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i had a batch tested MDMA+MDA at 240mg. it is popular there but personally heavy MDxx use caught up with me quick through the college years; i dont think i can mention price but was fortunate to have a very cheap source at the time. i could see that being the for irregular (1-2x/mo) LONG term users gradual desensitization over the years and decades. tons of 2cb pills, too, so it's not as if they're ignoring the unsustainability of frequent MDxx.
 
Yeah - I managed to stop the first person I knew who liked to play that good old 'double drop' game MDA which they HUGELY preferred. Now one isn't statistically useful, but it MAY be the case that for a while someone was selling MDA in pills so people who grew up with MDA pills thought the MDMA ones were 'weak'. Just a hypothesis. Certainly this person sought the whole 'sledging' MDA provides at a lower dose. Like one LONG rush but not once to dance to. One to sit and just... hang on, I guess.
 
4DQSAR said:
Yeah - a decade or more ago a friend mentioned that there were pills with crazy amounts of MDMA in them. We never quite figured out what the logic was. It wasn't limited to a single die, colour or region/nation.

First I heard of it was in The Netherlands, Now everyone has a friend who likes to boast that they 'double drop' pills but that's a minority and a pretty dumb thing to be proud of.
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Many of them come out of batches that also have extremely underdosed pills, as someone who can't speak a lot on it but has worked with pill pressing in the past, I suspect that this occurs due to a lack of thorough homogenization of the final bill binder & excipient with the active constituent, OR they are evenly mixed but the active constituent was cut and therefore some spots are hot with MDMA (or whatever else the active ingredient is) and some are filled with say, caffeine that was the cut used in the MDMA. It's a big part of the reason you often find weird MDMA synthesis byproducts in pressies, they make it really hard to recrystallize into a nice rock but you can get away with putting it into a pressie just fine.
 
Esperighanto said:
Many of them come out of batches that also have extremely underdosed pills, as someone who can't speak a lot on it but has worked with pill pressing in the past, I suspect that this occurs due to a lack of thorough homogenization of the final bill binder & excipient with the active constituent, OR they are evenly mixed but the active constituent was cut and therefore some spots are hot with MDMA (or whatever else the active ingredient is) and some are filled with say, caffeine that was the cut used in the MDMA. It's a big part of the reason you often find weird MDMA synthesis byproducts in pressies, they make it really hard to recrystallize into a nice rock but you can get away with putting it into a pressie just fine.
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Now that WOULD be odd. If one is pressing a lot of MDMA, a V-mixer is more or less essential. I can see how one might experience slight varience in something more potent such as diazepam, but we didn't consider mixing to be an accidental cause.
 
4DQSAR said:
Now that WOULD be odd. If one is pressing a lot of MDMA, a V-mixer is more or less essential. I can see how one might experience slight varience in something more potent such as diazepam, but we didn't consider mixing to be an accidental cause.
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V-mixers are things I tend not to bring up on places like BL because familiarity with them implies a suspicious familiarity with pharmaceutical compounding, but they're the real trick to getting even pressies. Of every pressing op I've ever been around, only one had a V-mixer and it was literally homemade out of lego robotics components, but I will give you, upon reextracting from random pressies that were spit out by the press, it was perhaps the most consistent I've ever seen an automated press run. Slight variance in things ~10mg and over (like, as you mentioned, Diazepam) is to be expected, but there's still always a slight variance in things with lower doses too. I've been around situations that are pressing combo pressies too, with say, mdma alongside mda and the mdma turned out to have been slightly cut with caffeine (the person running the op "trusted their plug" and didn't recrystallize it), and the caffeine caused hygroscoping clumps to form which fucked up an enormous amount of the pills that came out of that run. Some you could crack open and it was just pure white caffeine anhydrous inside, it was nightmarish. They got sold at an EXTREME discount by that person who ran the op.
 
I also got recently some high dosed (it seems to be over 200 mg) pressed pills of (presumably) MDMA. Even common pills which have been available before that had 130 mg in them.
Weird how drugs are becoming cheaper.
 
Esperighanto said:
V-mixers are things I tend not to bring up on places like BL because familiarity with them implies a suspicious familiarity with pharmaceutical compounding,
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If you have ever visited a compounding pharmacy, you WILL have seen both a (small) pill-press and a (small) V-mixer. That's where I saw them first.

I presume the same would be the case if you ever went somewhere that produced multivitamin tablets and/or herbal medicines. A whole lot of pills are made - the vast majority entirely legal.
 
4DQSAR said:
I presume the same would be the case if you ever went somewhere that produced multivitamin tablets and/or herbal medicines. A whole lot of pills are made - the vast majority entirely legal.
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While I agree entirely, I've never in my entire life been around a pressing operation that was not clandestine, but maybe that's just because of how I've lived my life so far.
 
Believe me - 99.% of all that stuff is used for tablets and capsules and all manner of common goods innocient of climinal blame.

I mean, some types of candy are made using what are atill termed 'pill' presses.
 
4DQSAR said:
Believe me - 99.% of all that stuff is used for tablets and capsules and all manner of common goods innocient of climinal blame.

I mean, some types of candy are made using what are atill termed 'pill' presses.
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I've actually pressed my own caffeine and THC tablets before, as well as some inerts just as test runs, but I have one of those single-tablet presses that you need to put in a vice clamp for like 15-30 minutes to get a single tablet, they're intended for candy usage and they're not really surveiled at all since a clandestine op would not be able to financially sustain itself on something with such low productivity. I honestly wish we could talk more about specifically pharmaceutical compounding on BL, things like "If you just got your hands on a gram of 25B-NBOH, here is how to safely apply it to lozenges or blotter paper", or the same for benzos/cannabinoids on blotter, or maybe making gel tabs, infusing gummies with things that aren't very water soluble like (the majority of) benzodiazepines, and especially for 7-OH-Mitragynine users, pressing their own tablets. 7-OH fans have an aversion to using pure extracts for some reason and they tend to just use overpriced tablets, and I wish more of them would at least just use gel caps or something to save on the cash side of it.
 
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What in the fuck are these
 
canadianpeduser said:
What in the fuck are these
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That's what I'm sayin.

BUT ..... that being said

It's just supposed to be more potent the the average Kratom shots.


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Or just something that works as a pain reliever. And quite Innovated I must confess.

From the shelves of smoke shops in places unknown. That's it. 😉😉🔥

Or it could be from the extract of 7 Oh maybe ?
 
ions said:
Whether it's an opioid or not is debatable. It is a painkiller. It's an unregulated market so you could be getting anything in them. Or it could be legit. In which is the case, take caution.
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Right On !!! 👍

thank you Broh always. <3
 
ions said:
Whether it's an opioid or not is debatable. It is a painkiller. It's an unregulated market so you could be getting anything in them. Or it could be legit. In which is the case, take caution.
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It's probably not good for processing in the liver as well. But the Kratom Craze and all.

The Blisters seem like a good effort in marketing and presentation however.

They seem reputable also. K !!!!



edit : Long term usage would probably be really Toxic for the liver, I'm almost sure !!!

not a good practice for over use either. <3

thank you
 
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kiely said:
They seem reputable also. K !!!!
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I'm uncertain how 7-OH mitragynine tablets are produced but assume that people are buying mitragynine which is a dubious 'item of commerce' by which I mean no Chinese vendors offer mitragynine picrate for several reasons BUT they all seem able to supply it. So right away - you have an explosion hazard.

Then the O-demethylation that also includes a single electron oxidation involves one of three routes (I doubt anyone is about to invest in finding a novel route for a product that could be banned overnight). Two of those routes involve the use of heavy metals so if nothing else, where is that waste going?

Then it's unclear to me who, if anyone, actually tests the pills to quantify the content of such tablets. Certainly I've noted that the many (home) labs offering Kratom testing offer testing for the presence of heavy metals (at an additional price). So could it be that the plant that provides kratom was being planted in places contaminated with heavy metals and/or are heavy metals being left in the product.

You mark my words - the moment this stuff is banned, vendors will simply move on to something even more dubious (there are several candidates). The key thing being that in theory at least, the product occurs in nature thus avoids the testing required by any synthetics... even though we all know that 7-OH mitragynine is almost certainly semi-synthetically produced.
 
ions said:
Whether it's an opioid or not is debatable. It is a painkiller. It's an unregulated market so you could be getting anything in them. Or it could be legit. In which is the case, take caution.
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No, it is objectively an agonist of the mu opioid receptor, aka an opioid. It is not an opiate however as it is not derived from the alkaloids of the opium poppy. You're damn straight though about the unregulation present in the market, people occasionally find metal shards in their 7-OH tablets which is terrifying. 7-OH is a great painkiller orally, intranasally, or vaporized, but the production of it often leads to unclean products, so until it's better regulated I only sparingly use it. Kratom does enough for my chronic pain, personally.

Edit: I read back and realized how much of a snarky snobby son of a bitch I sounded when this is read, that is not my intention at all, I just think it's important to differentiate the two because opioids like tianeptine and mitragynine share far fewer of the risks associated with opiates, so tianeptine and mitragynine are arguably the "safer" ones. Just as addictive, but not as heavy on the respiratory depression.
 
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