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Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics

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Hello,

I'm having a problem, and searching any cure or explanation for it. So I will be grateful the ones who would share their knowledge.

The thing is, I have a pemanent loss of visual effects in psychedelics.
LSD or any kind of mushroom, no matters, I'm having very very less visuals anymore. I'm seeing the world as normal, under high doses of psychedelics.
I guess I possessed a general permanent toleration that never goes away.

I'm waiting for months to clear the tolerance, for example, I'm not doing any psychedelics for 4 months.. I guess it should be enough to reach to zero tolerance level. But still, also in higher doses, my visuals are very very less..
How can I know that they are less? I can compare with my old trips. I'm using psychedelics continiously for 6 years maybe. And for the last 2 years, the visuals are incredibly low. The trips are not shiny anymore.. Just a few wavings, little tracers, changing colors, but just that.

We grew Golden Teacher and Amazon mushrooms with ready to grow kits. My friends are reaching to the edge with 40 gr fresh.. When I eat 40 gr, the effect is close to zero. So I'm eating 100-120 gr fresh and still not satisfying.

We are taking very quality LSD, and all my friends are like swiming in an aquarium, they are all living in the Wonderland, but still I'm just seeing little waves and tracers.. no any little morphs!
under psychedelics all the world behind me is standing same like they are without psychedelics.

Believe me, I'm not searching for more like a hungry visual maniac! I really have a permanent loss of visuals in large amount. And it does not go away even if I not do anything for 4 months.

So, what shall I do to have the trips? I want my trip to shine again.. There is no shine anymore.. :(

Is there any fact that a permanent visual loss can happen? Anybody having same problem?

** There is fact that, if I increase the dosage, the visuals are slowly increasing. But I don't want to eat 200 grs of fresh Golder Teacher mushrooms or take 3-4 good LSD while my friends are having wonderful trips with 30-40 grs or 1 LSD.. I'm scaring to take such amounts.

Thanks!
 
Set and setting. If you're tripping with the same people, same psychedelics, in the same places for several years of course it will get boring.

Also, a lot of "visuals" become less noticeable if you're spending your whole trip waiting for them to appear. Chill out and enjoy your trips, some people just don't get massive visual distortions the same way others do. Everyone is wired differently.
 
Yes. Also bear in mind that after using the very same two substances over for years, you mind becomes completely adapted to that state. When you're tripping very often, your 'sober' awareness is not too far different from when your high. (afterglow?)

I would try rotating with different subtances with different pharmacodynamics, alongside the above suggestion to change your set and setting each time. Phenethylamines (mescaline etc.) are quite different enough to elicit an alternate experience that you should notice sensorily.
 
Everyone reacts differently to drugs, and you, yourself reacts differently to drugs from experience to experience.

There are also a variety of psychedelic drugs out there with the potential to meet your visual desires as long as you aren't hoping to see pink elephants flying along side you. DMT CEVs are out of this world, especially in combo with another psychedelic. Dissociatives offer a unique type of visuals (different experience than traditional psychedelics), which meets my desires for a strong visual experience.

Maybe you won't ever get the visual experiences you desire, but that doesn't mean you can't take something from the experiences, or find something to enjoy. Psychedelics offer a lot outside the visuals, and majority of people here in PD would agree that the visuals are a minor part. Let go and find the beauty in the experience whether or not it meets your full expectations.
 
Are you taking any medications?

How often were you tripping?

Take a long break. You loose the special feelings when you start tripping too frequently. But in my experience the visuals would never diminish just the mind state. I can have crazy visuals but the depth just isn't there mentally when I don't space them out enough.
 
try not looking for them. they might reappear when you forget they were there.
 
rm-rf said:
try not looking for them. they might reappear when you forget they were there.
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definitely this. partially why i like to drink a little bit while waiting for LSD to hit me. cause after an hour or so of beers shit starts morphing and its almost a surprise haha.
 
I agree with what everyone else said.

How often are do you do you take/were taking psychedelics, roughly? It seems to me the novelty has worn off.
 
i've found that i don't get the visuals i used to get as well. at first this was disappointing, cuz i'm a total window-licker, but i learned to accept it and forget about it. there's so much more to be gained from a trip than just pretty tracers and shit. and yeah, the more i forget about it, the more likely they are to come out when i'm trippin.
 
I usually have to wait months n months before dosing to get any real mind blowing visuals. No matter how much I dose, it seems time is the only thing that can bring the visuals back.
 
I'm not taking any medications.
I generally trip once in a month.

I guess the better thing to do is give a longer break and also double the portions when I'm going to trip.

Thanks for all the comments, guys! They are really helpful to clear my mind.

Also I never tried Mescaline or DMT before.. Mesacaline is very difficult to reach in here, but I can order DMT online.
I'm planing to order and try DMT. so which is your suggestion guys? smoking Mimosa Hostilis is enough? or shall I combine it with a MAO inhibitor? or shall I prepare Ayahuasca and drink?
 
I can order DMT online.
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Lucky one!

I'd suggest trying other substances too. In particular, 2C-E, 2C-T-7 from the phenethylamine family, and 4-substitued tryptamines. Especially if you're looking for visual experience.

I'm planing to order and try DMT. so which is your suggestion guys? smoking Mimosa Hostilis is enough? or shall I combine it with a MAO inhibitor? or shall I prepare Ayahuasca and drink?
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I'm pretty sure you can't smoke raw mimosa hostilis root, you should extract DMT from it firstly. Smoked DMT is active without MAOI, but some people recommend smoking with MAOI, because it intensifies and prolonges trip.

Oral DMT is inactive, and ayahuasca must contain some sort of MAOI.

If I were you, I would start with oral DMT, because smoked DMT can be too intense.
 
Sorry to hear your not tripping as well. Mayhaps try different things and see if those give good visuals.

The problem is that if a certain drug is used repeatedly, the organism adapts to the new situation and produces less of its own natural neurotransmitters. It starts using the drugs in place of its own substances. This is why, in order to have their aimed effects, most drugs have to be used in larger and larger amounts. However, when someone stops using drugs, the organism is suddenly faced with a shortage of neurotransmitters. Until it readapts to the drug-free situation the withdrawal negative effects are experienced.

The neurons in the VTA, the area the causes us to feel pleasure, are sensitive to serotonin, a neurotransmitter also associated with learning, sleep and mood. The team discovered that the PTEN enzyme acts on serotonin receptors present in the VTA, enhancing their receptivity, and thus increases brain cell activity. Without this enzyme the "reward" process sparked by drugs couldn't be turned on.

Theres another drug that was basically the same thing both being used to cure addiction but i think it would also work to lower your tolerance and re sensitize your receptors.
Now how you would get this.... :/
 
allium said:
Lucky one!

I'd suggest trying other substances too. In particular, 2C-E, 2C-T-7 from the phenethylamine family, and 4-substitued tryptamines. Especially if you're looking for visual experience.
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I wish they would sell them online too.. but unfortunately not.. and in the place where I live, it's like impossible to find such things. I guess I can only find in a Psychedelic Music Festival, this summer in outside.

Dr Farnsworth said:
Sorry to hear your not tripping as well. Mayhaps try different things and see if those give good visuals.

The problem is that if a certain drug is used repeatedly, the organism adapts to the new situation and produces less of its own natural neurotransmitters. It starts using the drugs in place of its own substances. This is why, in order to have their aimed effects, most drugs have to be used in larger and larger amounts. However, when someone stops using drugs, the organism is suddenly faced with a shortage of neurotransmitters. Until it readapts to the drug-free situation the withdrawal negative effects are experienced.

The neurons in the VTA, the area the causes us to feel pleasure, are sensitive to serotonin, a neurotransmitter also associated with learning, sleep and mood. The team discovered that the PTEN enzyme acts on serotonin receptors present in the VTA, enhancing their receptivity, and thus increases brain cell activity. Without this enzyme the "reward" process sparked by drugs couldn't be turned on.

Theres another drug that was basically the same thing both being used to cure addiction but i think it would also work to lower your tolerance and re sensitize your receptors.
Now how you would get this.... :/
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Sorry Dr Farnsworth but I didn't get the point that you want to tell me, maybe because of my lack of english. Do you suggest me to take another drug together (like serotonin) to activate or increase the visuals of the psychedelics?
 
Ah, I understand now that you meant Mimosa Hostilis by DMT, sorry.
But 2C-E, 2C-T-7 and 4-substitued tryptamines are very common, and widely sold online. And, hopefully this isn't "sourcing".

As for the quote from Dr Farnsworth post, I am not sure if such logic is applicable to psychedelics(though it may be true for other classes of substances). The tolerance to psychedelics indeed can be developed, but not when a psychedelic substance is used once per month.
 
i agree with the first answer, if you're waiting for them, they just wont come up.. if instead, you just relax, have a beer, lay down.. well, things will start moving around :)
 
no, bluelight cannot source you drugs. that is something you'll have to put a little bit of effort into.

edit: of course, someone could PM you the links and they would most likely get away with it. it depends on how far members are willing to go
 
,what are the major differences between 2c-e, 2c-t-7 and 4-substitues for you?
i already read some info by forum search but also wondering your answers too.
 
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