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Personal experiences with Benzo/Opiate combination.

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Which do you prefer and why?

I'll go first;
I like to take one before, and one during my opiate high. Some valium before, and a klonopin after always makes for a good high.

But, incase I had to choose I'd say I prefer dosing after. Seems to 'boost' the opiate high to another level. If that makes any sense

Too bad this tilidin stuff I have now isn't that suited for a nod. Even if accompanied by benzo(s). I like a high dose of tramadol more than this. But I swore to never touch that stuff (tramadol) again.

What are your opinions? I'm eager to know. :)

DISCLAIMER: This combination is not safe in any way possible. We recognize that this is a popular one amongst drug users and will continue to be so. This thread is about discussion of your own personal experiences with the combination and not about advising others in how to "safely" use these substances together. Any posts with suggestions, advocation, etc. that arent in the spirit of harm reduction will be unapproved.
 
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I understand that this is just discussion about the combination, its not under the wing of harm reduction. It can get to be a very dangerous combination and shouldnt be advocated in any way, shape, or form.

Re-opened with an added disclaimer. Please take a look at it before posting.

Also changed title to "Personal experiences with Benzo/Opiate combination." to accomodate the disclaimer.
 
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Thanks seyer. I understand where you're coming from and completely agree that it's a dangerous combination. Just wondering about other people's experiences with the combo. I do not advocate using this combination in any way. If you are keen on doing it anyway, PLEASE stick to the lowest dose possible. Remember, with downers: 1+1 = 3.

Grtz
 
I know it's weak and tame compared to what everyone else will say..

but for me, valium w/the right amount of codeine has always made for a happy day.

:)token
 
The right amount of codeine (300-400mg) can get me higher than 40mgs of oxycodone. So I don't concider that high inferior at all.

(Don't take over 100-150mg codeine unless you have a tolerance. Start low, work your way up if you have to.)
 
I wouldn't advocate for it, but I prefer taking my opiates with a benzodiazepine whenever possible. I have an easier time acquiring opiates than I do benzos, however, and so most of the time I take my opiates straight, without a benzo, or with some other potentiator instead such as benadryl.

But I'm always extremely careful whenever I take the two together, opiates and benzos. I'll significantly reduce my typical, everyday recreational dose of both substances. If my typical dose of oxycodone is 60 mg (insufflated) on any given day and my typical dose of alprazolam (xanax) is 4 mg, for example, then I'll take maybe just 40 mg oxycodone and 2 mg of xanax, and then I re-dose accordingly, of course.

I'm not sure which combination is my favorite, but of course oxycodone and klonopin go well together as do heroin and xanax. (I'm pretty sure that taking oxycodone with xanax and heroin with klonopin would produce relatively similar effects, but for whatever reason when I do take an opiate and a benzo together, it tends to be in the aforementioned combinations: oxycodone/klonopin and heroin/xanax.)

As for when I take each substance, well, I prefer to take the benzodiazepine first. I feel like it sort of "preps" me and my brain for whatever opiate I'm about to ingest.

But again, I wouldn't advise anyone to mix the two together. It's how overdoses occur, and it's unbelievably, devastatingly easy to take just a little bit too much, and then that's it... it's lights out and curtains.
 
Heh, funny verso. I have a harder time acquiring opies than I do benzos. Mind you I get all my pharms prescribed.
Tramadol is easy to get, but I have sworn off that poison. Codeine is OTC so even easier. Then there's tilidin, not so easily prescribed but this certain doctor doesn't mind giving me a prescriptions for 100 valiums, 100 klonopins and a bottle of valtran(tilidin) every now and then.

I just found out a little valium goes pretty well with tilidin. Took 20mg valium and 100mg tilidin and feeling swell.
Tried it with klonopin last night with less desirable effects. I ended up taking more klonopins than I can recall taking, and blacking out. I've never had this happen to me before, not even with zolpidem.. so IT IS EXTREMELY dangerous folks. Do not try this unless you're an experienced user (even then things can go wrong though), and if you absolutely feel like you have to try it, start with extremely low doses.

Stay safe people!
Can't be too careful when mixing these type of drugs. Nomatter the strength of the substance, it can kill you if your tolerance is low or if you're not careful when dosing.

back on topic: Thanks for your contribution verso. While I completely understand your concerns, people do this combo all the time anyway. It can't be helped. So we might aswell swap (horror-)stories to warn people of the potential risks involved, aswell as the high it can produce it you go about it in the right way.
 
Been heavily addicted to tramadol in very high doses ~800mg/day.
I quit that cold turkey and the withdrawals are the worst feeling I've had in my life.
I've undergone oxy w/d's too and compared to tramadol withdrawal, that was a joke..

It's an effective painkiller (for some, not all) but I would recommend everyone to stay far away from it. Or use it sparingly if you have to. Oxy is a better choice IME.
 
yes, as far as harm reduction goes, mixing CNS depressants is bad news, and I've shared the consequences.

I really only like to take benzodiazepines while on Opiate Replacement Therapy (suboxone or methadone). IMO, xanax/clonazepam etc... does not add much to a full agonist high, it's just useful to have them when you're coming down and waiting for your next fix.

When it comes to methadone or suboxone, I prefer to take my benzo first in the morning, followed by my maintenance dosage. I notice that buprenorphine tends to overpower the benzo effects, so I usually end up taking another small dosage after my suboxone has peaked.
 
PillToChill said:
Been heavily addicted to tramadol in very high doses ~800mg/day.
I quit that cold turkey and the withdrawals are the worst feeling I've had in my life.
I've undergone oxy w/d's too and compared to tramadol withdrawal, that was a joke..

It's an effective painkiller (for some, not all) but I would recommend everyone to stay far away from it. Or use it sparingly if you have to. Oxy is a better choice IME.
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I get it...
Unfortunately, it's so much easier than oxy to come by....
and cheaper...

<3token
 
my personal experience is... it's the best combination in the world for straight chillin. i usually eat half/or a full xanax bar depending on how my tolerance is at the moment, and then do some roxies(90mg) or opana(40mg).
 
Question..
I have somewhat of a benzo tolerance (1-3mg xanax every other day for the last month).
I have somewhat of an opiate tolerance - for the last 6 weeks or so: 200mg tramadol every day for around a week, then around 300mg codeine every other day (almost every day) for a few weeks, for the last week - 20-30mg oxycontin a day. I haven't had any oxy for a couple of days now. Had 1mg xanax today. Suppose I want to get a nice buzz happening tomorrow - what would be a safe dose of both oxy and xanax? Possibly with some GFJ as well.
I've combined xanax (1mg) and codeine (300mg) without any adverse effects.
I'm well acquainted with benzo tolerance (used to munch tonnes of the shit every day for a couple of years, but then I was off them for nearly 2 years - safe to say my tolerance was almost down to zero) and I'm only just starting to build up a tolerance now.
However I'm not familiar with opiate tolerance at all so would really like some suggestions as to how much oxy is safe to take for a pleasant experience.
Thanks :)
 
Youd be better off asking that in Basic Drug Discussion, as they handle dosage and combination questions.

Remember, these combinations are all very individual specific, but heres a good excerpt from one of the first posts in this thread:
verso said:
But I'm always extremely careful whenever I take the two together, opiates and benzos. I'll significantly reduce my typical, everyday recreational dose of both substances. If my typical dose of oxycodone is 60 mg (insufflated) on any given day and my typical dose of alprazolam (xanax) is 4 mg, for example, then I'll take maybe just 40 mg oxycodone and 2 mg of xanax, and then I re-dose accordingly, of course.
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Start low. You can always add more, but never take away what youve already consumed.

But like I said, BDD would provide a better answer for you.
 
My thoughts on the Opiate + Benzo combo = me sitting here for the past 30 minutes trying to describe how good but incredibly dangerous the combination is.

I've been nodding in an out of consciousness... and that's likely what you'll be doing, too, on this combination! I feel like adding a benzo to a milder opiate/opioid (such as hydrocodone or codeine), can take the experience from "meh" to noddy. Benzos & opiates used in the correct amounts can help you keep your opioid tolerance lower and more manageable (in the beginning at least) because you need less to get to where you want to be...

Actually, I don't think I've taken an opiate/opioid without a benzo in a really long time, like maybe 8 years or so because I've been prescribed Klonopin for so long... so at first it was super... I could nod off of a 10/325 Percocet... then of course my opiate tolerance rose as well as my benzo tolerance... and then you have a raging monster habit that won't be stopped... :\

I remember only my experiences with Vicodin without a benzo... and those were nice too... I don't think I will be trying an opiate by itself for a long time because that would mean I'd have to get off the benzos and I don't see that happening any time soon.. =D

All I can say is, been there, done that, got the t-shirt ... and still come back for more, as much as $$$ allows...
 
Heh rabidrabit, nice description. :D
Couldn't have said it any better.
Same pretty much applies to me.
 
Today I truly understood how powerful the combination can be. I just started a methadone taper, and I'm at 30 mg, I had been taking a shit load of clonazepam, and xanax, but once my dope use started to grow in the last two weeks, the benzo's slowly fell to the wayside, and I actually did my own little half assed taper so I could enjoy the dope and not experience benzo withdrawal.

Anyway, the other day I actually forgot to even take my clonazepam because I was so high, and then today, when I took it a little over 24 hours later, in addition to 30mg of methadone, I got super stoned off of it. I had only taken .5mg, but it felt like I had either doubled my dose of methadone, or had taken 2mg of clonazepam.. very nice feeling, but really dangerous. This combination has had me fall out in the past, and wake up shoved up with tubes and catheters, and the pleasure was not worth that pain.
 
with exception of a tiny dose, i've pretty much stopped mixing benzos with opiates

was sick of falling asleep and wasting my high and i stopped for harm reduction reasons
 
PillToChill said:
Been heavily addicted to tramadol in very high doses ~800mg/day.
I quit that cold turkey and the withdrawals are the worst feeling I've had in my life.
I've undergone oxy w/d's too and compared to tramadol withdrawal, that was a joke..
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I am about to go through this myself..and have been dreading it for days..
Sorry..off topic again.

<3token
 
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