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Peyote: First-Time Psychadelic?

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Metropolisforever

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So, I met this girl recently. She's really into drugs. She wants me to come with her on a car trip to multiple deserts to get some peyote.

But I'm not sure if taking peyote would be a good idea.

You see, I've never tripped before. Sure, I know a lot about drugs, but the only ones I've actually done are weed, tobacco, alcohol (which was HORRIBLE), caffeine, gas huffing (not something I'm proud of), DXM, and some shrooms that didn't work.

Would peyote really be a good first-time psychadelic?
 
i've never taken peyote, but i have had a couple other types of cactus tea & extracted mescaline, and i think it would be an excellent first time psych. Aside from the nausea it had a really good body feel, cool visuals, very creative, flowing headspace, and not too harsh on the ego. These were all with pretty modest doses though. And dosing plant things is usually a bit unreliable, but i'd imagine you guys should be fine. Dunno if taking peyote out in the desert is a good idea, you probably wanna be in a controlled environment for your first time, but if you guys were planning on camping or something, that would probably be fine too. Definitely felt the urge to be around nature while on mescaline. Trees look especially nice.
 
Really? I always thought I was supposed to start with mushrooms, then LSA, then LSD, then salvia, then 2C-whatever, then DO-whatever, then peyote, then DMT. You know, like "building up".
 
dont do this

reasons being, peyote is extremely hard to grow, and what is out there should be saved for the Native American Church, since they use it as a sacrament. Peyote is going extinct do to fuckers like this girl.

if you want to experience mescaline, get some San Pedro or Peruvian Torch cacti. much easier, much better for the environment.

But yeah, AMD points out some good reasons why mescaline is not a good idea. Although it is reportedly somewhat easier on the psyche than LSD/shrooms/DMT/other trytamines, it can make you extremely nauseous, and the amount you have to consumer is significantly higher
 
Metropolisforever said:
Really? I always thought I was supposed to start with mushrooms, then LSA, then LSD, then salvia, then 2C-whatever, then DO-whatever, then peyote, then DMT. You know, like "building up".
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what? this build makes no sense. Salvia is significantly weirder than any 2cx, which are significantly weirder than mescaline. Anyways, why do LSA if you can get LSD?

the whole idea of building up, while it has its merits, also has some basic flaws. First, any psych, if you do a threshold dose, will be pretty benign. Secondly, they are all different. Ive had shrooms that left me breathless, and DMT that I barely felt. There is not one that is "easier" or "better" to start with, although some are worse (cough cough salvia).

do your research, find out whats available, make your decision from there. If you really want to trip, and all you can find is Compound X, then you have to decide whether you are ready for it.
 
Metropolisforever said:
Why not?

Also, it was arranged based on how powerful the substances are.
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still a flaw then. power is based on many things. Are you talking the amount needed? then LSD should be last on your list. Are you talking the ability to cause confusion? Then Salvia would either be last or second to last. The ability to cause ego death? Salvia would definitely be past any 2cx then.

My point was simply that this list is the type of thing most beginning drug users like to use, cause they think they can order their trips like they are ordering a pizza. There are many factors that go into making a good trip (or a bad one, for that matter) and all must be considered. For instance, nausea associated with mescaline, especially mescaline still inside a plant compound, means it is not an ideal first psychedelic. But the actual trip is considered to be very easy on the brain. Shrooms, on the other hand, can be very easy on the stomach if taken correctly, but can cause confusion and terror on a very large scale. If you look around BL, you will find that most people who say they've had a bad trip have had it either on Shrooms or on Salvia. This is not to say that it is any more likely, but since Shrooms are considered this "easy" psychedelic, alot more people jump into them completely unprepared.

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Metropolisforever said:
Really? I always thought I was supposed to start with mushrooms, then LSA, then LSD, then salvia, then 2C-whatever, then DO-whatever, then peyote, then DMT. You know, like "building up".
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I dunno about this progression, it seems really arbitrary to me.

For me, mushrooms are harder to handle than LSD, 2C-I etc. I think they are prone to cause anxiety, confusion and uncomfortable feelings, and it's a fine line between not tripping, a good trip and an overwhelming trip. Salvia is usually uncomfortable, anxious and overwhelming for me as well. LSA containing seeds, while usually a mellow trip for me, are notorious for a strong body load (nausea, vomiiting, muscle cramps etc).

While I have never personally tried mescaline containing cacti (well, a big enough dose to actually trip), I think they probably would be a good introduction. I find the phenylethylamine psychedelics (I have experience with 2C-I, MDA and MDMA) the least likely to cause a negative reaction due to their reletively clear headed nature (very little confusion aka "mindfuck"). Physical stimulation and stomach discomfort may be an issue though.

LSD, in moderate doses, would also be a good choice IMO. It's relatively visual at doses that won't leave you befuddled, and there is very little body load. It's pretty fun/recreational too. High doses can cause a good deal of mindfuck though.

I find the tryptamines (DMT, mushrooms etc) to be the most "advanced." These drugs aren't very well suited for a fun/recreational experience, they are more for personal/philosophical exploration. They have a lot to teach, but what they reveal is not always pleasant. I also find they tend have a lot of confusion during the trip, it's can be a real roller coaster ride.

hope that helps!
 
Metropolisforever said:
Really? I always thought I was supposed to start with mushrooms, then LSA, then LSD, then salvia, then 2C-whatever, then DO-whatever, then peyote, then DMT. You know, like "building up".
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Dose is a more important factor than the reputation a psychedelic holds, probably followed by what you want out of duration.

Mescaline is supposed to be much more smooth and slower than something like higher dose LSD or DMT hyperspace.

I assure as much as I can for one of the psychs that I have not taken that mescaline could be a nice first with the right dose, set, setting, and previous cumulative knowledge. ;)
 
I would not hesitate to give mescaline to a first timer. As a matter of fact, that's just what I did last night. The euphoria from it makes it almost impossible to have a bad trip and while it will definitely kick your ass, its a very gentle ass-kicking. My boyfriend who I was tripping with said that he's never experienced anything as incredible as mescaline and he's got more trips under his belt than I do (used to eat 20-25 hits of acid at a time about 15 years ago). The only one-up I have on him which I don't really consider a one up is he's not had the research chemicals. I don't like shrooms (they feel like I'm poisoned), I'm not fond of acid, and even weed can be much harsher than the mescaline was...
 
stay away from wild yotes - unless you really want property owners to shoot at you...

be sure you know what you are looking at if you do go do this really stupid thing that might end with buckshot in your ass - diffusa looks a lot like williamsii and you really don't want to eat that much pellotine. (1,2,3,4-Tetrahydro-6,7-dimethoxy-1,2-dimethyl-8-isoquinolinol) - it just makes sick and maybe tropane like intoxication... or is that the same thing???
 
It's a bad idea to go out into the desert trying to find peyote. For a start they're endangered and secondly a psychedelic virgin is going to struggle like fuck to swallow enough cactus sludge to trip on. Most people take one sip, vomit, and then put the cup down and say "Never fucking again".
 
Metropolisforever said:
Really? I always thought I was supposed to start with mushrooms, then LSA, then LSD, then salvia, then 2C-whatever, then DO-whatever, then peyote, then DMT. You know, like "building up".
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This is pretty arbitrary. There isn't any "right way" to go about which things you try in which order. The experiences are dependent on so many things other than the substance itself. Dosage level, set & setting, who you're with, what you're doing with your life at the time all have a great effect on any psych

rincewindrocks said:
dont do this

reasons being, peyote is extremely hard to grow, and what is out there should be saved for the Native American Church, since they use it as a sacrament. Peyote is going extinct do to fuckers like this girl.

if you want to experience mescaline, get some San Pedro or Peruvian Torch cacti. much easier, much better for the environment.

But yeah, AMD points out some good reasons why mescaline is not a good idea. Although it is reportedly somewhat easier on the psyche than LSD/shrooms/DMT/other trytamines, it can make you extremely nauseous, and the amount you have to consumer is significantly higher
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True, you really shouldn't pick wild peyote as it is endangered, but the Native American Church uses only farmed peyote for this exact reason. I would also recommend the trich species of cactus as a "greener" alternative to peyote. At the same time i don't think that the native american church should have a monopoly on peyote usage. I don't believe that their rituals any more or less legitimate than someone seeking self-discovery through altered states of consciousness. In fact, I'd say those two purposes are one in the same. If someone's taking it just to get "fucked up," well that's a different story all together. And lastly, yeah, the taste of any cactus is fucking disgusting. If you're not familiar with gross tasting things in your previous career of drug usage, you probably wanna build up to this one (not for the effects, just the stomach churning taste, ha).

surf.shaman said:
stay away from wild yotes - unless you really want property owners to shoot at you...

be sure you know what you are looking at if you do go do this really stupid thing that might end with buckshot in your ass - diffusa looks a lot like williamsii and you really don't want to eat that much pellotine. (1,2,3,4-Tetrahydro-6,7-dimethoxy-1,2-dimethyl-8-isoquinolinol) - it just makes sick and maybe tropane like intoxication... or is that the same thing???
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Ha, very true. I've been shot at with rock salt while shroom hunting a couple times, definitely not a fun way to start a trip :p Though it was quite exciting, certainly wouldn't recommend it. And trespassing & trying to find schedule 1 stuff would be a bad way to go to jail.

Ismene said:
It's a bad idea to go out into the desert trying to find peyote. For a start they're endangered and secondly a psychedelic virgin is going to struggle like fuck to swallow enough cactus sludge to trip on. Most people take one sip, vomit, and then put the cup down and say "Never fucking again".
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QFT, also solid advice. its really hard to get down if you aren't accustomed to such things.

MagickalKat777 said:
Get some bridgesii and take the time to cook it down... mescaline is an amazing experience.
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This is really the easiest way to go about it. I've never tried bridgesii, only San Pedro & Peruvian Torch, but they're all quite similar from what i've read
 
Metropolisforever said:
So, I met this girl recently. She's really into drugs. She wants me to come with her on a car trip to multiple deserts to get some peyote.
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So totally not jealous :D

But I'm not sure if taking peyote would be a good idea.

You see, I've never tripped before. Sure, I know a lot about drugs, but the only ones I've actually done are weed, tobacco, alcohol (which was HORRIBLE), caffeine, gas huffing (not something I'm proud of), DXM, and some shrooms that didn't work.

Would peyote really be a good first-time psychadelic?
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Probably. Mescaline is pretty gentle. Only thing is that it might be tricky to see what a dose is, but it tends to be a rather forgiving psychedelic.

Don't expect not to puke, but I never really minded.
 
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