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Phenibut. I screwed myself

sonicwhite

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Okay I always go thru *snip - NO SOURCES* for the phen.....I get the one that looks like sugar.....This time I waited a month and got more and it seemed like it did something at first but after that I have hardly any effect. I was taking it two and half months straight so I know that was the problem......I mean I can live without it......And I guess in some ways it's working but nothing like it did.......So any ones experience here with phenibut and tolerance.......I just never believed since last time I was getting off every time I used it.......Help bluelighters.
 
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Tolerance is a big problem with this drug; it's not cheap, and being dependent on it could prove financially unsustainable. My tolerance went from 3 grams a day to 9.5 grams a day in less than a month. And of course missing a dose isn't pretty at all. Right now, I'm trying to get off the stuff. Rather than tapering, I'm stopping cold and using etizolam to get me through the withdrawal, tapering the benzo to avoid dependence.

If I were you, you should avoid physical dependence to this drug. Tolerance is the main reason; I know people who take 20 grams in a day, and even that's not enough to hold them properly.
 
Tolerance is a big problem with this drug; it's not cheap, and being dependent on it could prove financially unsustainable. My tolerance went from 3 grams a day to 9.5 grams a day in less than a month. And of course missing a dose isn't pretty at all. Right now, I'm trying to get off the stuff. Rather than tapering, I'm stopping cold and using etizolam to get me through the withdrawal, tapering the benzo to avoid dependence.

If I were you, you should avoid physical dependence to this drug. Tolerance is the main reason; I know people who take 20 grams in a day, and even that's not enough to hold them properly.

Yeah, big time tolerance. Ive used it and my experience was after a couple days it like taking a sugar pill. Taking it 2-3 times a week would keep this from happening. But as far as daily use, I wouldnt mess with this drug. Waste of time, IMHO.
 
I've used phenibut since April this year. I bought 25g, with the little measure spoon, lol. Anyway, it was great stuff. I've never taken more than 1 x 600mg per week. I know, for some, that doesn't sound like a lot, but it was plenty enough for me - I was guaranteed to wake up and know it was gonna be a good day. That's all I wanted.

I got into a steady routine: 600mg, one hour before bed on a saturday night. It would give me a great night's sleep, and leave me feeling great the following day.

That's what I've stuck to since April. I'm just about to finish that original 25g white tub, with the little measure spoon :)

I've never experienced any diminished effects at this dose, and I don't expect to. I love it, and I urge people to respect it and stick to a strict routine with weekly, small doses. Anything above that and you're spoiling it for yerselfs.
 
Well I had to go thru withdrawals to understand that this stuff is really a once twice a week thing.....I have barely went thru the 100 gram tub since well I forgot when I got it.....But I ain't taking anymore for the simple reason it just doesn't do what it needs to do....I'm thinking a three month without should at least help the tolerance.
 
It's a very useful drug, but becoming dependent on the stuff is a bad idea, I saw how crazy my use was getting and decided I had to do something about it; having to buy 100 grams a week is not good for my bank account. I should add I used etizolam to get off phenibut once before; after five days of benzo use, I woke up and felt fine, no insomnia, no agitation or anxiety. Of course, it's important you don't use a benzo for more than 6 days at the most; tapering is also a very good idea. Of course using a benzo isn't the only way to do it but it worked for me.

I think phenibut is a great drug btw, but dependence to it can be fucking horrible.
 
Don't know what you guys are talking about, for the price of 4 bags of heroin you could get around 200grams on most sites, this shit is cheap.

Just taper, and do it slowly so it's not unpleasant, because unpleasantly leads to relspdr
 
Yes it's very , very cheap compared to other drugs, I agree. But the tolerance profile of this drug is like none I've ever experienced. I posted on this thread a couple weeks ago, I was using 9 G's a day...I know need 16 grams a day. So, that 200 gram bag will last me around 13 days (could be wrong there; maths is not a strong suit. And from 16 grams a day, who knows? I've heard of people with 30 G a day habit. I don't even know if there's a ceiling to this drug; the sky could be the limit - 50 G's a day? 80 grams a day? Ones thing for sure though: use this drug daily for months on end, and your liver will be at serious risk, not to mention your stomach; this is possibly the most acidic compound available. These Are not problems encountered by opiate users; sure, they could overdose, but opiates are actually benign to the body, almost harmless, in fact.

So yeah, smack is a lot pricier than phenibut, but believe me, maintaining a daily phenibut habit for months on end can also be pretty expensive. I used to buy 50 G's a month; I now buy 250 G's - it's not cheap.

Tapering is good advice actually. I'm trying it a different way: I'll stop cold and use a benzo for 7 days, tapering each day. It worked for me in alcohol detox, and phenibut targets exactly the same receptors as alcohol. I've always had trouble with tapering - it's a self-control thing.
 
Okay I always go thru *snip - NO SOURCES* for the phen.....I get the one that looks like sugar.....This time I waited a month and got more and it seemed like it did something at first but after that I have hardly any effect. I was taking it two and half months straight so I know that was the problem......I mean I can live without it......And I guess in some ways it's working but nothing like it did.......So any ones experience here with phenibut and tolerance.......I just never believed since last time I was getting off every time I used it.......Help bluelighters.

When you say the sugary-appearing stuff, do you mean the slightly granular, crystalline phenibut? If so, that's the real deal; pure phenibut. I brought some that was a a fine powder, white in colour, and it didn't taste right; it wasn't sour. They said it was pure, but that was cut, for sure. Always buy the crystalline stuff.

Anyway, it's already been said, but you're problem is tolerance; your body has adapted to your regular dose, and it needs a higher dose to get the same effects, and its a sign you may be dependent on the drug. If you use the stuff regularly, get used to this tolerance ;it will happen regularly. Btw h
What type of doses are we talking here? If its milligrams, its a perfect time to quit. If its multiple grams per day, you may find it more difficult, owing to withdrawal symptoms. As posted above tapering your dose is probably your best bet if you're ready to stop.
 
I would like to take this opportunity to share some unrelated feedback and warnings with regards to this substance that i think is important based on my experience in its use. This is the only "drug" that has almost killed me twice in a very short period of time without any warning whatsoever of a potential threat beforehand. Let me explain...

1. My personal experience with Phenibut is noticeable/recreational dosages of 2-3g
2. Phenibut is very sneaky and subtle in the fact that it results in all the risks of intoxication similar to alcohol without any of the warning sings that ensure you remain cautious, like with alcohol.
3. In my experience and at first on face value Phenibut results in an effect where you receive all the benefits of alcohol such as the "euphoria", social lubrication, confidence, anti anxiety effect etc etc etc without any of the typical signs and sensations of alcohol intoxication such as the physical and mental inebriation effects (double vision, dizzyness, feeling wobbly, memory loss, etc)
4. Unfortunately the above results in a false sense of security since you physically feel perfectly sober and therefore naturally assume you can perform functions that you would not normally do when intoxicated, such as driving.
5. Unfortunately, it is an illusion, Phenibut considerably impairs driving ability, but in very unexpected surprising ways
For example:
a) I was driving on the highway feeling perfectly fine and decided to change the CD in my car frontloader. Immediately as i diverted attention from the road to something else i lost control of the car and it was immediately obvious that it was not possible to split attention between two activities while on the substance like with sober driving, as any change in focus would result in a complete shift in attention causing the previous activity to fail completely. Basically no "muscle memory" driving was possible at all like we are all used to. I experienced this effect many times on the substance.

b) Secondly due to the exact same cause as the issue above, its entirely possible to completely disregard other unconscious but critical considerations when driving. For example, while distracted by a passenger, I drove straight through a red traffic light without even realizing, in an area very known to me. This never happened before in my 15 years of driving even when i was young and stupid and drove under the influence of MDMA, MDA, LSD, Shrooms etc. Usually you can speak to a passenger and will realize you need to stop for a red light, almost unconsciously due to the inherent ability to split your ttention when you are an experienced driver, but on Phenibut this ability vanishes completely. If it was not a Sunday and the roads empty I would have been dead at that intersection.

Anyways, just thought i needed to share this warning about not driving on this stuff as it took me completely by surprise even as an experienced hard drug user, more so then any other substance by far.
 
okay, i wanted to add a few things. i started another thread about phenibut and opiate potentiation. I am a little scared myself - took 2 grams 4 times 3 days apart, not so bad, but consider this - i can get considerable withdrawals from G from just a day or two of constant use - with the half life of PB, i may not have had it completely out of my system at any time... i know this probably won't be bad, but im still a little weirded out and going to stay off it awhile. It's great stuff, i had a wonderful night tonight on kratom and pheni at a bar instead of drinking, but GABA-B habits are BAD NEWS. also, a serious warming MIX THIS STUFF WITH OPIATES WITH CAUTION. not reliably, but at times i experience up to 3 or 4x potentiation. it's pretty crazy. makes 30mg of oxy go a long way, but 80mg a dangerous proposition! get the word out pls
 
I had to cut down to 400 mg four times a day. If anymore then that then it screws with my breathing at night which scares the crap out of me.....I'm also waiting for my nest appt so I can reup enough gabapentin to be able to jump off this stuff....And yes the granulars are what I always get.
 
Don't know what you guys are talking about, for the price of 4 bags of heroin you could get around 200grams on most sites, this shit is cheap.

Just taper, and do it slowly so it's not unpleasant, because unpleasantly leads to relspdr

yeah i dont understand how people have hard times with phenibut as it is so cheap and easy to taper or just use other meds(gabapentin) to come off completely..
 
Oh yeah, must be some memory loss type of thing...

Well, I lack self control, myself, so find it difficult to taper from any drug I enjoy, so I'm just taking it no more than 3 days in a row, then using etizolam and diclazepam for the next 3, hopefully avoiding physical dependence. Cheers 4 askin after me anyway, afterlystyle.
 
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