Peptides and Skinny guys

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I tried to search the forum as well as google for this answer before posting so I'm sorry if this has been answered before

So I just started at the Gym 3 months ago after about 8 years of not working out. I bought pro-hormones (epistane and trenovar) before doing good research and learning that I should workout for a solid year or two before starting any stack. So I put the PH back on the shelf until a much later date. I only weigh 145 now (up 10lb since starting) and the supplements I am taking are whey, Kre-alkylyn (creatine), and fish oil for my body and piracitam and choline citrate for my brain.

Recently a friend told me about peptides he is taking for a shoulder injury and lead me to research and read the sticky about peptides ghrh and ghrp. Upon reading I did not see any warnings about how "skinny guys" like me should avoid peptides. So here is my question...

Is it ok for skinny guys to take peptides to bulid muscle as long as we don't include test or any other anibolics in the stack? Should I bulk up "naturally" first and if so then what weight should I be before considering peptides.

Edit to add that I am age 29... 30 in March bleh.
 
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Peps would be OK for you in my book. Especially ghrp 6 for its hunger stimulating property. Combine it with cjc1295 without DAC to boost the GH releasing property of it. It'll help you eat more and put weight on and comfortable with needles. They're relatively safe with minimal side effects.
 
Neo,
I might try a test cycle in 9 months or so after building a solid foundation, finding a source, developing a routine and better eating habits. I think my biggest problem now is consuming enough protein. I do 60g shake for breakfast, a normal lunch, and another 60g shake in the evening but I find it hard to eat a full dinner at night on top of that shake (which is pissing off my wife who cooks chicken and veggies almost every night) so I am looking forward to the increase in appetite from peptides. Plus I kinda want the self-respect that comes with putting in some hard work before taking shortcuts.
 
I am glad you want to do the hard work man, lets every one know that your serious. To be honest people think the Performance Enhancing Drugs ( PEDs) some how make things less serious and easier.Its the opposite, it makes things more complicated and more difficult by adding another few dozen things you need to worry about. GHRP-6 or GHRP-2 may be your best bet just for all around mass, though GHRP-6 is great for hunger I get ravenous ass all hell on it. I under stand the hunger wall, what prevents a lot of guys from growing, is just lack of calories/ nutrients fro the job. If your having issues, try to sneak the protein powder into all kinds of shit like a scope in your oat meal get flavored types that mix with juice, and what have you. What are your macros? how many grams/day of protein. carbs/ fat and what is your total calorie count?
 
I had to research what macros are because I'm a newb. 120g protein from whey isolate. A barbecue sandwich and 39carb soda for lunch. 2 chicken breast strips + veggies (cooked garlic+carrots+onions+broccoli/brussel sprouts/ or some sort of greens) for dinner.

Looks like need to go buy a food scale (my milligram scale won't work) to get the exact numbers. I'll edit the post once I have a scale.

My meals are mostly identical from day to day except on "Date Night" once a week.
 
Most people think you need 1g+ of protein /lb of bodyweight but that is actually not necessary.
120g is enough for someone who weighs only 150lbs. Eating 200g instead of 120g would only make a very small difference.
 
145 pounds? dont get my wrong,I am stupid YOLO kid who wants to jump on shit asap just like ...,but at that weight,just buy steak and then eat carbs till u feel like puking 200pounds with 15% bodyfat can be had naturaly
 
Yeah man what you need to do is some thing like this :

1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of your goal weight
1.5g of Carbohydrate per pound of goal weight
1g fat per 6-7 pounds of goal body weight.

So say you want to be 200lbs the break down is as follows
200-250g protein
300g carbohydrates
33g fats

If you are taking in the above macros you should begin to put some size on naturally, it is the number one mistake most hard-gainers make: they don't eat and think they have trouble gaining when really they are just not getting enough to eat.
 
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Yeah man what you need to do is some thing like this :

1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of your goal weight
1.5g of Carbohydrate per pound of goal weight
1g fat per 6-7 pounds of goal body weight.

So say you want to be 200lbs the break down is as follows
200-250g protein
300g carbohydrates
33g fats

If you are taking in the above macros you should begin to put some size on naturally, it is the number one mistake most hard-gainers make: they don't eat and think they have trouble gaining when really they are just not getting enough to eat.
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nailed it,thats pretty much my everyday bulking macros I am 188lbs and eat 300 carbs and 200 protein,I get like extra pound every 40 days
 
Every 40 days? dude if your averaging 500-800 cals over your maintenance you should be averaging 1 pound a week. You need to reevaluate your maintenance cals or your diet but most likely booth.
 
Just drinking a gallon of whole milk a day on top of your current diet, guarantee you'll start putting on some size.
 
Dude I love the GOMAD system, ( Gallon Of Milk A Day ) I was all over that in high school, and college. Add all of your scoops of protein powder in the jug and just keep shaking lol. if you have a lactose issue look into almond milk ,rice milk, or if you want to punch up whole milk add some powdered milk to the whole milk its a great way of just boosting protein and calories in a way that you get the most from it.Honestly we grow well as infants n milk, and as long as your body can tolerate dairy, you should be fine, but even if you cant handle real dairy, rice, almond, even soy all make great substitutes, in fact I like adding almond to shakes because a it taste great and b the ration of omega fatty acids are really nice in nut milks Any way the little chart will give you a quick heads up of a few milks. The point being know where your going, and where your starting from makes the journey easier lol. That being said, RWTRWt - lay out your average week of training, give us a day in your diet your stats, ( height, weight, body fat%) Whats the goal ( Iknwo you want to gain soem size but how much> any trouble areas? are you just bulking or like lean bulking, or bulk then cut? What peptides are you planning on running ect ect lay out your cycle idea
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Not enough food kept me from growing for a bit/stalled out. Ghrp6 ramped up the appetite something ridiculous. I'm talking doing a single 100mcg (micro gram) shot and I eat 1500 calories easy. It's the see food diet drug: see food and eat it. Invest in a milk card as I drink about 1/2 gallon a day on top of my food intake (1 liter per shake). I'm considered "enhanced" Now but I'm 5' 6" ish and weigh in at 180 now at low teens bf. Only been "on" for 2 weeks or so thus the test e in my system isn't really kicking hard yet. This is coming from a guy who two years ago weighed 135.
 
lol Not bad man, yeah the ghrp-6 works wonders fro hunger. But you have to admit most "hard gainers " just aren't eating, some times you just have to get clever with adding in the calories.
 
Neoprimitive said:
Every 40 days? dude if your averaging 500-800 cals over your maintenance you should be averaging 1 pound a week. You need to reevaluate your maintenance cals or your diet but most likely booth.
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you are right :( i have petite faggot stomach and even with dirty simple carbs I struggle to get enough,its mental drain force feeding myself everyday
 
You just have to eat, steadily, start learning tricks to get a few extra calories dirty or not into your meals. try to eat smaller meals more frequently if you cant handle large meals. It is a job but, you gotta do it man.
 
If you're not overly averse to the idea, consider having a joint or two Sunday arvo to bust down some ridiculous cals :P

Key is to eat. Eat until you don't feel good, then let it settle....until you don't feel sick any more, at which point eat MORE :D

Also add more (good) fats to your diet. If you're struggling to get cals down, remember that 1g of carbs/protein = 4 calories, while 1g of fat = 9 calories. Shit like peanut butter works a treat for this! Or add a teaspoon of coconut oil to your cooked meals.
 
flyhighk said:
Most people think you need 1g+ of protein /lb of bodyweight but that is actually not necessary.
120g is enough for someone who weighs only 150lbs. Eating 200g instead of 120g would only make a very small difference.
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If wanting to gain weight: Eat for the bodyweight you want, not the bodyweight you have now..!!
 
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