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Perth Pills 11/05/03

hey,
just an update on our man who cooked the goose the other day, he's out of hospital and on the mend, runner, take five bucks out of the till for the call of meth, thats what the doc said it looked like too. appart from the gear and water, the only other thing that he had was some redbull from another friend and a spliff he shared with some random who offered8(
i'm not saying anything else about that though as meth aint my thing, just glad that the bloke is ok and would like to thank everyone for their concern.

on a better note it sounds like we can look forward to the start of fishing season again
cheers
kein
 
i'm glad he is ok.

meth + pot hehe, now that's not a prticularly good combination. On a come down yes, but if you're still wired, I wouldn't recommend though I know many that smoke cones and sprinkle some meth on top.

I once came to a mates house after a night on pills and we had a few nangs listened to some tunes and had a few lines of crushed rocks - and because we were so into music, we didn't even realise that we had about three small lines each by the time that the shops opened and we had to go buy presents for our mums (mothers day it was). So we had a cone before we left, all was very nice, until I got into the shopping centre and everything suddenly stopped making sense. I was in another dimension, with hardly the ability to tell myself that its just the drugs. For a good couple of minutes I lost any idea who my friends were, who I was, what the fuck was I doing, or if it is ok to throw up in the middle of the CD store... (luckily I didn't, but just, and all came back to sort of normal after only about 5 minutes). From then on, I only smoke cones on clear come downs and if it is after a binge and the THC starts taking you to strange places you are not prepared for, the best thing is to go to sleep, because at times the places might turn out to be just a little too strange :)
 
yeah there is alot of white mitsi batches going around , ones with a single score on the back witch are pretty weak , dont think they contain any pure MDxx , then there are the pnes with a X on the back like a plus sign witch are pretty good , kinda put's you in spastic mode abit.

purple motorolas are the bomb , droped one of these and was peaking for about +3 hours , best and smoothest peak ever.

had a white ministry of sound , took a while to come on , was kinda strong when first kciks in , really hot flashes and a little jaw clenching , peak wasnt that strong but.
 
kien. thanks for all your support through this shthouse time for me and my fam. tuff on all of us. slong as we all learn from it. its a break for me for awhile. hehe. but im feeling much better now.
thanks again G.M...

james.


for all you out there..dont mix the purpule mitsib and purple motorola...on their own they are fuckin wiked....but 1/2 way through the nite when i droped the motorola, that is wat fuct me. cant remember the night fuckall from then on..damm...becoz i had a fuckin sik night aswel.til i went kaput..and wish i got ppls fone numbers who i was talkin too..
 
Firstly i am glad you are ok.

However, whilst i do not advocate mixing pills either, do not be so quick to assume this was the sole reason for the very negative effects you experienced.

None of us know what are in either of these pills - we never do without laboratory equipment.
But at the same time we can often make educated guesses: From all accounts and test results the purple mitsis are strong MDMA and the purple motorolas are decently strong MDXX. No clear proof of methamphetamine, but generally once MDXX is tested as present its generally impossible to know.

(and as Babydoc said in the other thread; "amphetamines" in a drug test, unless specified, could be amphetamine, meth or MDXX - so thats unhelpful)

My point to all this is that its not always about whats in the pills - it can be about the user also.
The MDXX drugs and methamphetamine are powerful psychoactive substances - especially when it comes to their effects on mood, emotions and physiological responses. Psychosis, panic attacks, delerium, confusion are all possibilities - and its not just with METH - it is a mistake to solely blame meth for any negative/lingering effects from "pills".
Yes meth is potentially a time bomb for some people especially if used in high doses and for extended periods; but MDXX is just as powerful, if not moreso in the short term, both during the event and afterwards. Its effect on the brain is very significant, and 2 strong pills are capable of causing tremendous grief after the experience.

Its possible you were seriously dehydrated and did not know it, and then had a panic attack once home and you became completely delerious due to the dehydration. As i said it was POSSIBLE, but the possibilities are endless.

Yes its possible something within the motorola interacted with something in the mitsi - but its also possible that you as an indivdual had a very terrible episode at the tailend of an experience with very powerful drug/s.

I can take 100% pure pharmaceutical MDMA and drop dead - why? freak reaction, over heating/dehydration or hyponatremia - the drug is perfect, nothing wrong with it! Its just thats its powerful and on this occasion it either did not agree with me or I contributed to my own death by being irresponsible.

The warning you give about combining pills is an excellent one. But another, is the one that all these drugs are powerful, and can be unpredictable -yes maybe theres something "different" about a particular pill; but its equally likely both these pills contained moderate to strong amounts of MDMA and nothing else but impurities.

And that imo only gives more gravity to your warning and should serve as a reminder to everyone:
Just because you experience no negative problems 50 times in a row doesnt mean you wont the next time!
- and its not always about a "bad" pill, an irresponsible combo or even just going too hard for too long.
(Although any of those may just make that one bad experience all the more likely - but they are NOT PRE-REQUISITES!)
 
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Blue motorola

Blue Motorola- approx 8mm * 5mm -baby blue colour-
logo was motorola - M - score on back -this was consummed by a FOAF ;). came up after about 30 minutes to the peak after about 45min. slight eye wobbles and jaw clenching. peaked for about an hour then all back to normal. very short lasting pill but not a bad size dosage- unfortunately not tested so i can't help you there. if only these lasted longer they would be good.
pills like this make it too tempting to take more than one (or two or three).
 
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Runner said:

I once came to a mates house after a night on pills and we had a few nangs listened to some tunes and had a few lines of crushed rocks - and because we were so into music, we didn't even realise that we had about three small lines each by the time that the shops opened and we had to go buy presents for our mums (mothers day it was). So we had a cone before we left, all was very nice, until I got into the shopping centre and everything suddenly stopped making sense. I was in another dimension, with hardly the ability to tell myself that its just the drugs. For a good couple of minutes I lost any idea who my friends were, who I was, what the fuck was I doing, or if it is ok to throw up in the middle of the CD store... (luckily I didn't, but just, and all came back to sort of normal after only about 5 minutes).

Hmm reminds me of fear and loathing in las vegas!!! or is that perth =D Actually had an experience liek that once, went in to town for a nite out, had a cone and was tripping badly about it, ewww made me feel ill, however when i dropped half a pill it blew me away severely.
 
DeSpise said:


had green fish last weekend, two thumbs up, lovely clean and strong MDMA with no comedown or loss of tooth enamel, im going to stock up on these babies :)

the good ones have no score, and a single bevel on the back face. theyre quite thick pills, and have a very definate smell and taste, i believe its sassafras. you wont be dissapointed

didnt test, but trust me, 110% clean MDMA

i'd support that post, except for the tooth enamel, i was grinding a bit, and had visuals, tingles, nice pills .. quite strong in my opinion and take a decent 30+ mins to come on.

Exact same description as DeSpise's ^^^
 
yeh well white/grey mx's seem to be up to the usual high mx standard.

Also popped a white heart last night. seems to be good quality but i think i had too much alcohol & whip before hand to get full benefits. seems to be a sit on your arse pill though.

met a guy carrying brown +/- ie. a raised + sign one side, raised - the other. must be a few of these around too then.

best part of the night though was when i found bag of whip sitting on a couch in a club. tested it when i got home to be sure & measured it to be a full 8 ball. I feel for the poor bastard who lost it, but rest assured if you're reading this, i'll put it to good use :D
a lesson for all the kiddies out there, dreams can come true...
 
Had a white mitsi with a cross on the back on sat and purple motorola, the blueish variety on sunday during the day.

The white mitsi was eaten producing a very nice euphoric chatty peak for about 2 hours. No "on your arse" effect, which could have possibly been due to meth being smoked prior to going out. Clean but below average dose of MDMA in my opinion. I haven't had a pill in about a month so i was quite happy with it. Lasted only about 4 hours in total.

In the morning I tested the blue/purple motorola to produce a slightly strange result. The pill was fairly tall and very hard. Not crumbly at all. Marquise took a while to react with the colour changing slowly to orangy/purply but not amphetamine orange - more opiate red/orangy. It proceeded to darken and assume a more familiar MDx purple to very dark purple. Mandaline gave a text book fast blue-greeny/purple/brown-black reaction indicating MDMA. At this stage I wasn't really thinking that it might have an opiate in it, but just that the binders that made the pill so hard really slowed the marquise reaction down because mandeline didn't fizz either as it normally does. I thought it was that, or the pill is weak.

At this stage, my girlfriend has developed an annoying headache that wasn't going away. A puff of some meth normally takes these away, but in this case the headache increased. This got me slightly worried and regret giving her the meth. The headache had intensified and persisted. 200mg of ibuprofen was given and in 20 minutes thank fuck her headache was totally gone. (nothing worse then freaking out because you might have fucked someone up other than yourself - the key there is not to show that person that you actually freaked out yourself). After 3 hours of no headache (200mg of ibuprofen lasts about 2 hours) returning, food eating and resting in front of TV, we both took a half each of the motorolla - only a half in case her heachache returns, with a plan to take the second half as soon as effects of the first are felt and we feel good. Well, 45min later, bang, we are FUCKED. In a good way. A bit of jaw shake and eye rolling and good old on your arse fucked. And this is of a half. Classic MDMA effect. No sleepyness although we were tired and no other funny feeling indicating no opiates. The second half wasn't taken because we didn't need it!!! The peak was full on enough. WOW. The effect was subsiding a bit 3 hours later and the second half was eaten to produce an almost equally intense peak. 4 hours later, we were both pretty damn tired but still off our heads with huge dilated pupils. I had a bucket to send me to la-la-i've-lost-the-plot land so I can go to sleep in a dissosiated state. My girldfriend didn't since last time she did, she TOTALLY lost the plot and was talking loud as fuck in her sleep about work, singing songs full volume in her sleep etc.

The cones really fucked me up to the point where I didn't even know where I was or what the fuck is going on. This was ok, since by this time I was cuddled up to my girldfriend in a warm bed with reality far behind me. And that's all I remember. No painful can't-get-to-sleep agonies etc. Don't know yet about my girlfriend since she had to go to work this morning :( and I didn't get a chance to talk to her.

In summary, the blue/purple motorollas are fucking strong and little messy i'd say, although the "messy" feeling is all good and from many previous experiences is sometime just due to the strength of the pill. Do not double drop these because in my opinion this pill is up there with the strongest pills I've ever had (blue domes, pink playboys etc.). I've also had a pinkish/purple variety of Motorollas in the past which were nice and fairly strong but nowhere near as strong as these. I've also seen a motorolla of the same colour as I ate yesterday but a lot thinner in the past, so I don't know if they are the same.
 
runner, i think you just sorted out what happened to my mate, it sound like he had the same purple motorola as you had judging by reaction, only he had a whole on top of a purple mitsi, then a spliff all within a few hours and this is a bloke who is fairly new to the game... three days in hospital later and he was up and about again though. if it fucked you that bad imagine what happened to him8o now sounds like the little guy got too much of a good thing.
i agree with the report you give of the white mitsi's too, had a similar ride to you one of those the other night as well.
cheers
kein
 
haha, kein, i totally forgot about your mate... yeh, the story falls into place now.... the purple M that I had was fucking strong of a half and after having bucket, if I wasn't going to bed, I'd fucking flip out big time... If your mate had a spliff he would have ingested more THC as well as there is about 5-6 cones in a good spliff... The purple M is a quality MDMA belter though from the feeling that I got but then again, there is always the strangeness in Marquise result lurking in my mind. I'd love for someone to do an independent test on it.

Many people forget, that even if by itself THC is probably the safest drug to have, its phsycotropic and halucinagenic properties can be magnified to a dangerous level by other drugs or by a person's current state of mind. eg. lack of sleep, existing paranoia, meth/MDMA comedown/depression etc.

Anyways, go easy with the purple/blue Ms, the tall, hard variety, and please do an independent test on it, and go easy with dope afterwards if not particularly experienced or if not in a safe environment, or you'll end up like kein's mate.
 
:) bit of a trap there for young players i'd say, i hear green j's have been rating well up there too, i'm not sure if they are as strong as the motorola but i'm told they carry a decent kick. any thoughts?
kein
 
I've heard that pink smilies, the small thick variety are quite strong and look very similar to the pink/purple motorollas.
 
are those pink smilies anything like the white ones that were out late last year or earlier this year? i remember that they were well cool but i got the worst halucinations off of those things. for me its not at all uncommon to have about half an hour when i see people with horrible scars on them but i can just laugh all that off (i just think how terrible it would be if they were real and not just the product of my fried brain) but off those smilies i was seeing white goods and garden furniture on the dancefloor, no joke, my friends still have not let me live it down and always check to see if im seeing kelvinators or jarrah tables in events, i sometimes think its a shame that these things aren't real because they always get put in the most convenient spot for resting your bottle of water on or putting it away to keep cold.;)
anything else that we should keep our eyes out for??
kein
 
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