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People who don't do drugs are missing out

Jimboach said:
PFF, I have to say, you're usually very on track and informative but I think you are way off on this topic.

Given the ideal scenario where the person is healthy enough to do drugs, I think they really are neglecting themselves a worthwhile experience by not experimenting. This isn't to say, abusing drugs but simply attaining an awareness that doesn't come from sobriety.

The mind is a complex and wonderful tool and if we can utilize it with the same genius that has provided us with cars, computers, internet, and medicine, I can't see how anyone can honestly say they aren't missing out.

They don't know! People will readily say how medicine is something we would miss if we did not have it but many, because of social stigma are afraid to enjoy the enhancements of drugs for simple recreational usage.

This is the site...we're free to say it, so let go. Someone pass the pipe.
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I'm sorry but I just can't agree.

Why are you so against someone just being content with they way that they are and not wanting it indulge in drugs? Drugs, I might add, that may or may not be dangerous to your brain or your body. There are a lot of drugs out there that don't have scientific documentation to back up their safety, not to mention all of the cuts that exist, use as your own risk basically. To those people, it's just not worth the risk, to us, the drug users, it is worth the risk.

Remember, they may OR may not be neglecting themselves a worthwile experience, the experience in itself is unique to each individual.


My Higher Self said:
Obviously I don't want them to have a bad experience, and if they did, I would stand by them as sure as can be that drugs just aren't for them.
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Wouldn't it be too late at that point?

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Although not scientifically proven, there is strong epidemiologic and laboratory data linking a rare, degenerative, fatal brain disorder in humans called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) to the consumption of BSE-contaminated product. This type of disease begins primarily with psychiatric symptoms and affects younger patients (median age, 28 years).
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I notice that your article states that it's not scientifically proven that humans are suspectible to BSE. What are you trying to prove?
 
Darthmom:

Feel better attempting to put me in my place? And all because I don't agree with every single little statement that you make? Wow.

You really haven't read anything that I have written because you have me all wrong. Where do you even get that I am a "hardcore anti drug nazi"?? How can be a moderator and an active poster on a drug board if I think no one should use drugs? If you ask anyone who reads my post that's not how I am at all.

I am a hardcore drug nazi because I don't think that people who CHOOSE not to use drugs should be pitied because they are inherently missing out on something?

Talk about going in circles.
 
Jimboach said:
Given the ideal scenario where the person is healthy enough to do drugs, I think they really are neglecting themselves a worthwhile experience by not experimenting. This isn't to say, abusing drugs but simply attaining an awareness that doesn't come from sobriety.

The mind is a complex and wonderful tool and if we can utilize it with the same genius that has provided us with cars, computers, internet, and medicine, I can't see how anyone can honestly say they aren't missing out.

They don't know! People will readily say how medicine is something we would miss if we did not have it but many, because of social stigma are afraid to enjoy the enhancements of drugs for simple recreational usage.

This is the site...we're free to say it, so let go. Someone pass the pipe.
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+1, couldnt of said it better myself.
 
DarthMom said:
get your popcorn!


omg you are on a drug forum and you are a mod, of course we should bow at your opinions *gag*

btw, go to PM
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How can I be anti-drug if I am a moderator on a drug forum? That's all I want to know.

You are making presumptions and taking cheap shots at something you know nothing about apparently.

That's all, I'm through responding to you since you have proved over and over that you can't be civil.
 
delta_9 said:
anyway, though you both have valid points, it simply comes down to the person. "drugs" coveres such a wide range of things, it's pretty much impossible to say someone will absolutely benefit from taking them.
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Thank you!!!

I have been saying this all along.
 
Firefly, not that I'm taking sides, but this site isn't about promoting drugs, it'a about minimizing the damage done by drugs. So being a "anti-drug nazi"(for lack of a better word) and a Mod here aren't nessecarilly so far off.

To clarify - "anti drug nazi" are not my words, and what I mean is safe drug use is recognized as a major problem by both advocates of drug use, and those agianst drugs. So to me, someone who favors drug prohibtion woundn't necessarilly be opposed to being a BLer. Again, Firefly, I appologize if you thought I meant any disrespect, and as I said, your view about drugs and drug use are your buisness.
 
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delta_9 said:
lol man this shits getting heated.
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drug use tends to cause irrational behavior...

in whoever is talking about them

(modified a quote from our friendly dr leary)
 
delta_9 said:
anyway, though you both have valid points, it simply comes down to the person. "drugs" coveres such a wide range of things, it's pretty much impossible to say someone will absolutely benefit from taking them.
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That's completely true. However, the point wasn't whether they would benefit from them or not, it was whether or not I think they are missing out, and I do.
 
purplefirefly said:
Wouldn't it be too late at that point?
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No, why would it be? That would be no different than saying someone has skydived/raced cars/tried a new food/different sexual position/new way to do math, etc....and finding they don't really prefer it. Its not like there is no turning back. So you smoke a joint and find you don't like it. So what? Now you can say definitavely that its not for you. Previously, it was nothing but speculation. (MJ was just an example, not to swapped with any other drug willy nilly for the sake of derailing my argument.)

purplefirefly said:
I am a hardcore drug nazi because I don't think that people who CHOOSE not to use drugs should be pitied because they are inherently missing out on something?
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Unless I missed something in one of DM's posts, this whole argument has stemmed from your misperception that: Thinks someone is missing out = Pity. That's hardly the case. I don't pity anyone who hasn't been to Disney World. I do however they they are missing out. I dont' think anyone here has said they feel sorry for someone who has chosen not to do drugs.

On a more personal level. I do feel sorry for people who haven't come to that conclusion on their own. Its sad that they are unable to soak in the information around them and come to their own conclusions. My feelings on that pertains to all things though, not just drugs, so I'm not pitying anyone who chooses to be drug free, I pity those people who let others make their life choices for them.
 
I've read all the responses and I understand all the viewpoints. However, I wholeheartedly believe, that going through life WITHOUT having a psychedelic experience is like going through life without ever having sex. You can and will live a good life, BUT you are missing out on something great. No amount of talking will ever persuade me from that standpoint.
 
Zagenth said:
I've read all the responses and I understand all the viewpoints. However, I wholeheartedly believe, that going through life WITHOUT having a psychedelic experience is like going through life without ever having sex. You can and will live a good life, BUT you are missing out on something great. No amount of talking will ever persuade me from that standpoint.
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So eloquently put in so few words. /jealous
 
My Higher Self said:
That's completely true. However, the point wasn't whether they would benefit from them or not, it was whether or not I think they are missing out, and I do.
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Well, when you say "missing out", your clearly talking about a positive experience, something beneficial. I really doubt you think their "missing out" on bad trips and addiction/withdrawl.
 
purplefirefly said:
I'm sorry but I just can't agree.

Why are you so against someone just being content with they way that they are and not wanting it indulge in drugs? Drugs, I might add, that may or may not be dangerous to your brain or your body. There are a lot of drugs out there that don't have scientific documentation to back up their safety, not to mention all of the cuts that exist, use as your own risk basically. To those people, it's just not worth the risk, to us, the drug users, it is worth the risk.
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I'm not trying to make you agree as it's very well known how you feel and I respect that, however, allow me to comment on your various points.

First, as per the title of the thread, I am simply stating that people are indeed missing out when they do not allow themselves to experiment with drugs, IMO. I'm not for or against them trying drugs as it is their decision and none of my business but I feel if they fail to take the opportunities, I feel they are denying themself a potentially mind altering phenomenon.

Second, I did say "ideally" which, of course does not happen to every person every time. However, just as some of the best and worst times a person may have doing non-drug related things can happen, such is true with drugs. Bungie jumping may be wonderful for many people and others may freak out but for many, it's a worthwhile experience. I've never done it and for that, I feel I missed out--be it a pleasurable or awful experience. Of course, i'm using an extreme example.

Third, sure, the drugs in question are illegal. True, they aren't safe because of various reasons but what is? I'm not talking about drug abuse. I'm talking about experimenting like anything else. And like anything else, it carries it's own risks but if you're going to live your life afraid of consequences that are at least somewhat of an unlikelihood, you're going to live a sheltered lackluster life. Many may not share my thoughts, but i'd rather live to be 50 and know what life has to offer me, rather than live to 100 never experiencing so many wonderful things such as many drugs I've tried.

In closing, I'm not saying drugs are for everyone due to their own personal moralities and beliefs and I don't hold that against them, but I do feel they are missing out on an experience that is worthwhile. It pains me to see someone like you who advocates safe drug usage (and you do) to stand here, in a hippocritical stance by saying they're not missing out on anything.
 
alasdairm said:
with an another perspective, one could just as easily write: i don't think they really are neglecting themselves a worthwhile experience by not experimenting. this isn't to say, abusing drugs but simply attaining an awareness that comes only from sobriety.

right? wrong? good? bad?

alasdair
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I don't understand what you're getting at? By reversing the sentence, it has lost all logical meaning.

Everyone knows what sobriety is from the moment of birth. The whole idea of using drugs is to escape that sobriety and reality in order to experience their 'something else.'

This awareness you speak of may or may not exist, but taking a little magic pill or some powder, or some liquid, is sure to do the trick to just about anyone.

Again, I must stress that the occasional person may have a negative experience, but such is life in all aspects pertaining to drugs and not. Life is filled with bruised knees but I'd never give up the ability to run across a grassy field full speed.
 
alasdairm said:
with an another perspective, one could just as easily write: i don't think they really are neglecting themselves a worthwhile experience by not experimenting. this isn't to say, abusing drugs but simply attaining an awareness that comes only from sobriety.
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a psychedelic user has the teachings of both psychedelics AND sobriety

an abstainer has the teachings only of sobriety

thus, one misses out
 
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