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Misc Phenibut

Shit, that's scary!

I have abstained for 2 days from taking phenibut and I am irritable as fuck and every once in a while I get mild dizzy spells. Craziness! I don't think I'll be messing with this compound too much in the future. I also have a cold, so I'm not sure if that's why I am in a mood.. there are other factors at play in my personal life as well. At any rate, I don't feel the benefit outweighs the risk and -- though I'm sure it's a very useful substance for some -- it's not really for me.

I think I have a weak stomach too, I ended up puking off about 800 mg the other day, lol.
 
I agree, the risk is not worth the reward at all. I will never understand why the general opinion is that phenibut is a safer alternative to benzos, perhaps because it's legal and called a "supplement". It's far less researched, effects are not always consistent with dose, and WD is worse than benzo WD. Honestly, I think illegal but well tested drugs are safer than research chemicals, legal highs and such, with the exception of legal ethnobotanicals. It still amazes me that of all the really hard shit I've done, phenibut is the substance that legitimately almost killed me.
 

Edit: Also, Cosmic Trigger: Best of luck, my friend! Please let us know how it's going! I had missed that line about "offing yourself" in that last paragraph somehow. I sincerely hope things don't get that bad and hope that you will keep in touch with us here. After reading this thread, I'm
half-tempted to just throw out the rest of my phenibut.

Anyway, I wish you all the best with your taper, and please let us know how it goes!

-Ron

Thanks, I'm on both Phenibut and Gabapentin and Opiates. What a lovely soup. Not. The opiates I'm leaving alone for the time being because they are really helping with my pain/depression/sleep issues. So I've dropped the phenibut from 3400mg per day to 1050 with no issues so far. I'm using fasoracetam to try and upgrade my gaba receptors as I taper. At this point I'm going to try a 10% reduction in dose per week and hopefully that will be slow enough to let me get way down before jumping off. Then I plan to increase my Gabapentin if needed to help deal with the withdrawals. My plan is to survive this but I mean what I say about suicide if things really go south. I've had a failed attempt (due to some ignorance of technique that has now been rectified) in the past so I know I can do the deed. Like I said I'm old so it won't be as great of a loss than if I was a young kid looking at the rest of their life.

So if anyone else has ideas and suggestions on how to beat this monster then I'd love to hear about it. And thanks for your support Ron
 
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I agree, the risk is not worth the reward at all. I will never understand why the general opinion is that phenibut is a safer alternative to benzos, perhaps because it's legal and called a "supplement". It's far less researched, effects are not always consistent with dose, and WD is worse than benzo WD. Honestly, I think illegal but well tested drugs are safer than research chemicals, legal highs and such, with the exception of legal ethnobotanicals. It still amazes me that of all the really hard shit I've done, phenibut is the substance that legitimately almost killed me.
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I generally feel safe on Phenibut so I really don't know what could have been the problem.

I would generally think there's no reason 3 grams of Phenibut should be a lethal dose and have done it many times and felt fine.

Do you think maybe it just mixed badly with the Mirtazapine?
 
Phenibut is not stable in the beginning when your brain isn't used to it. Thank God the OP didn't start at 5 grams. That is INSANE for a beginner! You could have easily killed yourself. Personally, I didn't feel full effects unless it was about 2 grams in the beginning. I still would only recommend 500 mg - 1 gram for starting dose.

You have to be so CAREFUL with this one! There were many times I had severe nausea from pushing it too far in the past and vomiting. It also potentiates other drugs you take with it so you have to make sure if you're on phenibut, don't mess with other drugs. Or if you're using it to potentiate kratom or another benzo, only use a small dose of phenibut.

I used to enjoy using a small amount of phenibut to potentiate a small amount of kratom at times and Klonopin at other times. Phenibut makes a little kratom or klonopin go a long way.

Phenibut was a roller coaster ride for years. It was recreational for me because it was euphoric and triggered mania just like etizolam does for me now. With the added bonus of phenibut making me really witty and quick. Those feelings are gone after using for so many years. Now it just helps me get by if I go too long without etizolam.

You don't want to get in too deep by taking it daily and at large amounts because it can be scary trying to come off of it, especially if you look up withdrawal symptoms. I used to get scared of withdrawal and tapered down until I felt it was safe to come off, just like with any other benzo. And I'd put my focus on another substance like kratom. Just make sure you take breaks.

I could go on and on about this one. This one had me as hooked as etizolam at one point. It has it's benefits and risks. All I can stress is stay at low amounts if you take it.
 
I take it with opiates and also kratom in the past. I had a history of Kratom use well before phenibut and didn't notice any noticable potentiating effect from the combo. So everyone is different in this respect. I'm curious also about your claim that 5 grams for a newbie could be fatal. Do you have a link on that? I'm not saying you're wrong here but I'd like to know that there is a sound basis for what you are saying.
 
Cosmic Trigger said:
I take it with opiates and also kratom in the past. I had a history of Kratom use well before phenibut and didn't notice any noticable potentiating effect from the combo. So everyone is different in this respect. I'm curious also about your claim that 5 grams for a newbie could be fatal. Do you have a link on that? I'm not saying you're wrong here but I'd like to know that there is a sound basis for what you are saying.
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I'm using my own experiences. Severe Nausea, dizzy, vomiting, passing out. I shouldn't have said it can be fatal at 5 grams if you're a beginner. Just trying to stress that is a horrendous experience and certainly NOT a dose to start with. It stays in your system all day so when you feel bad from it, you're stuck with those awful feelings for hours and hours.

Since you already had a history with kratom, maybe you didn't notice much. It certainly made other drugs stronger for me so I thought it was important to mention. Nowadays it just helps me maintain when needed.

You're right about each person reacting differently because I read about how many people felt sleepy from it, but like I said, it triggered euphoria and mania in my brain. It used to make me feel great.
 
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Ha, yeah, I'm glad I didn't start off with 5 grams either! 800 mg made me puke! I honestly think 400 mg would be fine for me. But I don't think it's something I want to mess with. I've been off it for 3 days after 2 days of use and I still don't feel great. In fairness, sometimes I don't feel great anyway, so I'm not sure if phenibut is a direct cause or if it's just a coincidence.

This stuff gives me the spins and makes me so nauseous! I should have dosed lower and that is my own fault, but I think I will find another way to manage my anxiety on those days where my shoulders are up around my ears and I feel like disaster could strike at any second.

Cosmic Trigger: I'm glad to hear you're planning on doing a slow taper. From what I've heard the withdrawals from this can be a monster! Let us know how it's going :)
 
I shall, I'm decreasing my dose by 10% a week so it should take at least a couple of months to jump off. Then hopefully the fasoracetam will make that possible. If I can't at least i've greatly decreased my dosage.
 
Well, I am 32 years old as of midnight and finally starting to feel a little better. I threw out my phenibut. I think with this recent flare up in my anxiety/depression it's best if I just leave this substance to those who can better tolerate it.

I will stick to using kratom a couple times a month and focus on working this out either on my own, or, if need be, with some CBT.
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

It's best to stay away from phenibut since you didn't react to it well and it's too unpredictable.

Since it cranked up my mania, I liked to take Klonopin to help me come down off of it. So that's how crazy this drug is.

Are you able to be prescribed a benzo?
 
I can get my doc to prescribe a very short course (like 7 days worth) and that is about it. I've gone this route before when things were particularly bad, and they were quite helpful.

Oh, and thank you! :D
 
I started phenibut 3 mos ago for productivity and energy. My current schedule is once per week, dose of 500-1000mg, lately combo with modafinil. Higher doses are troublesome unless you enjoy side effects and addiction.

This stuff is handle with care! Despite my decades of psychonaut experience, phenibut appears only too easy to flop into a chemical dependency. Many ancedotal warnings have been posted by previous victims.

The only people who should be taking this stuff are Eastern Europeans who are under a doctor's care, opoid users trying to jump off, and mature self-controlled people with no psychological weaknesses such as panic attacks or binging.

Phenibut has a purpose and is an effective anxiety reducer, but use caution. High doses or binging will result in trouble.
 
I still have no issues with using doses between 2900mgs--3,500mgs once a week.

I've gone as high as 4,000mgs but never exceeded it because it says not to on the tub.

For me there's never been any issue other than getting tired and dizzy if I take too much and I start nodding off so I'd prefer not to.

I personally feel for my body there is very little risk to using it once a week at these dosages.

I don't think 4,000mgs or less is in any way life threatening even mixed with a little Klonopin (1.5mgs or less) and/or Kratom and once some Dexedrine but I'd NEVER mix it with any stronger CNS depressants like alcohol or a higher dose of Klonopin, nor would I ever use it more often than say, every 5 days max.

I don't think addiction is an issue if kept to one week or that overdose is an issue if kept to these dosage and mixture guidelines, at least in my case, by everyone is different.
 
TIL taking Phenibut 2 days in a row is somehow a bad thing.

1 day: you're FIIIIIIIINE
2 days: NOPE. You're either dead, physically dependant for life, or both. Yes - both.
 
^^ Haha. I personally just didn't react well to it physically, which in retrospect was my own fault. I shouldn't have dosed so high my first couple times until I had a feel for the effects. I'm sure it's a fantastically useful compound for many, and maybe I'll try it again some day, but the dizzy spells and puking have turned me off for now.
 
How helpful is phenibut when used while going through opiate withdrawal?

Obviously, if someone were to start taking phenibut while withdrawaling off of opiates they would have to be REALLY careful not to become addicted to phenibut (essentially swapping one addiction for another).

I imagine phenibut helps with all the anxiety while withdrawaling and may even help the withdrawaler to get some sleep. Would there be any of other benefits?
 
Edit: I just Googled and read about someone who uses a small dose of phenibut to help with opiate withdrawal. If phenibut helps you with sleep and calms you down, that makes sense. It never helped me sleep.

Kratom is still something else you should look into because It can help with the physical discomfort from opiate withdrawals. It helped me come off a pain killer years ago. There's a thread on here about kratom...And you can find info on Google.
 
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Phenibut worries me because it's so unpredictable. I take about 1G a week. Usually to prolong an opiate high. Sometime more sometimes less.. I've felt the manic chatty feeling but a lot of times I also get narcolepsy where I'm falling asleep randomly. Never been addicted to it. I've heard the hepatoxic effects don't happen until you get up to 7G daily which seems insane to me.

But who knows? I worry I'm giving myself Alzheimers or Parkinsons or something experimenting with this stuff.
 
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