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People who don't do drugs are missing out

garuda didn't say they don't deserve respect. he specifically said that they do.

what i believe is that i have experienced the closest thing to realizing and knowing God as i can imagine. something you can only dream about, and i pity those who are afraid to ingest a little chemical or plant that can do the same for them.

but pity for someone not experiencing something wonderful isn't the same as not respecting them.

edit for further clarification, this post is meant in generality, we are speaking casually, i certainly do not expect every person to be healthy enough mentally or physically to be able to experiment with certain drugs. i would think that is fairly obvious, but guess not.
 
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I show non-users the same respect I should get as a user. Unfortunately, the amount isn't always equal...
 
DarthMom said:
garuda didn't say they don't deserve respect. what i believe is that i have experienced the closest thing to realizing and knowing God as i can imagine. something you can only dream about, and i pity those who are afraid to ingest a little chemical or plant that can do the same for them.

but pity for someone not experiencing something wonderful isn't the same as not respecting them.
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Do you honestly think that everyone will have a wonderful experience? I have had insanely profound experiences myself, but I don't think it would be a wise decision for everyone in the population to indulge because not everyone is mentally prepared for that type of experience. And actually, not all drug users have great experiences all the time, how many people on this board alone have had horrible experiences with drugs? Some people have had such bad experiences that it has turned them off from drugs all together.

I also don't think that you should downplay the effects that drugs have on a person's body. "A little chemical or plant"? If those drugs have the ability to completely change who you are as a person then it's reasonable for people to have fear. It's not childsplay, and it's not for everyone.
 
i didn't "honestly" say much at all in that post for you to infer all that crap.

didn't say it was childsplay, didn't say it was for everyone. didn't say those with health issues should explore it, and i didn't say everyone would have the same experience. said i pity people who haven't had the same experiences as some of us do and are afraid things such as marijuana, mushrooms, mdma, ibogaine, ayahuasca etc etc....i pity people who are not open to researching them, the effects and the reality behind the potential for self help, overcoming addictions and personals traumas and use as a therapeutic tool.
 
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purplefirefly said:
Drug use shouldn't define you as a person. Maybe there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't be able to mentally handle a pychedelic experience or who wouldn't enjoy opiates (I know I sure don't). Using drugs is a very personal choice, and you need to go about it for the right reasons. Remember, drugs effect everyone differently so just because you had an awesome mind blowing experience doesn't mean that everyone else is going to either.

People who choose not to use deserve just as much respect as everyone who chooses to use.

Just my .02
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I think that this post was well thought out and well written. Your posts always are pfly!
~~Sasha
 
DarthMom said:
i didn't "honestly" say much at all in that post for you to infer all that crap.

didn't say it was childsplay, didn't say it was for everyone. didn't say those with health issues should explore it, and i didn't say everyone would have the same experience. said i pity people who haven't had the same experiences as some of us do and are afraid things such as marijuana, mushrooms, mdma, ibogaine, ayahuasca etc etc....and are not open to researching them, the effects and the reality behind the potential for self help, overcoming addictions and personals traumas and use as a therapeutic tool.
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Why pity if there is not guarentee that it is going to help them? You will certainly agree that there isn't any type of guarentee that those drugs that you listed better a person?? So what if they try and it doesn't work and then they are in a worse place psychologically?

I'm sorry, I just don't understand your reasoning.
 
well it isn't necessary for me that you do.

and frankly you are saying shit i never said. perhaps it is just bad reading on your part. or also, could be that i wasn't clear, so let me try once more



i feel bad for others who haven't experienced something blissful, simple as that, never said that it is a guarantee for everyone who uses something. don't really think i lost you there did i?

i also pity people who aren't wise enough or brave enough to research the healing potentials in ayahuasca, mdma, iboga etc. if they have issues to deal with that modern medicine failed them. simple as my first sentiment.

i never said everyone should experiment with mind altering and consciousness expanding drugs. and i never said it works for everyone. don't put words in my mouth, it kind of pisses me off.

that whole comment was just in response to you misunderstanding garudas post in the first place.

he specifically said *i respect their choice* are we done now? thanks.

sorry if i am pissy, i am uber tired.
 
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DarthMom said:
well it isn't necessary for me that you do.

and frankly you are saying shit i never said. perhaps it is just bad reading on your part. or also, could be that i wasn't clear, so let me try once more



i feel bad for others who haven't experienced something blissful, simple as that, never said that it is a guarantee for everyone who uses something. don't really think i lost you there did i?

i also pity people who aren't wise enough or brave enough to research the healing potentials in ayahuasca, mdma, iboga etc. if they have issues to deal with that modern medicine failed them. simple as my first sentiment.

i never said everyone should experiment with mind altering and consciousness expanding drugs. and i never said it works for everyone. don't put words in my mouth, it kind of pisses me off.

that whole comment was just in response to you misunderstanding garudas post in the first place.

he specifically said *i respect their choice* are we done now? thanks.

sorry if i am pissy, i am uber tired.
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You're beginning to contradict yourself, so yes, we are done.



QUESTION FOR EVERYONE: I'm just curious that why, on a public message board, that people who do not instantly agree seem to just want to throw the debate/discussion right out the window? What is the point of posting if we are only going to agree with each other? I find that extremely boring. Just a thought though. *shrugs*
 
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sc4t said:
sharpezor, i'm assuming you're generally speaking of basic psychedelic use.

is that correct?

do you feel the same about the use of uppers and downers? if so, why?

i'm curious as to see where you are coming from.
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Stimulation of the mind is the most psychadelic experience you can have. Visions and perceptual changes are nothing unless you can feel the senses exhilarated by the rythmes around you. Stimulants like amphetamine make the world seem a constant adrenaline rush, a rush of empowerment. Music, dancing, moving and living becomes so surreal on stimulants, you become more than you were before. Euphoria, the happiness and confidence.

The greatest time I've ever had in life happened to have come today, this morning actually. I had to get up early to drive my brother to the train. Put on D-Block "Peer Pressure II" for the bang as I'm driving. Because its summer and I had to leave at 7am to drop him off I had taken 40mg of Adderall (20mg instant, 20mg delay). The drive out there and back was insane. Going through the tight turns speeding up in my new Nissan Altima was insane. I got my license just last friday and to have the time alone in the car on the way back, and even driving out there with my bro it was amazing. You've not lived til you've been on speed going through tight turns with a sports car with an open road ahead to go fast.

Drugs don't always mean getting super fucking high, they can mean more than that. Drugs can mean opening up past your fears and facing them. Drugs can mean opening up to others emotionaly, even metaphysically. You explore yourself and others while high, and you don't need to be shooting heroin, smoking marijuana, or popping speed to experience that. There's a variety out there and there will always be something for everyone, just a matter of finding it and going out there living life to its fullest. Abuse is overrated, respect drugs and you'll get respect back. Life's moments can be the most amazing experiences if you take hold and don't let go, and sometimes drugs allow you to keep hanging on.
 
purplefirefly said:
You're beginning to contradict yourself, so yes, we are done.
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no i wasn't, and good.

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE: I'm just curious that why, on a public message board, that people who do not instantly agree seem to just want to throw the debate/discussion right out the window? What is the point of posting if we are only going to agree with each other? I find that extremely boring. Just a thought though. *shrugs*
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oh stfu. you misstated garudos post from the get go, then did the same with me. disagreement is great, i have enjoyed debate on teh interweb for years, but disagreement isn't don't by misstating someone, mistquoting them, or putting words in their mouth, or inferring shit that isn't there simply for you to have a "point" it was a blatant red herring. we are on the same side, yet you are arguing trivialities.

but no worries, since we are done here.
 
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DarkCode said:
Drugs don't always mean getting super fucking high, they can mean more than that. Drugs can mean opening up past your fears and facing them. Drugs can mean opening up to others emotionaly, even metaphysically. You explore yourself and others while high, and you don't need to be shooting heroin, smoking marijuana, or popping speed to experience that. There's a variety out there and there will always be something for everyone, just a matter of finding it and going out there living life to its fullest. Abuse is overrated, respect drugs and you'll get respect back. Life's moments can be the most amazing experiences if you take hold and don't let go, and sometimes drugs allow you to keep hanging on.
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good post. we have so much potential for paradise on earth and supreme happiness with the drugs available used the right way. www.bltc.com
 
I'll say it.

I feel sorry for all of them. Unlike some of you, I DO think everyone should try it. The problem is convincing them to be comfortable enough with it that they aren't pre-disposed to a bad experience. I blame the mind control machine for that. If it doesn't work out for you, if you have a bad experience, you quit. But like many foods, you don't know if you'll like it till you try it.

I was straight edge till I was in my mid 20's. No drinking, no smoking, no drugs. I met my wife, who was very involved in the spiritual side of drugs and psychadelics, and her experiences intrigued me. She was very adamant that it was a spiritual journey and not a purely physical feel good justification. So I broke down, started trying some stuff, and I feel completely enlightened. I can say without a doubt that it has completely changed my life, and I've only been involved in a very very small amount on a very limited basis, but my experiences, have completely rocked me to my core, so I do feel sorry for people who don't have the courage to look beyond the mind control machine of the government, do some research on what drugs are actually somewhat safe, get an idea of the expected outcome and go for a little trip through the universe. They are IMO, really missing out. I honestly couldn't fathom my life without having the opportunity to have those experiences.

I listen to my friends at work who are very very anti-drug, spout garbage and falsity, pure disdain, and I find in the back of my head thinking "If perhaps you tried it, you might feel differently". Its a shame that the propoganda is preventing you from increasing the joy in your life. Not definately, its not 100%, but the risk vs payoff is phenominal IMO, and worth the risk.

** Disclaimer - Obviously, my statement doesn't necessarily expand to include all types of drugs. So let me clarify that based on my experiences with the few I've been involved with, I do feel sorry for those without the courage or the knowledge to let go of their reservations.
 
DarthMom said:
no i wasn't, and good.


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oh stfu. you misstated garudos post from the get go, then did the same with me. disagreement is great, i have enjoyed debate on teh interweb for years, but disagreement isn't don't by misstating someone, mistquoting them, or putting words in their mouth, or inferring shit that isn't there simply for you to have a "point" it was a blatant red herring. we are on the same side, yet you are arguing trivialities.

but no worries, since we are done here.
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Boy you really have it out for me.

I never mistated you or misquoted you, I was merely asking you questions. I also never put words in your mouth (or anyone else's for that matter) All I did was state my opinion and asked you questions to back up yours to make sure that I understood you correctly. I apologize if I don't understand everything on the first try, I like to ask a lot of questions to generate some good discussion.

I also never said that garudos said that people who don't use drugs shouldn't be respected, I was basically reiterating his comment when I mentioned that.

But if you can't be respectable then please don't respond to my posts. And yes, telling me to "stfu" is being disrespectful. I don't think I was disrepectful to you at all.
 
why would i have it out for you? i don't even know you.


so we misinterpreted each others posts, that is fine. we aren't getting anywhere doing this though, and i don't enjoy online bickering, not going to fuck up this thread so let's this be the last discussion between us. if you have any specific questions per anything i have said, you can PM me.
 
i have some sympathy with purplefirefly's position.

i'm playing devil's advocate but, to those who (i'm paraphrasing) say "people who don't do drugs are missing out" consider that, perhaps, you're the one who's missing out?

missing out on a certain bliss which comes entirely from within and isn't dependent on a chemical or a plant.

this is another example of snobbery and, for me, that always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. suggesting that the experience of others is somehow inferior simply because they've made a different choice than you is childish at best.
My Higher Self said:
...but the risk vs payoff is phenominal IMO, and worth the risk.
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i note that you typed 'imo' but who calculates 'worth'? the individual. i respect the right of others to make their own determination of 'worth'.
My Higher Self said:
I do feel sorry for those without the courage or the knowledge to let go of their reservations.
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maybe it's not lack of courage or ignorance - maybe it's something else? consider that? perhaps they've simply made a different choice than you. perhaps for reasons you'll never be able to understand?

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alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
i have some sympathy with purplefirefly's position.

i'm playing devil's advocate but, to those who (i'm paraphrasing) say "people who don't do drugs are missing out" consider that, perhaps, you're the one who's missing out?

missing out on a certain bliss which comes entirely from within and isn't dependent on a chemical or a plant.
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you are forgetting we were there once too. it isn't speaking from ignorance.

and in my posts i wasn't inferring the average drug user is blissful because of their use. hope that isn't what was heard. they were two completely different points. there are some people who indeed overcome depression bc of it. but that is no way means it does it for everyone. those who are prone to schizophrenia, amongst other disorders, could have a lot of issues they wouldn't have without them.
 
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