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Phenibut

^ I'd say lack of morphine is probably for the best in this case. Have taken codeine with it a coupla times now and it has the same effect as it does on G - massive potentiation of both. And - sadly - not the good kinda potentiation. Is all overly-spinnyheadednesses and spazzfests.

Can see how folk might get a taste for this stuff. Is not a terrible alternative to GHB/GBL... sort of. It has most of the same effects but the negative effects are definitely more pronounced with frequent use. Getting the dose right has been a bit of a chore. Mucho time over the last few days spent either spazzed out or unconscious - and for much longer periods than GBL due to the lengthy duration. However, when you get it right it's really rather nice. And cheap. And easily available. I'd still rather have guice though :\

Differences noted include appetite - nothing like as bad for the ubermunchiez you get with GBL but definitely a whiff of the muchiez. Also the G-Horn is very much in effect but much harder to do owt about. Partly cos I've not quite found my sweet spot yet and keep overdoing - or underdoing - it and partly cos it's more or less impossible to reach a satisfying conclusion (although if you manage it the conclusion is not just satisfying it's fukkin outrageous =D). I suspect this may be largely down to lack of anybody to spread the joy to though.

Definite negatives seem to be rapidly rising tolerance and rapid onset of physical iffinesseses. After just a handful of daze of daily use I felt like I'd been hammering guice 24/7 for weeks. This may be due to hammering guice 24/7 for weeks on several previous occasions, mind. Mainly noticed pretty extreme exhaustion due to residual and rebound stimulation (and, of course, my total lack of willpower and moderation 8)) and some kidney discomfort. Probably due to dehydration cos it makes you piss like a racehorse. Have also had the chronic shits for a few days which may or not be related.

Fortunately/unfortunately I bought a larger amount the second time (100g) so have plenty to use and abuse but also plenty to taper down slowly. Which I think is gonna be essential.
 
Oh definetly I am not mixing phenibut and morphine again. I went into intensive care last time I did that. Mind you I had done, clonaz, pregs and Alprazolam in my system from the night before. But I will say that for the 40 minutes that I was conscious and breathing I felt fucking amazing. But in the name of Harm reduction never again. Didn't get to enjoy the buzz for long and got to enjoy coming round to a catheter being stuck up my nob and a fat shot of naloxone in my vein. Talk about a buzzkill.
 
I think i was unconscious for a while. Not sure. I think its just routine right? Was fortunate they did use it thought because had I not been responding or something for another 5 minutes they would have done something with a tube or something? In my neck.
 
I've never had a catheter up my nob. Although I've also never been taken unconscious to casualty so... Dunno how standard it is really. Did they know what you'd taken? Don't know anybody taken in for a suspected opiate OD who got the nobtube treatment. Lotsa tubes in other access points, mind. Often in the chest due to lack of easily accessible veins elsewhere. Knew one bloke who who had loadsa lines put in his chest. He snuck off without removing them (due to having formed a cunning plan for alternative uses for 'em, of course :D) as soon as he was conscious though. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Until he died from an infection a few days later.
 
Well what had happened is I was sorta fine for about an hour or so, nodding very hard. So the people I was living with got worried, and as I started losing conciousness they phoned the ambulance. I was still concious kinda when they came and stupidly I gave em my stash so they knew what I had taken. Big mistake, fuckers distroyed it all :( Luckily all the done, heroin and oxy had gone. So it was a few MSTs and a load of benzos and antihistamines.
 
Heady ol' cocktail is that, Merc. Should probably be more glad to have walked out the hospital at all than at walking out the hospital sans stash. Although the latter is always a pisser :!

Good your friends had enough sense/balls to call the ambulance. Not all people do despite it being the only reasonable response to somebody who appears to be in some trouble. And despite it not having any legal ramifications in the vast majority of situations. Is far better to be in hospital unnecessarily than for it to be necessary but be too scared to make it happen. Very much a piece of HR info that needs to be made clear to all: If in doubt get medical assistance. Mistakes always have the potential to be last mistakes. Is a risky ol' game this prohibition malarky :\
 
Well fortunately these people were portugese and were well versed in drug use and harm reduction. Amazing what good drug policies can do isn't it.
 
Yup. Portugal are about as close to a sane drug policy as it gets in Europe. Still far from ideal (decriminalisation is not the way forward - legalisation is the only solution to an invented problem) but so much better than we have here. Is kinda strange how little publicity it gets really. Actually, not strange at all. Far too close to saving lives to be acceptable for British palates :\
 
Righty. Have managed to taper a bit but nowhere near enough. The w/d effects really are very pronounced indeed. Very scary indeed too. Frankly I've not been as scared about a drug in many years. Stuff is ridiculously easy to get habituated to and has the most frightening w/d effects I've yet encountered. And in doublequick time too. Seriously cannot believe how bad things got so quick.

Managed to get 6-8h of some kinda sleep this morning. Finally. Woke up after the first 2h with my head spinning and the world spinning faster and totally out of step with my spinnyheadedness. Was fuxxorred. In the wrong kinda way. Woke up needing a piss and was so unsteady on my feet that I somehow managed to fall face first into the toilet bowl. Fukkin ow!

Painful piss over I actually managed to get more sleep. Or passed out due to overwhelming exhaustion anyway. Woke up a few hours later feeling like absolute death. Shaking violently from head to foot, heart pounding out of my chest, severe anxiety. Basically unbearable and quite possibly dangerous.

Took my normal dose of codeine and ~700mg of phenibut and am functional again. Not sure for how long. Will leave it as long as possible and use the minimum amount possible to keep the worst of the scary w/d stuff at bay. Which is essential and unavoidable due to losing track of so much time. Realised I had virtually none of the 100g I acquired just a week ago left. Panicked cos of the genuinely scary w/d stuffs. Spoke to an EADDer about it and we kinda both came to the conclusion that it would be wisest - and safest - to acquire another 50g and taper down slowly cos use has been so heavy. Shamefully I had to actually borrow the necessary £12 to do this too :\

Unfortunately it has not been dispatched yet for some reason. Friday is looking more likely. Although they actually say sometime between Friday and Monday. I have no fukkin clue how I'll cope if it takes longer than another day cos don't have anywhere near enough to last any longer. I really don't fancy CT from this stuff. Not at the level of use I stupidly got myself into. Benzos and booze have had zero effect on alleviating w/d symptoms. Got through a bottle of gin and 3l of cider one night this week and wasn't even a bit pissed. Also took 70mg of temazi (normally 20-30mg will KO me) on top of the booze and noticed no effect of any kind. There doesn't appear to be anything to help out with these w/d other than a sensible tapering regime. Scary stuff this phenibut when abused :|
 
Ho man, grim. Pretty sloppy to let it get this far-- to be honest, Shambolic One, was that some form of morbid curiosity? To see what its WD is like and how many pleasure you can wring out of the stuff before the WD starts?



Shambles said:
Got through a bottle of gin and 3l of cider one night this week and wasn't even a bit pissed. Also took 70mg of temazi (normally 20-30mg will KO me) on top of the booze and noticed no effect of any kind. There doesn't appear to be anything to help out with these w/d other than a sensible tapering regime.
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Do you have access to Baclofen? Clonidine would be welcome too, on top of that, methinks.
 
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It can also send you temporarily psychotic, if abused. Seems like your on a honeymoon period with this Sham, i know i was, fuckin loved it until negatives reared their ugly heads. Still do love it, but in a more controlled way now.
 
Ya. Was pretty fukkin stooopid even by my standards :\

Am well aware of that and honestly don't know how I let it happen. Probably the fact that I - unlike so many others - have never really have severe w/d effects from GBL/GHB (despite some seriously heavy and extended abuse over the years) and kinda assumed this would be broadly similar. One of those "it'll never happen to me though will it" things. Am a fukkin moron me sometimes |

No access to baclofen or clonidine either. Will just have to see what happens. And not be so fukkin recklessly stooopid again.
 
Nope. Well, am sure I could find some online but am literally penniless (as ever :\) so not much use anyway. Acquiring more phenibut may be kinda silly but have dug the hole so deep so quick that I kinda feel best using the same spade to dig myself out again. At least I know exactly where I stand and tapering is working. Just not as quick as I'd hoped for. And not helped at all by being so out of it I simply didn't notice how low I was getting until it was almost too late. I repeat: I am a fukkin moron sometimes :\

If I hadn't let this happen on my uberskint week I'd've switched to GBL as that is sooooooo much easier to deal with and taper down from. Would also be at least a week away though and I'll hopefully have reached some kinda conclusion by then anyway.
 
Soldier on, then. Severe GABA-B WD feels straight up dangerous to me, more so than booze/benzo WD cos the cardio component is more apparent. But you're probably not in too bad of a state, seeing how 700mg holds you-- sounds like a short-ish honeymoon habit indeed. How's your heart rate, r u palping bro? Can you measure BP?
 
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