Phenibut to Baclofen conversion

[RatStew]

I'll try to keep this as brief as possible b/c nothing is worse than a long-winded post

I currently take 7-8g Phenibut daily. I have already gotten off it twice - and each w/d has always been hell - but I find myself back on it because of its stimulating and nootropic properties (even though it's not in favor round these parts, I really enjoyed it and it keeps me from drinking!). I consumed the Phenibut for about 3 months this most recent time. After about 2 months, the bad side effects outweigh the good (headaches, morning anhedonia).

I would like to get off it. A 7-10 day withdrawal at the current time is OUT OF THE QUESTION because I now has very important responsibilities that must be handled daily. So...I'm considering switching over the baclofen from phenibut, then tapering down using baclofen. Why? Because baclofen is more specifically titrated and quality does not vary as much from batch-to-batch.

So, I'm wondering what conversion ratio to use?

I currently use 4g Phenibut in the morning and in the afternoon for a total of 8g daily. What dosages and dosing schedule would be good starting points for baclofen?

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Hey RatStew, we don't use SWIM here on Bluelight, it does nothing to protect you (means "Someone Who Is Me") and makes it really hard to read your posts. Please edit your post with the "Edit" button and change the SWIMs to proper pronouns.

 

[RatStew]

Alright, no problem. Makes it easier to write that way anyway. thanks

 

[RatStew]

OK, how does this logic sound to y'all?

My guess for the phenibut/baclofen conversion is this:
Baclofen is reported at about 15x the strength of Phenibut

If I take 2 daily dosages of 3g Phen each, I should start with b/w 150-200mg baclofen twice a day? But baclofen has a shorter half-life than Phenibut (I think), so maybe it should be 75-100mg 4x/day?

And then titrate down from there?

 

[Supeudol]

Yes because Baclofen acts on the GABA-B receptor. So Baclofen would be a good switch over, or GHB (If you have access to).

 

[rickolasnice]

Holy shit 8 grammes a day? Jesus man.. I'm addicted myself but can feel ok on 1200mg once a day..

Good luck with the switch over / taper / withdrawal.. let us know how it goes..

I'm gonna try phenazepam next week to come off my phenibut habbit.. i'll let you know how it goes.. The way i see it is we just have to mask the affects of the withdrawal (anxiety, insomnia, depression) and a GABAa agonist might be perfect for this seeing as a GABAb will only prolong the experience (although switchin may make it easier to taper)..

 

[Salr916]

I don't know if this thread is still going but what u need to do is start baclofen slowly before getting off phenibut. All of these drugs have different mechanisms. I know that you should max out at 80mg of baclofen a day. The most I heard people taking is 120mg which that caused very bad side effects. If you start baclofen and work your way up to 80mg, you will be drowsy and prob a few other side effects but the phenibut withdrawal will be much easier. You need to talk to an educated doctor who knows about this stuff just because I know some docs will just tell you to get off Meds without tapering. please message me if you have any questions.

 

[likwidsolutions]

This topic is a couple months old but I wanted to post in it because I'm currently dealing with Phenibut W/D myself. I am actually not finding it as bad as I thought it would be. I'm on Day 6/7 (7 days since I took it, but I diddn't count the first day), and the worst symptoms I've had were panic attacks (treated with clonidine quite well), insomnia (but not as bad as most, I couldn't sleep at all the first night, night 2 I got an hour or two of sleep, night 3 I got a full 8 hour grogginess sleep, and last night I got about 8 hours of sleeping/waking/sleeping/waking). But overall, it's gotten a lot better. Here's the link to that topic in case you want to see my progress:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/599335-Phenibut-Withdrawal?p=10131607#post10131607

Also, I'd really be interested in hearing about TC's experience, and if any others on here have gotten off of Phenibut fine? I think it might be somewhat easy for me because I've gone through Xanax withdrawal which lasted months, and this is a cakewalk compared to that. Also, even though I was taking up to 6 grams a day, I tended to do 2.5-3 a day more often, as I just didn't want to do that much. And I didn't sleep that well when I was taking 2-3, so I think I kind of accidentally tapered.

 

[Oxide]

Please do not bump old threads, although I will say thank you for adding something relevant to the topic at hand.

I don't think the OP is likely to return so I'm going to close this, there are lots of different threads about Phenibut floating around, and of course if you have a question you'd like to ask feel free to start your own thread.