

so i don't believe there is any weight in the different synthesis routes being responsible for changes in MDMA effects.