People That Shaped The Furture Of Music

malachi305 said:
tupac was a fucking poet, and no one can match up to him in the hiphop game.

as far as lyrcists go, eminem... that dude can flow over anything, spit any kind of rhyme, freestyle, and rip the shit out of anyone who battles him. and i don't even like him. just recognize his massive talent.


i'd say chino and the rest of the deftones, too.
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People make a huge deal about Pac and Biggie. And you know, Pac was a poet. A great poet? No. I've written better poetry.. and worse. His songs were good.. and in the scheme of hip hop i'd say great.

I think Em does have massive talent. I do think Pacs and Biggie's death influenced the future of music definately.

But Pac and Biggie (and most rappers for that matter) have a long way to go substance wise til they compare to some of the greats in music all together.. even just on a rock/jazz/blues basis. I love rap and i see where it excels where other forms do not, but i've really lost faith in it to grow into something that can convey something truly "deep". For lack of a better word. I think there's alot of meaningful intelligent hip hop out there, but it is so readily accessible in its message, so blatantly in your face, I don't think it makes people truly think. It may provide a new perspective to ponder over, but in comparrison to Pink Floyd, Tool, (even though he stole shit) Jim Morrison, or John Lennon. The rhyming capabilities displayed in the genre are off the charts in comparrison to some of the greatest poets every known, but the ability to compact a meaning you really have to dig to get, is missing. I'm not saying it's lacking in substance, it's just not as thought provoking as other styles have proved to be throughout the sands of time. As much as I love looptroop, Eminem, The Herd, The Streets, KRS-1, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, etc.. sometimes i wish the genre was never created...sometimes i just wish the music that spawned out of the psychedelic era never died out..
 
malachi305 said:
tupac was a fucking poet, and no one can match up to him in the hiphop game.
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WTF!!!!!! What about KRS-One and Supernatural? flow for flow they would rip those two a new asshole... I'm not saying that Biggie and Tupac weren't good. I'm just saying that we shouldn't put them at a higher ranking just cuz they died at the height of their popularity.
 
DigitalDuality said:
As much as I love looptroop, Eminem, The Herd, The Streets, KRS-1, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, etc.. sometimes i wish the genre was never created...sometimes i just wish the music that spawned out of the psychedelic era never died out..
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Don't blame all of hip hop for dumb shits like Nelly, Chingy and almost all of the "Dirty South"
 
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Even the shit i listed i don't think compares. But about KRS-1 and Supernatural.. they were rappers, not poets.

2pac actually wrote poetry in a classic sense. See: The Rose that Grew from Concrete
As for influence on the future of music though, i do think Pac and Biggie played a much larger role than anyone else since the beginings of hip hop.
 
If its poetry that you are looking for then i'd say Common would blow Tupac away any day of the week... You seem to have a real bleak out look on the culture as a whole...
 
Stark said:


This one's about Music's most Influential people.
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see that is what i am confused about...is this thread really about influential people or people who actually invinted new ways to present music..like..so and so was the first person ever to do blank..

i was confused about this after i posted the band the rolling stones ..who were and still are one of the most influential bands of all time even though some of you do not see them in that respect

make up your minds here people

what are you looking for here in this thread
 
also ...why is anyone here in charge of saying who was or wasnt influential for whatever reason...isnt that a story that histor its self tells...
 
Threads take on a life of their own. You haven't figured that out yet?

Nobody is here to say for sure that one is more important than the other. Only the person can deside that for them self. Most threads are about opinion when it comes to arts. There is no right or wrong answer...
 
o i know all about it
im just curious what this thread is all about...

i question someone who tells someone else that their influences or what was musically important to them has no part in the shaping of music
 
just to clarrify myself a bit more here...

i brought up the rolling stones....someone else brought up aerosmith....in my opinion aerosmith didnt play quite the influential roll that the stones did...but i didnt feel the need to come in here and challenge that persons opinion about it...becasue it is like you said its all about opinion adn people can make up their own minds...i just dont think its quite fair how some people are being challenged on this subject
 
Larr_E said:
You seem to have a real bleak out look on the culture as a whole...
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Find me a hip hop song that can compare to Tool's Third Eye, or a whole cd that compares to Pink Floyd The Wall and my out look on hip hop culture as it currently stands wouldn't consider it a lesser art form. The only reason i bitch, is b/c the art form has more potential than it has ever shown IMO. It's not the art form, but the direction of the culture and the narrow mindedness of the culture that has brought it down. It had a great start... and then.. nothing.. bling bling. There's still alot of great shit out there, and i eat it up. I love it. But i just feel as a genre it's truly not adding up to what it is able to.
 
Kraftwerk are certainly the godfathers as far as all things electronica is concerned. True pioneers.
 
DigitalDuality said:
Find me a hip hop song that can compare to Tool's Third Eye, or a whole cd that compares to Pink Floyd The Wall and my out look on hip hop culture as it currently stands wouldn't consider it a lesser art form. The only reason i bitch, is b/c the art form has more potential than it has ever shown IMO. It's not the art form, but the direction of the culture and the narrow mindedness of the culture that has brought it down. It had a great start... and then.. nothing.. bling bling. There's still alot of great shit out there, and i eat it up. I love it. But i just feel as a genre it's truly not adding up to what it is able to.
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see this is exactly what i am talking about right there...you cannot compare what one person thinks about a hip hop record to what you think about a tool or pink floyd record....that is just obsurd...

i have seen people talk about tupac in here and mentioning that tupac was a great influence in music...which i totally agree with...albums like

Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
All Eyez On Me
Me Against The World

actually you can go ahead and put every damn cd pac ever made into this catagorie...they were all extremely influential in the rap community..the man sat in the studio writing 3 songs a day ...songs that are beign released now...some still havent been released...all these songs that are put out now are still FRESH AND CRISP like he is still here and wrote the shit yesterday...lol...you dont call that having an impact? c'mon get real

now my point is.....this thread is out of controll...its becoming a pink floyd is better than 2pac or more influential BECASUE I SAID SO THREAD....instead of just letting people have their opinions

when in reality you are talking about two different clutures...two totally different listening audiences...two extremely different kindss of music ...YOU CANNOT COMPARE THESE LIKE YOU HAVE HERE AT ALL...its absolutely ridiculous

proceed to bash me if you will...but think about it...
 
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DigitalDuality said:
It's not the art form, but the direction of the culture and the narrow mindedness of the culture that has brought it down. It had a great start... and then.. nothing.. bling bling. There's still alot of great shit out there, and i eat it up. I love it. But i just feel as a genre it's truly not adding up to what it is able to.
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now see...you talk about how today it is nothing but bling blign...and that is true...2pac gave a start to somethign in rap that only tupac could do..sure people before had doen similar htings...but no one was ever felt or has been felt to this day like tupac...you can argue ath all you want....the man is dead...of course no ones quite living up to his legend so far...the man was a verry unique SMART individual...so now we have all the bling bling shit...so fucking what...that doesnt change the fact that tupac touched the lives of so many people in the way that he did
 
i think this thread could be started over ....and the title could be a bit more specific ...if whoever started this thread didnt want such broad opinions all you had to do was be a bit more specific with the title...until then i think some of you just need to bite your tounges and jsut let shti ride..even if you get more specific with the title i am sure you are still goign to get a broad range of replys..and i guess i dont really see a problem with challenging somethign somenoe says ...but when you do it in a way like comparing tupac and pink floyd....that is just retarded
 
Comparing the two isn't stupid if you are comparing the impact they had vs the music itself... I created this thread as an open forum to hear opinions on this subject but if it grows then so be it. Threads always evolve from one form to another. If this or any other thread grows beyond the control of anyone it is a mods right to do as they see fit. So far I see no problem with this thread. I think its a good one, as a matter of fact. Its better then others I have seen. Just look at the idiot in The Best Of Bluelight that wanted to fax acid over seas...
 
yes...it is indeed stupid...becasue you cannot propperly weigh the impact from two drastically different artists and two drastically different culture....that is stupid
 
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