I've been requested not to post to the other PhreeX thread and had most of my posts removed, so... I'll start another one. If this will offend you, you're welcome to not read it and go back to sticking your head in a nice bucket of sand.
I think this recent incident with PhreeX and the subsequent reaction to my posts are illustrative of a disturbing and all too common theme in drug forums on the net, particular ones like Other Drugs on here and the Shroomery where high risk things like opiates and benzodiazepines are dominant topics of discussion. I've watched the same pattern over and over, it basically goes like:
1: "Soandso has overdosed after taking 50 Oxycontins."
2: "Gosh I can't believe it! Soandso knew so much about drugs!"
3: "Soandso is my hero, I'm in shock, he knew so much about drugs!"
4: "Golly how did this happen? Soandso knew so much about drugs!"
5: "Uhh, Soandso took 50 Oxycontins. That was pretty dangerous and stupid. How can you guys be praising his drug knowledge?"
6: Zillions of idiots attack poster of number 5.
7: Wait a few weeks, go back to number 1, start over with a new idiot overdosing and ending up dead or comatose.
Its sad when someone ends up in the hospital or grave because of any reason, drug related or not. However, that doesn't make them a hero, nor should it make them immune from criticism. I'm particularly bothered by the gang mentality aspect of it... "How dare you criticize this person now!" Half the time, the people ranting about how tragic the situation is and singing the praises of the person who's dead/sick are people who flamed that person when they were healthy. Fake respect, yeah, how touching.
The MOST disturbing aspect of this Ripper-PhreeX syndrome however is the praising of the person's drug knowledge. It sucks that they overdosed, but come on... they OVERDOSED. They aren't people you want to emulate. In the case of Ripper, he didn't know shit about drugs. PhreeX knew quite a bit, but didn't act based on his knowledge... knowledge is of little use if you don't base your actions on it.
There seems to be an enormous unwillingness to learn from the mistakes of others in this "community"... When someone overdoses, anybody who even dares mention that the person brought it on themselves is attacked.
I've never done anything (so far) to land myself in a coma or grave, but I've certainly done some stupid shit with drugs. I wrote up my experiences and posted them to the internet, hoping that people would learn from them and not repeat my mistakes. Apparantly, that was a waste of my time, as I have on several occasions had people tell me, in essence "Well you did this stupid thing so how dare you tell me I shouldn't try the same thing!" What the fuck?!?! Someone writes up a report saying "This was a huge mistake and I think I was in serious danger" and your reaction is "Gee, I should try that" rather than "OK glad someone else learned that so I know not to try it." I can't even begin to comprehend this mentality.
Drugs are fucking dangerous... even when you use them as responsibly as possible, there's plenty of opportunities for accidents, mistakes, impure material, etc. When you refuse to learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of others, that's irresponsible as hell. Irresponsibility is a great way to increase your death/injury chances.
If someone dies or goes to the hospital because of a drug overdose, that is a tragedy. When people refuse to learn from the incident and actively praise the person's drug knowledge and viciously attack anybody who doesn't follow the herd, that is just as much of a tragedy. This is only March 9, and so far this year there's already been two deaths (one possibly not drug related, too early to tell) and one near death. I would think that this would have people seriously questioning what kind of behaviors and attitudes led to this... instead, I'm mostly seeing a pack mentality that proclaims it a social sin to mention the deaths in any way other than to sing the praises of the victim.
I think this is a crisis situation, and it disturbs the hell out of me that any real discussion of the problem is being stifled in the name of "respect" and "sensitivity."
If you people really gave a fuck about respect, you'd respect the people out there who are engaging in reckless behavior and are having the online drug community essentially tell them that its OK. If you really cared about people, you'd be more concerned with preventing future tragedies by discussing these incidents bluntly and honestly rather than squelching discussion out of some misguided (and often false) respect for these overdose cases. If you want to praise people like PhreeX and Ripper, great. Praise their other good qualities. Don't sing false praises about what god-like drug experts and role-models they were.
In the case of PhreeX... he's long posted some pretty outrageous shit, for example his claim of having IV injected a megadose of DOM (as well as other psychedelics), not to mention pretty heavy abuse of shit like fentanyl.
I think this recent incident with PhreeX and the subsequent reaction to my posts are illustrative of a disturbing and all too common theme in drug forums on the net, particular ones like Other Drugs on here and the Shroomery where high risk things like opiates and benzodiazepines are dominant topics of discussion. I've watched the same pattern over and over, it basically goes like:
1: "Soandso has overdosed after taking 50 Oxycontins."
2: "Gosh I can't believe it! Soandso knew so much about drugs!"
3: "Soandso is my hero, I'm in shock, he knew so much about drugs!"
4: "Golly how did this happen? Soandso knew so much about drugs!"
5: "Uhh, Soandso took 50 Oxycontins. That was pretty dangerous and stupid. How can you guys be praising his drug knowledge?"
6: Zillions of idiots attack poster of number 5.
7: Wait a few weeks, go back to number 1, start over with a new idiot overdosing and ending up dead or comatose.
Its sad when someone ends up in the hospital or grave because of any reason, drug related or not. However, that doesn't make them a hero, nor should it make them immune from criticism. I'm particularly bothered by the gang mentality aspect of it... "How dare you criticize this person now!" Half the time, the people ranting about how tragic the situation is and singing the praises of the person who's dead/sick are people who flamed that person when they were healthy. Fake respect, yeah, how touching.
The MOST disturbing aspect of this Ripper-PhreeX syndrome however is the praising of the person's drug knowledge. It sucks that they overdosed, but come on... they OVERDOSED. They aren't people you want to emulate. In the case of Ripper, he didn't know shit about drugs. PhreeX knew quite a bit, but didn't act based on his knowledge... knowledge is of little use if you don't base your actions on it.
There seems to be an enormous unwillingness to learn from the mistakes of others in this "community"... When someone overdoses, anybody who even dares mention that the person brought it on themselves is attacked.
I've never done anything (so far) to land myself in a coma or grave, but I've certainly done some stupid shit with drugs. I wrote up my experiences and posted them to the internet, hoping that people would learn from them and not repeat my mistakes. Apparantly, that was a waste of my time, as I have on several occasions had people tell me, in essence "Well you did this stupid thing so how dare you tell me I shouldn't try the same thing!" What the fuck?!?! Someone writes up a report saying "This was a huge mistake and I think I was in serious danger" and your reaction is "Gee, I should try that" rather than "OK glad someone else learned that so I know not to try it." I can't even begin to comprehend this mentality.
Drugs are fucking dangerous... even when you use them as responsibly as possible, there's plenty of opportunities for accidents, mistakes, impure material, etc. When you refuse to learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of others, that's irresponsible as hell. Irresponsibility is a great way to increase your death/injury chances.
If someone dies or goes to the hospital because of a drug overdose, that is a tragedy. When people refuse to learn from the incident and actively praise the person's drug knowledge and viciously attack anybody who doesn't follow the herd, that is just as much of a tragedy. This is only March 9, and so far this year there's already been two deaths (one possibly not drug related, too early to tell) and one near death. I would think that this would have people seriously questioning what kind of behaviors and attitudes led to this... instead, I'm mostly seeing a pack mentality that proclaims it a social sin to mention the deaths in any way other than to sing the praises of the victim.
I think this is a crisis situation, and it disturbs the hell out of me that any real discussion of the problem is being stifled in the name of "respect" and "sensitivity."
If you people really gave a fuck about respect, you'd respect the people out there who are engaging in reckless behavior and are having the online drug community essentially tell them that its OK. If you really cared about people, you'd be more concerned with preventing future tragedies by discussing these incidents bluntly and honestly rather than squelching discussion out of some misguided (and often false) respect for these overdose cases. If you want to praise people like PhreeX and Ripper, great. Praise their other good qualities. Don't sing false praises about what god-like drug experts and role-models they were.
In the case of PhreeX... he's long posted some pretty outrageous shit, for example his claim of having IV injected a megadose of DOM (as well as other psychedelics), not to mention pretty heavy abuse of shit like fentanyl.
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