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physically dependent for suboxone?

laCster

laCster

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whats up everyone?? i decided to leave my rehab because it hasnt worked worth jack shit!! i have been using heroin and roxicodone pratically the whole time i hav ebeen there, so i am trying a different approach: suboxone.

my question is, do i have physically dependent on opiates to qualify for suboxone treatment? i have an appointment with the doctor on tuesday and i know that i will get drug screened, but what if i dont fail for any opiates because i am planning not to use any opiates until then. does that mean that the doctor wont let me go on the treatment?? should i lie and say i have been stabilizing on kratom? i really hope i am allowed because i am fucking done with heroin and roxicodone. i am in debt with bank of america, my drug dealers, and my parents because i have lied, cheated, and stole from all of them :( i want this shit to stop.
 
The kratom idea I'm not sure if that's good because if your dependency is actually to kratom "since you switched to it" then suboxone may not help withdrawals and they may not want to give it to you. Aside from that I thought it was ingenious at first glance though.

If you're honest I've heard sometimes they give suboxone just for cravings, not sure if all doctors will do it though and it'd be a low dose

Of course the most sure fire way to get it would be to get opiates in your system but that could send you back out on the street so I won't suggest it

Good luck and keep us posted, I hope whatever happens its enough to keep drugs from running your life trust me I feel for ya!
 
thank you for responding, im thinking about going out the night before and getting some gear or something...but if i use hard opiates and get caught i cant stay at my house anymore :/

or i could say i used heroin today to keep off WD, then i used suboxone on saturday (tomorow) which held off WD for saturday and sunday, and then i didnt want to go back out so i went o a local smoke shop and bought some kratom so that i wouldnt WD that day.
 
if you're not physically addicted and begin taking suboxone everyday you will become so and have just doubled your problems. just stop? you're going to have to deal with cravings at some point. you say rehab didn't work, but you have still been using. there is no easy way out, you are going to have to do this yourself, make the decision, and just stop.

and you robbed the bank of america? might not want to post that on here.
 
i against i said:
if you're not physically addicted and begin taking suboxone everyday you will become so and have just doubled your problems. just stop? you're going to have to deal with cravings at some point. you say rehab didn't work, but you have still been using. there is no easy way out, you are going to have to do this yourself, make the decision, and just stop.

and you robbed the bank of america? might not want to post that on here.
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LAWL
i didnt rob a bank of america, i overdrew my account.

and id rather use suboxone then continually using illegal means to get harder opiates.
 
I agree with i against i... if you're not presently strung out, why get on suboxone and become strung out? Hah. You are where a lot of us stuck on suboxone wish we were... not psychically dependent on anything. Getting off the suboxone is no picnic. In retrospect I wish I would have done a very short methadone taper and just stopped. Instead I ended up being on bupe for a long long time and am struggling to get off the shit. It didn't stop me from relapsing a bunch of times either.. so it was pretty pointless.
 
thanks for your input mr.scagnatti.....i want to get on suboxone so that when i do have opiate cravings, i can take legally prescribed medication instead of doing illegal means to get shit. i also see myself slipping faster and faster into the grips of heroin addiction. its no joke. i'd rather prevent it now then waiting until it gets way worse.

if i do get the suboxone script, i dont know if i will take it daily, or just take it when i get cravings. it is a partial agonist so in theory it should be easier to get off then if i were taking heroin or oxycodone daily.
 
laCster said:
thanks for your input mr.scagnatti.....i want to get on suboxone so that when i do have opiate cravings, i can take legally prescribed medication instead of doing illegal means to get shit. i also see myself slipping faster and faster into the grips of heroin addiction. its no joke. i'd rather prevent it now then waiting until it gets way worse.

if i do get the suboxone script, i dont know if i will take it daily, or just take it when i get cravings. it is a partial agonist so in theory it should be easier to get off then if i were taking heroin or oxycodone daily.
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It is easier to get off of than a full agonist like H...as far as the actual intensity of the withdrawal symptoms themselves, but they last a lot longer and so does the PAWS from bupe. If you take it like you're suggesting... just when a craving arises, I suppose that could work. You wouldn't need very much and you could prevent a psychical dependence. I've never tried to use the bupe like that. I know the doctors don't want you doing that for the sole reason that they want more money, and more visits=more cash. It's a real fuckin' racket.
 
so what do you think mr.scagnattie, do i lie about being physically dependent on opiates or do i go in there and tell the truth??

right now i am leaning towards saying that i used heroin today (friday), i used roxicodone on saturday, then i held off WD with kratom on sunday and monday
 
Honestly, man... most sub doctors I've met don't even give a shit hah. They just want your money and if you're willing to pay, they'll put you on the scripts just by your word that you are a drug addict. Like my doctor.. he didn't do anything to validate whether I was actually strung out at the time of induction. Anyone could in theory just walk off the street, come in and say they are an addict and get a bupe script.

Now, some doctors aren't like that and they take the whole thing very seriously.. you're not going to know until you talk to him which category he falls into. What I personally would do, hah and maybe don't take this advice, is use this as an excuse to go out and get high one more time..a little last hurrah. That way if he does test you, you have it in your system.

If you really don't want to use again, (and that's a good thing) just go in and say that you aren't strung out right now, but want to be on the suboxone just for maintenance so you don't relapse. Say without it, you know you're going to relapse again and you really don't want to. Most doctors will hook you up with that line even if you run into one of the few straight arrows who plays it by the book. Most are crooks though. Hah.
 
Aren't you supposed to go in there in withdrawals anyway? I'm sure a number of people don't test positive for opiates when they see the doctor for their intake. The doctor won't really be able to tell if you are strung out or not, and a drug test isn't always going to give them their answer.
 
i appreciate your input, thanks scaggie...

i dont think going out is an option because i am literally on my last straw with my parents and if they find me getting high then i definitely wont have anywhere to go and they definitely wouldnt pay for suboxone treatment then.

i think i am just going to go in there and say the last time i used heroin was today/tomorow and i used kratom on sunday and monday in an effort to stave off WD


Tommyboy said:
Aren't you supposed to go in there in withdrawals anyway? I'm sure a number of people don't test positive for opiates when they see the doctor for their intake. The doctor won't really be able to tell if you are strung out or not, and a drug test isn't always going to give them their answer.
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you're right, and i am probably freaking out for no reason..i just dont boy and roxi to consume my life anymore :(

i appreciate your insight, it made me feel better
 
You can just tell him the truth. You were strung out, stopped for a few days, but know that without suboxone you will relapse and get kicked out of your house. Suboxone isn't just prescribed to keep people out of withdrawals (obviously, since it causes dependence itself), it's also prescribed to keep the cravings away for people in similar situations as yourself.
 
laCster said:
i appreciate your input, thanks scaggie...

i dont think going out is an option because i am literally on my last straw with my parents and if they find me getting high then i definitely wont have anywhere to go and they definitely wouldnt pay for suboxone treatment then.

i think i am just going to go in there and say the last time i used heroin was today/tomorow and i used kratom on sunday and monday in an effort to stave off WD


you're right, and i am probably freaking out for no reason..i just dont boy and roxi to consume my life anymore :

i appreciate your insight, it made me feel better
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That's actually a good idea. It would explain why you aren't incredibly sick and why you didn't test positive for heroin. Go in though and pretend to be in moderate withdrawal anyway. Sniffle, cough, shiver a bit, blah blah. It'll help kind of sell the whole bit.

Still though.. the truth about just wanting to prevent relapse despite not being strung out would still work fine. I think I even did that once.
 
My doctor knew I had been clean for 3 weeks before seeing him. I was just real with him and told him that I needed something to keep me sane since I was getting piss tested at least once a week for court, and I would be doing a lot of time if I failed a test.
 
Tommyboy said:
You can just tell him the truth. You were strung out, stopped for a few days, but know that without suboxone you will relapse and get kicked out of your house. Suboxone isn't just prescribed to keep people out of withdrawals (obviously, since it causes dependence itself), it's also prescribed to keep the cravings away for people in similar situations as yourself.
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i think honesty is the best way to deal with anything...i have lied so much in the past its not even funny, so much so that when someone asks me what i had for lunch now i'll lie about eating McDonalds or some shit when i really had Wendy's or burgerking...its really sad

mr.scagnattie said:
That's actually a good idea. It would explain why you aren't incredibly sick and why you didn't test positive for heroin. Go in though and pretend to be in moderate withdrawal anyway. Sniffle, cough, shiver a bit, blah blah. It'll help kind of sell the whole bit.

Still though.. the truth about just wanting to prevent relapse despite not being strung out would still work fine. I think I even did that once.
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im still kind of torn... ill sleep on it

crimsonjunk said:
My doc didnt verify I was addicted with a drug test. I showed him my tracks and he seemed impressed. lol
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this could work, but i only have 1 track mark as i just started taking up using needles in the last week or so...

im just scared shitless for myself to tell the truth :(

Tommyboy said:
My doctor knew I had been clean for 3 weeks before seeing him. I was just real with him and told him that I needed something to keep me sane since I was getting piss tested at least once a week for court, and I would be doing a lot of time if I failed a test.
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that's good to hear man, i hope you have been doing well since then


i will most likely just tell the truth.. i had been strung out on heroin and oxy for the past 4-5 months, using 2-3 weeks at a time, getting sober for another 5-6 days, then restarting the cycle.
 
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