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people don't shoot HEROIN for FUN, do they???

i was not sexually abused as a child....but yes, heroin for me takes away a very deep pain that I have.
And that is the pain of life.
For me anyway
 
This is a good thread.. I have never tried heroin as where I live there literally isnt any anywhere even slightly close to me. But im addicted to oxys, and its basically the same addiction. I had always used other drugs, and heavily abused them. but nothing like when I discovered oxys.
The first time I took them I just felt weird, thought it was a stupid drug, but that night I came online looking them up, seeing how amazing just about everyone said they are, so I gave it another shot, and WOW I fell in love, hard.
I was only getting them from a friend in school who was only getting a few tens here and there from his mom, and I thought that'd be the most i've ever be able to get, So i figured since I have no real connection why not take them whenever he can get me them.
Did them everyweekend, then he'd get me more and i'd start doin them on week nights, but I told myself, I still cant get many, and Without a source i cant turn into a full blown junkie.. then all of a sudden I meet an older guy, who is now one of my best friends even though theres a pretty big age gap, and he told me he could get me 80's, that is what ruined me, because then I did them every night that he was around, then I meet my dealer who lives 20 seconds away from me, and now I do them from the second I wake up, untill the second I wake up. It started out as just being alot of fun, now its not so much, its trying to escape sadness, sickness and everything else thats shitty about life.
 
from what i see there are basically two opinions in this thread...

1. people started doing opiates for fun and then got hooked
2. people started doing opiates to cover up pain and emotions, and got hooked.

From my experience, i started doing them for fun. i absolutely loved the feeling from them. eventually eating percs and vicodin wasn't doing it so i moved to eating roxis, then to snorting them. eventually i was doing 80's everyday and then 3 or 4 a day. after getting tired of paying a lot of fuckin money, i decided to sniff dope since its way cheaper and just a strong if not stronger in some cases. by this point i had already found out the hard way that i was hooked, when i stopped one day and i got really really sick. then i decided to IV heroin and it was the best feeling id ever felt.

see i believe that dope can be social drug if you want it to be. when i use it i can go and and be extra social and be at work and be just fine, talking to customers and actually getting more enthusiastic than when sober. if you want it to be an anti-social thing you can do 3 or 4 bags (or what ever it takes) to get your hard nod on.

but i do use dope/oxy to cope with emotional and mental issues/problems. a lot of time i need it to escape from everything, but at the same time i can still be social.

my belief to this day, with every drug, from weed to dope, coke to acid, liquor to mdma, each person makes the drug do whatever it is they want it to do. if you wanna do dope to be social, it will make u social. if you wanna do coke to relax and forget shit, it will. everyone is different and everyone is affected differently.

i believe that people can use highly addictive drugs recreationaly/for fun. but will power is the key to make sure it doesn't go from having fun to maintaining a habit.
 
I believe it starts with fun. while your having the time or your life on the honeymoon period, the "fun" becomes less and less noticable each shot while other problems arrise and sickness sets, convincing your self dope is the solution. This is where the cycle starts

while opiates can be god-sends for people with anxiety problems, and other issues. who really goes into IVing H telling them selves its just solely for medication.

Opiates in general is a fascinating topic for me. While some people say they use it for escapism, many alike uses for social aspect. who doesnt like a good nod, who doesnt like to talk your ears numb about nothing. this makes the poppies so alluring. Opiates ties in vast individual definitions of "fun".

what goes up must come down
 
I'm one of those types of people who don't think about long term consequences for their actions. So when I first tried heroin I wasn't thinking "oh, this is going to turn into an addiction and Ill be a broke junky". When i first tried dope I had only done oxy at most 5 times before and tryin the dope was strictly for fun and to get high of course. I think once it got bad I was pretty much kept using in order to fend offf the w/ds, not kill some emotional bullshit (i have very dull emotions to begin with so no need to take the pain away, as im not like that).
 
Coolio said:
Addiction and IV heroin use are two completely separate concepts.

I don't understand how heroin is escapist. I have only ever used it socially...
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its made me more unsociable than the unsociable mayor of unsociable city
 
I snorted it for fun... Then I said fuck it one day, knowing well of the consequences, and started shooting everyday. It's so fucked up because I knew what was going to happen...
 
i dont shoot, but i guess i use for fun, if that means numbing my mind and using to escape.

i do use sometimes to make life/activities more interesting, but not too much where im nodding, just that good feeling.
 
this brings me to another question, if heroin does always end up in hardcore addiction, then whats to be said about lifelong heroin chippers??i dont know any personally but i have read articles about high-functioning white collar chippers...does nyone on here know any chippers??how long have they been at it??
 
started off sniffing to numb/escape, ended up shooting just to function

^ I've never seen anyone just chip for too long. I mean i did it for almost two years but now i realize that it's all or nothing with this dope shit. I won't even try and convince myself that I can just dip and dab here and there because i know it won't last long
 
^most experts on heroin addiction will say the numbers are cinsistent throughout the years, there are around 500,000 heroin addicts and around 2,000,000 heroin chippers as we would call it..now, i wonder what % of those chippers eventually become addicts??surely there are some studies done on this??
 
the book, heroin, myth and reality states that the majority of street kids that take heroin arent daily users, they are chippers..they just claim they are addicts for whatever reason...sooo, how do they do it??
 
belfort said:
this brings me to another question, if heroin does always end up in hardcore addiction, then whats to be said about lifelong heroin chippers??i dont know any personally but i have read articles about high-functioning white collar chippers...does nyone on here know any chippers??how long have they been at it??
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you dont know any personally, but you heard about them...

Lets go back to that...

You dont know any personally... So, why the fuck is u believeing some articles, or shit on the internet, or wtfever it is thats telling you these stories?? Are you gonna believe numbers created by supposed surveys that "somebody" took , of "some dope users"? Users who could be lying, users who would have no reason to tell the truth to outsiders, and

^most experts on heroin addiction will say the numbers are cinsistent throughout the years, there are around 500,000 heroin addicts and around 2,000,000 heroin chippers as we would call it..now, i wonder what % of those chippers eventually become addicts??surely there are some studies done on this?? the book, heroin, myth and reality states that the majority of street kids that take heroin arent daily users, they are chippers..they just claim they are addicts for whatever reason...sooo, how do they do it??
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Wat the fuck does "street kids" have to do with this? The population of users that is homeless , is definately not the majority of heroin users. This info you are saying sounds like some second or third hand ASSUMPTIONS....Like, well i heard from this doctor so called expert mutha fucka, that asked so and so about some people using dope, and he said that they said this, which is wat Im reporting...and you are saying wat hes reporting...You aint providing no backup for wat you saying, just some "I think i heard this somewhere at some time" type ish...come on you got to do better than that, if you gonna say such suspect shit as you are saying.

Also, you got close to figuring it out there when you said, i wonder wat percent of those chippers become addicts...There you go....If those statistics is true, which we really dont kno right now since you just saying some telephone shit, all they represent is the revolving door of addiction....So theres half a mil addicts, and 2 million nonaddicted users at any time...Well in a year, maybe 100,000 of those addicts is dead, 100,000 is in jail, 50,000 is in rehab, and 250,000 of those former chippers has moved on to bein addicts, and they are replaced by 250,000 new users jus starting out who is chipping, and the cycle goes on...Now, those numbers that i just said is 100%, completey, totally made up, guessed, random, just pulled outta my ass for the purpose of makin a explanation, but you get the idea...Most people who have used more than a handful of times and stopped, who are chippin, will eventually at some point get addicted. It may be a mild short addiction, it might be a hard, severe, quick one, it might be long and light, it might be long, hard, miserable, and fatal, it could be anything, not everyone becomes a lifelong junkie, but most of em will experience addiction in some way or another at some time in their life.

The long term chippers who never get down and dirty with it, they do exist but its a EXTREMELY small percent of the population that uses.

I dont kno where the hell u got the idea that only 2 or 3 out of 10 ppl that tries dope becomes addicted to it from...U want to provide a source there?

Cuz wat i seen, in my 8 years of bein involved in the world of opiates...

Is a whole lot of people who try it, like it, and chip...And they chip for a while...And they do it recreational, only sometimes, only when they cant get oxys maybe....And then they do it one extra day a week....And then one more day a week..Maybe it takes 6 months , a year, maybe it takes 2 years, maybe it takes 3 years, and they do it more and more, and then you got a regular-ass addiction just like anyone else.

I known lots of people who was chippers....But the important part is that THEY DIDNT STAY THAT WAY...

When people say all this bullshit about, bla bla, heroin aint that addictive, u can use it recreaionally if you got the willpower, and all that shit they talk...They aint reconizing one important point about it..

Is that , in most heroin users lives, who is using recreationaly or chipping...There comes a point, some time down the line, whenever it may be, where something happens, that causes them to just not give a fuck any more. At that time, they look at their life the way it is, and for watever reason that upset them, depressed them, or w/ever it is, they say, you know wat...I been controlling this...I CAN control it...But i just DONT WANT TO ANY MORE....And thats when the addiction begins...

You can either listen to people saying numbers that dont really mean shit, or look around you at the lives of yourself,l your friends, the people you know and see, the ones that you seen with your own eyes, becuz when it comes to shit like this the reports aint never gonna be accurate anyways. In this case, its best to go with wat you KNOW...Not wat you read and think...You gona trust some guy saying, Oh, only 20 percent of people who try heroin will get addicted ....Or you gonna look around you at how every single person you ever known who tried dope out of the 50 people you known to do it, eventually ended up shooting or sniffing that shit everyday?

I aint someone whose gona tell you use dope once and you addicted. I aint gonna say everyone who uses, will end up in rehab in jail or dead if they dont quit. I aint gonna say, once you a addict, you will always be a addict, so if you get clean, you can never go back and have fun once in a while as a chipper. Cuz with the right mindset, the right circumstances, and right determniation, anyone can really do watever they want with it. but the point is, most of us choose eventually to let go and just fall, because its so good compared to wats in our lives at the time...Or maybe for some ppl who aint got much stress, its just that since everything is so good for them, why not use that dope, since they got it all under control, and shits going good, so it aint gonna matter if they use since its all good, they can afford it, etc. and they maintiain that little secret life, doin wat they do, maybe they go on for a long time without ever getting into legal trouble or gettin found out as a addict...But they addicted all right...

It dont matter how you get there. Its different for all of us...But just about everybody that trys dope more than once or twice or three times and never does it again, will end up addicted in some way for some amount of time during their use. Theres lots of people who TRY, and then put it down. They know that any more use will be disaster, or they dont really like it that much. So they try it, and then they dont do it again. Thats successful recreational use. BUT, that AINT a chipper. BEcause they dotn CONTINUE it. Its all good for a while, and many people do chip...but do they SUCCESSFULLY chip, now that aint so commin.

And it DEFINATELY aint more common than users who become addicted.

It seems like you got a very naieve viewpoint on heroin use and addiction yo. I dont kno why you got these ideas, but u need a heavy dose of long term reality to re adjust that shit, becuz the things you talking aint at all matchin up with the reality that the majority of us has seen....And if you aint seen it yet...It just means you aint been in it long enough, cuz god knows you will eventually if you dont get out.
 
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lacey k-umm, people have actually collected data on heroin users/addicts and they came up with the 3 out of every 10 go on to become addicted..lol, it isnt just some writer making something up to make his article sound interesting..read the book, Heroin, Myth and Reality..it goes into detail about addicts and chippers..im sure these folks who have actually done their research on the subject are more in tune with whats going on than us former addicts are...we can only say whats going on in our littl circle of addicts...

Lacey K-ive been addicted to heroin i know exactly whats its all about...me being naive, how do you come to that conclusion??ive been clean for 3-4 years so you talking with your hood talk doesnt impress me...ill go as far to say my habit was worse than most on here, including you...
 
i shot heroin for fun. . . a few times!! . . .LOL

no but seriously when i was on Methadone, i did it for nuttin but fun very once in awhile. . .and the first year or so i did it,and also hustlin and makin a boat load of cash, it was fun, fun, fun!
 
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