Misc Phenibut And Gaba

[pirtparty]

So today i was doing some research on Phenibut and GABA and places i looked at call Phenibut and GABA a supplement but people in some forums call them drugs? What are they officially labeled as in the U.S? I have seen pills with Phenibut in it as a " supplement " not a " drug " the FDA has very special ways of labeling them and rules about them which is why i am curious also does anyone know the difference between Phenibut and GABA exactly? I know they are related and almost similar also if anyone has had any experience....today i took around 750-800mg of GABA and around 2 grams of Phenibut (yes i know about the hangovers and withdraw they are not so bad and yes i understand addiction but i never get hardcore withdraw or any bad from it) I have taken it alot in the past with good results sometimes i build a tolerance but i stay off it for 3-5 days and its good again for some reason people say they feel nice and relaxed and social...but...i feel like GOOD like REALLY REALLY GOOD! Like i feel a little bit more then relaxed if you get what i mean like i feel really high when i take it and im not to sure why im not sure if other people feel like this is it the combination of GABA and Phenibut + the amounts? I know the basic internet and wiki information i was also hoping someone could explain more in some new words or new ways of describing them it has interested me for a very long time because like....its legal....its cheap.....and i feel really GOOD! Much love guys thanks for the help!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well, as far as I know, Phenibut is a GABA derivative. Basically GABA with a Phenyl ring attached. I dont know shit about that stuff though, just speaking from memory of stuff I´ve read in the past. The reason why GABA doesnt work and why Phenibut works very well, is that unlike GABA, Phenibut is able to cross the blood brain barrier.

You shouldn´t put too much into if something is labeled as one thing or the other, what matters is how the compound in question works, the side effect profile and stuff like that. I think it would be fair to say that Phenibut aint a supplement though, as its not something your body needs per see, its not like taking some multi vitamin you know

I dont understand your last question mate

 

[pinpoint]

A supplement is something you take to 'supplement' your diet such as vitamins, amino acids, proteins, etc. Phenibut is not found naturally in your diet and is a man-made drug, therefore it doesn't qualify as a supplement contrary to what vendors want you to believe.

Phenibut is as much a drug as heroin or cocaine.

Also the good feels don't last long. Enjoy the honeymoon - eventually the good feels fade and you will never get them back.

 

[thruonetrue]

well, like my buddy used to say "if its a supplement its 100% trash" - as on many other issues he's totally wrong regarding phenibut.
the problem with phenibut is the fact that it doenst combine real well with most other substances (mostly health issues, not "phenibut+blabla makes you _feel_ bad).
as far as I have researched this compound, always stayin close to the phenibut guide from drugs-forum cuz gettin hooked/withdrawals after short term usage is an important point. the following is not safe in any way and only a douche like me would even think of combining phenibut with a) alcohol: no problem, you dont even need to change your drinkin habits, although reduced intake is what I recommend as a daily drinker b) benzos: this could fuck you up in the way that you're just dyin..the whole chockin-on-your-own-puke and suffocate thing; but you can combine it when you choose short acting, non-hypnotic benzos c) opioids: phenibut will push the opis real hard..too hard, most def. endin up with uncontrollable nodding and passin out. but after some tries n dosage adjustments you have your phenibut dose for each opioid to push d) uppers: a waste of uppers, safe your stuff for better occasions.

whatever you do, READ and FOLLOW the following guidelines: http://ta.gd/2hy (drugs-forum "Phenibut Guidelines; The Complete Ropes, From Top to Bottom")
and except for some drinks maybe do not combine this stuff. another case of 'the advice I give is not the advice I take'.
stay safe regarding the enormous hook-you-up ability of this stuff.

thats it for now, waiting for hours that 2.1 grams of phenibut finally hit me. think i'll reduce waiting time by boilin some kratom tea.
stay safe n take care.

cheers!

 

[liftedgift]

I would get that awesome feeling too man, I especially liked the next-day-effects. Phenibut didn't give me the same amount of confidence as benzos give me, but it gave me more euphoria. I would combine it with kratom and they paired oh so nice. Phenibut also would make me horny as fuck. I remember closing work one night, all the employees take off their uniforms while closing to just be in a t-shirt underneath, and one of my co-workers was sweeping in this tight little shirt. FUUUCK I couldn't stop staring at her tits bouncing around. I legitimately got hard just looking at her with a shirt on and I had to like focus on the floor while mopping hoping it would let me die down before anyone saw : /

There was a point where I would force myself to cum in the morning hopefully lowering my desire so that I wouldn't pop one up at the gym or work. It was that bad. Very curious on why phenibut does that, is it effecting testosterone levels or what?

 

[No Longer Human]

Phenibut is the single most addictive drug I've ever taken. Tolerance builds up so quickly and I swear I went through acute withdrawals with 1.5-2 weeks of taking it everyday. My favorite thing for social anxiety if it wasn't for the quick dependence.

 

[thruonetrue]

Phenibut didn't give me the same amount of confidence as benzos give me, but it gave me more euphoria. [...]. Phenibut also would make me horny as fuck.

right on, I forgot to mention those points. I originally bought phenibut cuz I wanted some anxiolytic that is not a benzo - well, phenibut against anxiety is bs (for me). but I second your point regarding euphoria and I really wanna stress the hornyasfuck thing. after the first tries I experienced that as well, to a point where you just cum when watchin scenes like the one you described. over the course of time this substance lost that particular libidoboost quality. and thats ffs more a plus then a loss, you cannot go into public anymore without riskin gettin arrested as sexual offender. remember those hot summer days, girls wearin white shorts n barely anything to cover the top of their bodies...hard enuff to bare when on uppers but on phenibut its kinda like erotic torture.

overall I'd say phenibut is way overrated and does shit for anxiety issues. but nevertheless its still a potent substance which one should consume carefully.

good you brought that up, I'm thinkin of some particular morning experiences at work right now..
never read a girls report on the (auto)erotic quality of phenibut but I guess it would be identical - maybe described in a less pervert way ^^

 

[evergreenrider]

How the hell do i post a new thread? Its telling me a need to select a thread prefix? Uh, what the hell is a thread prefix? I had all fields entered, title, body, tags.

 

[thruonetrue]

a new thread? if you really mean that why do you ask for the how-to in _this_ thread? anyway, if you are a user with kinda few postings there are some obligations/regulations. but a simple REPLY to an existing thread shouldnt be a prob (?)

 

[evergreenrider]

Thank you kind sir

 

[KyleOpium]

You don't really want to go down the phenibut road, unless you plan to medicate for anxiety. I have extreme anxiety, and would use about 250mg, 3 times per day, for about a month stretch. I HAVE NEVER SUFFERED WITHDRAWALS. However, read on the forums of people trying to get high from it, using insane amounts like 6-7g per day, and you will suffer withdrawals. The fact of the matter is, if you use it in it's clinical dosage (250-750mg 3 times per day), youre very very unlikely to suffer physical withdrawals. If you're looking to get high, you may as well buy etizolam, as the withdrawals are shorter, and not nearly intense.

People need to stop looking at phenibut as a "legal benzo". It's really not, its good for anxiety relief in small doses, alcohol potentiation, and not much else due to its long half life, and the 2-3 hours it takes to even kick in.

 

[No Longer Human]

You don't really want to go down the phenibut road, unless you plan to medicate for anxiety. I have extreme anxiety, and would use about 250mg, 3 times per day, for about a month stretch. I HAVE NEVER SUFFERED WITHDRAWALS. However, read on the forums of people trying to get high from it, using insane amounts like 6-7g per day, and you will suffer withdrawals. The fact of the matter is, if you use it in it's clinical dosage (250-750mg 3 times per day), youre very very unlikely to suffer physical withdrawals. If you're looking to get high, you may as well buy etizolam, as the withdrawals are shorter, and not nearly intense.

People need to stop looking at phenibut as a "legal benzo". It's really not, its good for anxiety relief in small doses, alcohol potentiation, and not much else due to its long half life, and the 2-3 hours it takes to even kick in.

I'm sorry but those doses would not hold up at all with how quickly tolerance builds up for phenibut. I'm calling complete bullshit. This is way worse than your average benzo when it comes to tolerance. That is why people recommend taking it no more than three times a week and tolerance can still build up then. I took etizolam at 1 mg for about 5 months before and I noticed any kind of tolerance. Phenibut on the other hand; taking everyday led to horrible mental withdrawals after only two weeks. This is too bad. Phenibut does work for anxiety but at a bad cost.

 

[KyleOpium]

You can call bullshit all you want, but you haven't tried this dose yet have you? That is the clinical dosage they prescribe it in Russia, and other eastern european countries. It's used for 3 weeks, than discontinued. I know you're probably a Gaba Junkie who felt the need to oversensitize your gaba system due to lack of self control, but why don't you sober up from the Gabaergics, and try taking it at those doses. I've been doing it 3 weeks on 3 weeks of at 250mgx3 per day, and have felt absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. You're an idiot, go read up on some literature.

 

[No Longer Human]

Nope. I did approximately 225mg(measured with scale) one to two times a day. I still stand by my statement that tolerance builds up quicker than any gaba drug I've ever taken. This leads you down the rabbit hole because once something quits working, you are tempted to take more. Why the name calling? There are plenty of addiction stories of phenibut to back my statement, many from regular nootropic users because it's lumped in that class of drugs. These people don't normally abuse drugs or at least use drugs with much addiction potential. Peace Kyle. I didn't mean to get you riled up. We are all one or all none.

 

[KyleOpium]

I've never heard of anyone getting addicted from 225mg. And if it stops working, you simply stop taking it. Phenibut is not a long term anxiety treatment. Don't kid yourself and take more. Phenibut has NO recreational potential unless mixed with opiates, or taken in the gram dose range. I don't believe you did 225 mg twice a day either, or you wouldn't have gone through withdrawal. If you did, your GABA system is fucked, because in the thousands of clinical trials in russia, that dosage has never given anyone withdrawals. I simply dont' believe you, and think you took something more like in the gram range.

 

[No Longer Human]

So be it. I will let you believe what you want and I respect that. I have no way to prove my past phenibut use.

 

[KyleOpium]

Okay then. But you must have a fucked gaba system then, as out of thousands of clinical tests, no one has ever had withdrawal as severe as what you say it is. The only symptoms from discontuation were "minor headache and lethargy". Just admit you're a junkie and took too much. People need to understand phenibut isn't a "legal benzo". Thats what etizolam is for. Phenibut is best used as anti-anxiety at low doses, and as an opiate or alcohol potentiator. Take it for what it is, I'm actually kinda glad you got addicted and fucked your gaba system.

 

[No Longer Human]

Okay then. But you must have a fucked gaba system then, as out of thousands of clinical tests, no one has ever had withdrawal as severe as what you say it is. The only symptoms from discontuation were "minor headache and lethargy". Just admit you're a junkie and took too much. People need to understand phenibut isn't a "legal benzo". Thats what etizolam is for. Phenibut is best used as anti-anxiety at low doses, and as an opiate or alcohol potentiator. Take it for what it is, I'm actually kinda glad you got addicted and fucked your gaba system.

Stay classy KyleOpium. I wouldn't wish addiction upon anyone or be glad they became hooked.

 

[KyleOpium]

I definitely would. I sobered up from a 30 mg xanax habit after a few seizures, months of depersonalization, and a few hospitlizations. Gaba isn't to be fucked with, I realize that now, and anyone who refuses to listen to the obvious warnings people give deserve to go through the hell we did.

 

[No Longer Human]

I definitely would. I sobered up from a 30 mg xanax habit after a few seizures, months of depersonalization, and a few hospitlizations. Gaba isn't to be fucked with, I realize that now, and anyone who refuses to listen to the obvious warnings people give deserve to go through the hell we did.

I'm sorry you had to go through that man and I'm glad you made it out okay. Yes, there are warnings of the negative side effects of gabaergic drugs all over the internet. Some will completely ignore them; others won't. So it goes...