Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics

[chaos_destroy]

Have a read over the thread about reversing tolerance to drugs by use of low dose NMDA antagonists like DXM or memantine in the Advanced Drug Discussion forum. It may have a solution for you.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=501875

 

[Ismene]

Taking moclobemide with mushrooms will turn the mushroom trip into a full-blown oral DMT trip which is about the most visual psychedelic experience there is.

But that has a big tolerance too - taking mushrooms and moclobemide more often than once every few months and there's a big drop-off in effects.

 

[Raihiar]

well, if you don't mind altering the trip a little bit, you might want to add a low dose of an anticholinergic (ie diphenhydramine 100-150mg).
At that dosage and without tolerance to anticholinergics, it adds a little "visual background" which the classic hallucinogen can work with.

One time i combined about 5 quite potent HBWR with 150mg dph, and that was the first and only time i had visuals on LSA... And the best part is, it didn't dimish the profound euphoria or the train of thoughts in any recognizable way.

If this sounds good to you, you might as well give it a shot

 

[swilow]

I'd say go for DMT (or better yet, DPT)...

Ayahuasca is very very very visual, at high doses unbearably visual. Everything becomes a shining hallucination. Every hallucination becomes a hallucination.

I wouldn't say that mescaline is especially visual, but something like 2C-B is very much so. 2C-E can be, but sometimes seems devoid....Truly though, ayahuasca.

 

[abrad84]

Playing around with anticholinergics really isn't the answer here. It woulld be very easy for something to go wrong.

 

[swilow]

^150mgs is a very small dose. I take about 200mg's or more of promethazine daily; all its done is induce some kind of mild parkinson's tremors, but at least I actually sleep and don't vomit on randoms.

 

[Dr Farnsworth]

As for the quote from Dr Farnsworth post, I am not sure if such logic is applicable to psychedelics(though it may be true for other classes of substances). The tolerance to psychedelics indeed can be developed, but not when a psychedelic substance is used once per month.

The enzyme they discovered re-sensitizes your neurons to serotonin. To my knowledge most psychedelics act on serotonin right?

My logic was that when you took LSD or mushrooms a lot you desensitized your receptors to the point that they arent coming back like they should.
This drug resensitizes receptors so i would hypothesize that it may make you able to trip again.

 

[krmd]

how about taking 5htp to increase the serotonin level before any psychedelic trip?
would this work for increasing visuals?

 

[moe.ron]

^i dont think so. Now im little hesitent to talk on this because i deffinitely dont understand the brain chemistry of psychs myself... but if I understand the way psychedelics bind to receptor sites correctly, increased serotonin levels (from the 5-htp) would actually compete with the psychedelic, hence making it weaker... I think, dont quote me on that, but I will say 5-htp deffinitely does not make a trip stronger or more visual

I find this topic real interesting though, its kind of like "anti-hppd". I think the most important thing that needs to be learned about HPPD is whether it is the result of permenent or temporary changes in brain function, and if so at what point are the lines crossed, or rather is it from damage to the photoreceptors in the eye, and if so does it eventually repair itself or return to normal. Theres the classic line regarding neurochemistry "cells that fire together, wire together", however over time I guess these connections can be weakened and slowely returned to normal, or change to something else at least...

Also, Im pretty sure ive seen a memeber on here named "Xorkoth" say he does not get visuals any more (big apologies if im getting users mixed up)... And I think Ive also seen him hint at his past psychedelic use (which I think most would consider pretty heavy) as the culprit.

Over my tripping career Ive deffinitely noticed a change in my visuals, how they act, what they do. Whether this is the result of changes in brain functioning, perment degrading of the eyes photoreceptors, getting "use to" the visual effect, tolerence, or perhaps that the same chemical can play on the senses in different ways at different times, changing even more depending on set and setting, well who can say. To be quite honest Ive got a case of HPPD myself, mainly as afterimages, these "black lines" that are very reminiscent of floaters, even behave as you expect floaters but clearly are not, and occassional what I call "color washing" over my eyes if a stare at a point for a few seconds then move my eye just a bit. sometimes its better, some times it worse, but it never really goes away.

 

[allium]

moe.ron is right, 5htp doesn't make your trip stronger. And, AFAIK, it really do it weaker for the reason described above.

Why not invest 100$ in a new psychedelic?

 

[krmd]

i will invest $100 dolar in a lot of new psychedelics

just wondered the situation for 5htp but I got a clear answer I guess...

 

[allium]

i will invest $100 dolar in a lot of new psychedelics

Happy tripping

just wondered the situation for 5htp but I got a clear answer I guess...

The 5-HTP looks like a tricky substance to me. If I were you, I would just search "5-htp psychedelics" on BL, there is interesting information to read.
The general consensus is that 5-HTP doesn't affect tripping(on psychedelics, 5-HT2a agonists) much, but helps for empathogens.

 

[pseudononamouse]

What settings have you tripped in recently? I find that visuals are most apparent in the dark and when looking at objects that have small details and/or repeating patterns such as trees and window screens. Also, maybe if you stop looking for them they will come. IME the most obvious lesson that I have gotten from several psychedelic sessions is that things really start to happen when you let go. Magic happens when you stop caring about magic happening.

 

[krmd]

i got my first 2C-E and this will be my first phenethylamine trip ever.. still not consumed, waiting for the ultra sensitive digital scale to come.
i don't remember how many lsd or mushroom trips i had, i guess i'm very well experienced on that substances.. but never ever had any triptamine or phenethylamine trip.

so if you consider my situation, how many miligram of 2C-E will be a common portion for me? and also how any will be a strong (but survival) portion for me?

i read many treads already, but wondering the opinions of yours guys..

 

[perKeceT]

never ever had any triptamine or phenethylamine trip.

...how many miligram of 2C-E will be a common portion for me? and also how any will be a strong (but survival) portion for me?

mushrooms are a tryptamine btw.

also, id start with 10mg 2c-e, then if you aren't satisfied wait a couple weeks and take 12-14mg. my circle gets 2c-e in 10mg capsules, and the rule of thumb whenever introducing them to people is "one isnt always enough, but two is usually WAY too much", meaning doubling the dose seems to increase the effects much more than two fold. its a great chemical though, not a lot of euphoria IME though, you feel pretty 'ehh' for lack of a better word, it doesn't feel bad mind you.

if you're considering snorting the 2c-e keep in mind that the dose is much smaller start with 2 or 3mg. however i cant in good conscience suggest snorting this to someone. a 5mg bump made it feel like my whole face had caught on fire. it was so painful i blew most of it out of my nose before i got any real effects. my friend managed to keep the 5mg in his nose, but went through the same pain and eventually puked 4 or 5 times. he says its the hardest hes ever tripped (taken fair share of shrooms/L) but to him it was pretty scary i guess. this happened months ago and he still cringes when i bring it up lol.

 

[fruni]

Your like my friend, only he never ever got hardcore visuals and headfuck once not even his first experiences or anything and I seen him eat around half oz's of shrooms and I did some acid with him and we would always get fucked up but he would always be so.. sober.. irritatingly sober.... Its my mission to get him fucked up one day lol. Apparently he gets a little bit of head fuck on high doses of mushrooms but only on the good trips.