People That Shaped The Furture Of Music

[Pasilda Nacera]

and its a load of shit becasue you and others in here are deciding that YOUR FUCKING OPINIONS REIGN OVER OTHERS

Why don't you try and disprove it then. Aceyalone is pretty intellectual. There has got to be rappers out there that can be as meaningful as Tool, its just not known to many. Tool is a known band, not many good MC's are known.

 

[RareForm]

Kurt Cobain is an obvious answer, but I want to say Sonic Youth, and the lead singer of the Pixies, Frank Black..

 

[Larr_E]

I guess what i'm getting at.. name me some hip hop that would become a good audible aid for a psychedelic trip. Not just in stirring up the senses, but as a spiritual, mental, and emotional stimulation as well.

Try some Portishead...

Hey headknocka. You weren't hugged much as a child were you? Its a musical discussion, dude, chill out. maybe you try listening to music that's a little more mellow i.e. Glen Miller, Billy Holiday you know stuff along those lines. Major hostility will only have you shouting to a mechanical object about a guys opinion that you have never meet. That sound a little nutts to me man.

 

[DigitalDuality]

I wouldn't consider Portishead hip hop. But yes, good music. And props to Glen Miller too

 

[Pander Bear]

I've never seen hip hop come close to touching that. And this is just lyrically. Basically all songs are nothing more than poetry when you read the lyrics in themselves. SO why hasn't a rapper attempted something on this level intellectually? spiritually? emotionally?

Speaking of hip-hop with depth, how about DJ Shadow. (And don't say "thats not hip-hop", because it is )

 

[michael]

maybe you try listening to music that's a little more mellow i.e. Glen Miller, Billy Holiday you know stuff along those lines.

billie holliday, quite frankly, is the SHIT.

 

[headknocka]

I understand where you come from...and I also see how it has eaten you up to the point of rage & anger....and bitterness.
snap out of it man. chill please. The world is NOT out to get you.

right...well i was in a bit of rage last night from events that transpired earlier in my evening ...nothing to do with bluelight....i let some of that anger spill out into this thread adn that was wrong..i appologize for being so harsh


i still think this thread is out of control....its an im right and youre wrong thread...my opinion is better than yours....that is what is going on here and ...sry i just dont like that



you guys talking so much of tool or pink floyd are obviously big tool and floyd fans...which also makes your opinion bias.. that is gay..

some of you are saying that you love tool more than you love tupac is basically what youre saying ..which is fine...but that doesnt mean you can accurately weigh the two artists./...you just cannot do it(people who listen to tupac do not listen to tool 90% of the time..tool fans dont listen to tupac 99% of the time...i said it once and i will say it again...you cannot compare these two extremely different artists...who appeal to extemely different audiences to one another ...you sit here and amuse yourself with the thought that you can do it all you want ...i still say it is absolutely obsurd....its obsurd that you dont see that is obsurd..

 

[MDApleeze]

dont feel like back tracking a reading a ton of posts so sorry if this has been said....

Tupac Shakur

 

[DJSethNichols]

/\ that's funny

 

[DJSethNichols]

headknocka.. glad to see you are beggining to calmly approach this discussion now.

and maybe you're right... the league difference of the artists leaves lack of room for comparison or weight against each other.. BUT this doesn't mean that one is more influential overall, than another.
Both have been heavily influential in their own domains

 

[Pander Bear]

kurt cobain didn't inspire any good music. Bands that cite Nirvana as an influence are bands like Puddle of Mudd, Default, Creed, and Nickleback. Nirvana was a fantastic band, tho.

 

[alasdairm]

Originally posted by headknocka
i said it once and i will say it again...you cannot compare these two extremely different artists...who appeal to extemely different audiences to one another ...
...
i still say it is absolutely obsurd....its obsurd that you dont see that is obsurd..

you absolutely can do it. we're not comparing the acts musically. we're discussing their impact on music in general - which is, if you think about it, one level of abstraction away from the music itself.

in a discussion based solely on music it's next to impossible to compare , say, beethoven and the sex pistols but it's absolutely valid and quite straightforward to discuss their impact on music even though musically they're very different. it's entirely possible to take into account the differences in domain which djseth mentioned to arrive at some kind of absolute value if you feel so inclined.

i think this is a simple point you're having a little trouble grasping which is creating a lot of this anger. perhaps take a step back from the thread and try to think about it in slightly more abstract terms?

alasdair

PS it's "absurd"

 

[lpsquisha]

somebody please tell me how tupac influenced music??? his lyrics can be compared to similar artists way before he came around... now he DID influence literature. His book of poems is very inspiring....

 

[headknocka]

somebody please tell me how tupac influenced music??? his lyrics can be compared to similar artists way before he came around... now he DID influence literature. His book of poems is very inspiring....

you people honestly think tupac had no influence in the rap world?yes when it comes to tupac it is about the rap world...not the rock wor,ld you talk abot when you mention tool or pink floyd....that is why you cannot accurately compare their impacts....

yes tupac changed A LOT in the rap world ...he helped shaped the rap world as it is today....not only that but he heped shaped a large majority of society as ell as poetry as you mentioned lpsquisha

like i have said i dont deny tool or pink floyds impact on music in their own right...what some of you need to do is take advantage of some of the info that is out there and learn about tupac...watch thug immortal....watch ressurection....listen to the lyrics in his songs like keep ya head up..brend's got a baby..etc..and understand them for what they are.,..understand that you are not gonna understand or recognize his impact correctly until you do so

its obvious to me none of you really know what youre talking about when you talk about tupac shakur...I REALLY RECCAMEND YOU GET THE DOCCUMENTARY "ressurection" OR LISTEN TO PLENTY OF TUPACS ALBUMS...all you have to do is listen ...and you wil clearly see the impact he had on music as well as society

 

[headknocka]

please open your eyes and ears and realize that just becasue tupac didnt have an affect on you or the music that YOU listen to ...that does not mean that he did not have an affect or shape his own music world....you guys are just playing favorite...

 

[BA]

I'm seeing alot of comments like:

• "Tupac has influenced many rappers.."
• "He shaped the way rap is today.."
• "He helped shape a large majority of society.."
• "all you have to do is listenand you wil clearly see the impact he had on music as well as society"

But not seeing any examples of this. Can you give us some proof to back this up? Who today, is modeling themselves after Tupac? What artists today model their style and public influence after Tupac? In what way has Tupac changed the way rap is today? (saying that he showed us how awful 'gangsta rap' is doesn't count either) In what way is his legacy living on?

Name some parallels between Tupac and artists of today? What exactly is his influence?

It's one thing to say "He influences alot of rappers", it's another thing to give some evidence of this to convince us. Repeating yourself over, and over doesn't prove a point.

 

[headknocka]

i dont have to sit here and do all of that...just for you or someone else to dissagree and tell me im wrong...get real..that is also the reason i said for you to listen and watch for yourself...becasue you cannot possibly listen and watch tupac and not see what he did...its just that simple...you obviously do not know anything about the man...how brilliant he was as an ARTIST...when you look at tupac...you see exactly what the people who did not understnad see...gangstar etc..when you look at the man for what he really was....what he really did...he was a blessing to music as well as many people in society


you will not find a single rapper or rap music fan out there today who will not credit tupac shakur ...plain and simple...

if you knew anything about rap music rap culture you wouldnt need to know any of that stuff

you people just want to argue....your right im wrong is what you want...but that aint happening

 

[BA]

I get around

So out of the 7 questions I asked about Tupac, you can't come up with an answer for 1 of them?
I'm not looking to "argue", I'd just like to see some examples of his influence.

You sure you're a Tupac fan even?

 

[headknocka]

Re: I get around

So out of the 7 questions I asked about Tupac, you can't come up with an answer for 1 of them?
I'm not looking to "argue", I'd just like to see some examples of his influence.

You sure you're a Tupac fan even?

its so simple...i just said i am not going to sit here and do your rundown for YOU or someone else to come in here and dissagree and tell me i am wrong..i say to you ...decide for yourself...since this is all abobut opinions (yea right)...i am indeed a tupac fan....and i will not sit here and answer your questions and create a BIAS opinion as the tool and pink floyd fans in this htread havce done


i am tellin gyou to look at what is there and see for yourself....

 

[DigitalDuality]

its obvious to me none of you really know what youre talking about when you talk about tupac shakur...I REALLY RECCAMEND YOU GET THE DOCCUMENTARY "ressurection" OR LISTEN TO PLENTY OF TUPACS ALBUMS...all you have to do is listen ...and you wil clearly see the impact he had on music as well as society

I’d beg to differ. I have the man’s poetry book which I’ve read numerous times. I have every single officially released album he’s ever put out. I have bootlegs and freestyles as well. I think he’s good, I like him. Doesn’t mean I can’t think he’s overrated and in the grand scheme of music, isn’t much to talk about though.

you guys talking so much of tool or pink floyd are obviously big tool and floyd fans...which also makes your opinion bias.. that is gay..

You’re obviously a hardcore 2pac fan. That makes you biased as well does it not?

you cannot accurately weigh the two artists./...you just cannot do it(people who listen to tupac do not listen to tool 90% of the time..tool fans dont listen to tupac 99% of the time...i said it once and i will say it again...you cannot compare these two extremely different artists...who appeal to extemely different audiences to one another ...you sit here and amuse yourself with the thought that you can do it all you want ...i still say it is absolutely obsurd....its obsurd that you dont see that is obsurd..

I can and I did. Show me why I cannot? Ever band, composer, rapper, singer, dj, etc.. has it’s own niche of fans, they have their own particular style. Comparing two artists within the same genre is just as subjective as comparing 2 artists in two different genres

please open your eyes and ears and realize that just becasue tupac didnt have an affect on you or the music that YOU listen to ...that does not mean that he did not have an affect or shape his own music world....you guys are just playing favorite...

In all actuality, I’d say Pac had more of an influence, but like I said, I think it’s hype mainly b/c of his death, and how he died..and how that related back to the culture he was in. I’m not playing favorites. I probably listen to more hip hop than I do rock (though it’d be a close race).

its an im right and youre wrong thread...my opinion is better than yours....that is what is going on here and ...sry i just dont like that

Of course we all think we’re right, including you. Debating differences of opinion is healthy. Which of course means defending your viewpoint, countering others, being open to hear what the other person is saying (regardless if you agree or disagree). Our 2cents about art is always going to be limited to how it relates to us personally and what it means to us. NO one is right or wrong b/c the material is so subjective, but basic arguments can still be made defending why we hold the opinion that we do. It is simple as that.

you will not find a single rapper or rap music fan out there today who will not credit tupac shakur ...plain and simple...

And had he not died..especially getting shot down like a true “thug”, no one would be doing as such, even though he skills would be just as good, if not better later on in life. Hype.

if you knew anything about rap music rap culture you wouldnt need to know any of that stuff

You keep saying this of everyone, yet on the first page people listed Grand Master Flash, Dj Kool Herc, Sugarhill Gang, RUN DMC, Krs-One as huge influences on hip hop. There’s plenty of people here who know plenty about hip hop. I consider the fact that I know quite a bit. I grew up listening to it. I’ve been to plenty of shows, underground and pop. And out of my 4,000+ cd collection I’d venture to say 1000 of them are rap/hip hop.
So instead on continually making claims you wish to debate about, why not, As blue Adonis suggested, back it up. Enlighten us. What do we not know about rap/hip hop? You can’t just make a claim, get so passionate about it you name call, and then say “I’m not defending or supporting my claim”. At least entertain a healthy debate.