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Benzos phenazepam dosage (for a benzo tolerant user)

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How much phenazpam is too much for one day, chemically speaking for a tolerant benzohead?? Forget the weed.

Yesterday i took around say 8-9mg, found it quite amazingly manageaable cos it is quite sedative, m kinda liking this stuff more and mre.

I forgot what i was forgetting about remembering. Something or another im sure, There was another point to dis pretty pretty pretty - much, forgot it. %)
 
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I don't see any HR value to this. It would appear you have already taken too much. If you can turn this into a HR question, feel free to do so. But this type of intoxicated rambling won't generate any meaningful discussion.
 
It seems like 1-9mg seems to be about where you AUGHT to stay buddy, you're clearly beyond benzo'd the f' out when posting this. OP you aught to stay below 10mgs for sure because sooner or later that withdraw and tolerance will take effect and you won't have exp's like the one you are describing in your post.. You need to slow it down for your own good. I've been prescribed for up to 8mg of benzo mix 4-4mg xanax and klonopin for over a year.. It's time for myself to come away from these chemicals...... Keep it below 10mg!!
 
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phenazepam is almost exactly as potent as clonazepam mg for mg, in my experience, HOWEVER,

daily dose of phenazepam is about 50 to 80% stronger than a daily dose of clonazepam(this is because of phenazepam's long half life) also since it is because of the half-life, the higher the equivalent daily dose of clonazepam, the less potent phenazepam becomes(when used daily)in a non-linear way afaik. So for example, when I was using phenazepam I took 0.6to 0.8mg, when I switched to clonazepam my daily dosage was ~2.75mg.

so lets say you take 10mg a day to make it simple and we will say the halflife is 2days to make it simple and also to semi-compensate for raising the dose(I've tested multiple times and it is indeed 2-3days for it to halve, could tell by when i felt w/d starting).

half-life of two days would mean generally a decrease in active amount in your system of about 25% every day then + the daily 10mg dose, so:
by day:
1. 10mg
2. 17.5mg
3. 23.125mg
4. 27.34...mg
5. 30.51...mg
6. 32.88...mg
7. 34.66...mg
8. 35.99...mg
9. 37.00...mg
10. 37.74...mg
11. 38.31...mg
12. 38.73...mg
13. 39.05...mg
14. 39.29...mg
15. 39.47...mg
16. basically stabilizing around day 15-20 @ ~40mg

so if you take 10mg a day and consider the half life to be 2 days then it is likely you will end up stabilized @~40mg(give or take ~10mg for biological processes and uncertainty of how high doses will possibly alter the half life or something like that)

So unless you take ~40mg of clonazepam a day, I'd say taking near that much every day is a terrible idea. what I also tried before I could do more accurate liquid measurement was taking a full dose(eg. the same as you would take of clonazepam) but spacing it apart by 2 days. Neither method of measurement was accurate enough to taper because I was unable to figure out an exact half life, only a rather rough halflife based on wikipedia's source and my own experience. I suppose it is possible, but I wasn't going to risk something messing up the taper or making it even harder. If you're not tapering I suppose you could use phenazepam on regular basis as long as you are extremely careful and aware of it's halflife and how much it is building up to over time(every dose will cap at a certain active dose after a certain amount of days, btw, its all in the math)..

so
1. dont take 10mg a day
2. dont take any regularly until you figure out the range of active mg that that daily dose will cap at
3. phenazepam got me dependent on benzos, and I was taking <1mg 1-2 times a week and not even every week...until I had to because of the newly acquired w/d.. now I'm stuck tapering from 2.75mg.
4. if I could stop the existence of one drug it would powdered phenazepam... there are just too many variables that can lead you to being dependent on it...or making your dependency much worse..or not taking enough to keep off w/d. I would have no problem with it in a clonazepam/whatever type pill form(to know you have exact dosage) with a better studied half-life(or a study even attempting to map equivalent daily doses. so people could switch to it). It would probably actually be very nice to taper with then, but everything is so backwards in this reality so ofcourse it is the opposite... a cheap chemical you can order grams of online with daily doses for most people being around or less than half of 1mg and no real solid half-life data to work with which is hard/impossible when something lasts so long and you want to take long term...

hope that helps anyone who needs, I also made a calender where you can enter doses by the hour on any day and it automatically calculates the active dosage for each hour based on the half-life you give it, I used 2.25days for phenazepam. I just have to find place to host it and I will put it up if there is interest, it was actually the only thing that let me even try to taper or get a known steady dose with phenazepam(mostly through trial and error where I finally gave up due to it being too complex to figure out exactly how much the active dose was or how fast it decreased due to being unable to find an accurate halflife and other factors, like scale used and accuracy of liquid measurement).
 
i agree, 10mg or lower would be best.. i have been taking phenazepam a long time and my dose with it is usually around 10mg.
also in the past i went through w/d's from 10mg clonazepam (supposedly equipotent) and it took a year to taper down and finally get off that (but i kept taking small doses of phenazepam here and there, which i still do now but i use it for my anxiety NOT to get high.)
just remember that benzo tolerance goes down very slowly, also when you decide not to do benzos anymore, your memory will never be the same again and you won't feel right for a while.. at least it happened to me, i donno bout others who quit benzos.
 
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See, for some people I'm sure clonazepam is more potent and I'm sure possibly for some it is less potent, for me clonazepam and phenazepam are about equal in potency. I'm not a chart(compiled from other charts, which after checking the sources/other charts there are a decent amount that disagree with each other on potency even with popular benzos like xanax by a factor of 2..), just informing that for me 1mg phenazepam ~ 1mg clonazepam in terms of keeping away w/d(which is, imo, the best way to measure.. so the subjective effects/headspace doesn't change your idea of the potency.. if we're counting subjective effects then, for me, holy hell yes, phenazepam is weaker subjectively than clonazepam in every department except zombie sedation). But using subjective comparison isn't that useful because if I'm correct it would be the objective potency that you would get tolerant to, to a large extent anyway(you can also obv get tolerant to their specifics, hence the problems when switching benzos sometimes, but that seems to last a rather short time).

anyway thank you for providing more info on the dose equivalency(more of a reason not to use phenazepam daily, inconsistent/unknown equivalent doses between people), considering that it is phenazepam though and not any sort of western pharm benzo it's probably based on someone who made their best guess at potency(either after working with it lots or not, idk). I might be wrong, but lets say 1mg phenazepam = ~.5 to ~1mg clonazepam(It would certainly be close to that range and safer to say, imo, considering it's DEFINITELY not less than 3/4 as potent as clonazepam for me).




I'd say just dont use phenazepam daily...or weekly.. is my warning/point...even though this post is nothing about that hahah.
 
You gayuise arint be serious im doing, since i got it my phenaz bout 4-5-6 days ago and started it very easy but now 80-90mg phenz (this cant be classed day this is a binge) - sometimes in 3mg doses somtimes in 1.5mg - 1.8mg wuteva hits the scales i dont fuss on top of this last night i took around 8mg lorazepam along with the daily intake of the ph, was counciously aware i was loosing count but was like this is pucker tis a blssfullness place where only the fairys that know how to communicate with other, do. Trixed with lorazepam or not it gives sexy euphoria in high nice doeses.(3-4mg) bunned bare weed. bare
tea. bare warcraft. went bed bout 7-8am.buzzin.

i said that wrong 3mg = 300mg? ml ?

to me 3mg is 0.0030mg
 
Well if you're asking how much is too much for one occasion, then I would say there is no real concrete answer. Like I can't really understand your post 100%(some parts I don't quite follow at all, sorry, not an insult.. youre just on a lot of benzos) because you're leaving out important words and your statements are kind of mixed together without context, so I would say you are on enough... maybe too much? I mean it depends what your responsibilities are.. I would not drive anywhere.. you also have to think about the comedown from using high doses of benzos and the reduced ability to reason which could result in you continuing to use phenazepam at high doses daily.

Like for most people I would say 10mg(spaced at least a week apart or more)TOPS, I suppose your tolerance is much higher than most peoples', so you could take more I guess if it is a one time thing....but to me it's completely reckless sounding. Seriously even if it's better than weed(not sure if thats what you were saying lol), which is odd(large doses of phenazepam just make me unable to like focus on anything), the side effects and risks both short term and long term of phenazepam are infinitely higher even if you are already dependent on benzos it's no good.------------in my experienced opinion---------------

Also phenazepam, from all the reports I've read and people I've let try it and my own experience, is one of the least recreational/fun/useful benzos... so it's no wonder that you need to take so much to get a recreational effect... just know that just because it takes that much for it to become useful doesn't mean it isn't TOTALLY fucking over your benzo tolerance...

Have fun while it lasts though..seriously! :) Just please use self control or try...I'm not saying you aren't, I totally understand being "reckless/bingeing" for a couple of days on a drug(just don't continue random doses of phenazepam every day or honestly even every other day/etc).

So yeah there is really nothing else to say except good luck!
 
Yes, to me clonazepam being rated at 0.5mg = 10mg diazepam is laughable. I think the scientists who came up with that messed up.

But I don't mean to dispute the equivalency chart, just from personal experience clonazepam does absolutely nothing.
 
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Im going for a gmae of warcraft 8)

golden1 said:
Well if you're asking how much is too much for one occasion, then I would say there is no real concrete answer. Like I can't really understand your post 100%(some parts I don't quite follow at all, sorry, not an insult.. youre just on a lot of benzos) because you're leaving out important words and your statements are kind of mixed together without context, so I would say you are on enough... maybe too much? I mean it depends what your responsibilities are.. I would not drive anywhere.. you also have to think about the comedown from using high doses of benzos and the reduced ability to reason which could result in you continuing to use phenazepam at high doses daily.

Like for most people I would say 10mg(spaced at least a week apart or more)TOPS, I suppose your tolerance is much higher than most peoples', so you could take more I guess if it is a one time thing....but to me it's completely reckless sounding. Seriously even if it's better than weed(not sure if thats what you were saying lol), which is odd(large doses of phenazepam just make me unable to like focus on anything), the side effects and risks both short term and long term of phenazepam are infinitely higher even if you are already dependent on benzos it's no good.------------in my experienced opinion---------------

Also phenazepam, from all the reports I've read and people I've let try it and my own experience, is one of the least recreational/fun/useful benzos... so it's no wonder that you need to take so much to get a recreational effect... just know that just because it takes that much for it to become useful doesn't mean it isn't TOTALLY fucking over your benzo tolerance...

Have fun while it lasts though..seriously! :) Just please use self control or try...I'm not saying you aren't, I totally understand being "reckless/bingeing" for a couple of days on a drug(just don't continue random doses of phenazepam every day or honestly even every other day/etc).

So yeah there is really nothing else to say except good luck!
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wu ^^

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Yes, to me clonazepam being rated at 0.5mg = 10mg diazepam is laughable. I think the scientists who came up with that messed up.
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Yeah opens up alot of possibilities doesnt it in terms of how "safely" fcuked up one can get.
 
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Please don't triple post, use the edit function.

What do you mean it opens a lot of possibilities in terms of how safely one can get fucked up?

I do not understand what you're communicating.
 
Out of curiosity the pf i have as a very distinct taste specially roud 3mg+ upwards makr. Could anybody guess what that taste is ?

tricomb said:
Please don't triple post, use the edit function.

What do you mean it opens a lot of possibilities in terms of how safely one can get fucked up?

I do not understand what you're communicating.
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I do. You dont. Please dont make me explain xD
 
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Please do not spam these boards, being intoxicated is no excuse. You already have an infraction for this, cut it out now or your behavior will result in a temporary ban.
 
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