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Pentazocine and anti-histamine IV

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For a while now I've been interested in this combination due to it's repuation of surpassing even the heroin IV rush. The classic combination of the past is tripelennamine and pentazocine, but I think cyclizine will provide a good substitute antihistamine, certainly enough for it to give a great big rush.

Now I think tripelennamine is pretty much unavailable in a preparation that can be broken down for IV where I am, but after a bit of research I think cyclizine is available as Valoid, an OTC travel sickness pill in the UK. Can anyone confirm this? If this is true, is it widely available.

Aslo, I know this is a sort of repost as I mentioned similiar things in another thread, but I want to be sure of everything before I put anything in my veins.

As usual, input from those who don't have experience but have knwledge is more than welcome, but I'm also looking for some first hand advice from people who have tried the combo and could give some dosage advice (opiate tolerance zero to very little, although I could up that by drinking a bit of a codeine linctus over a few days).

Hope somebody can help!
 
Nah, it's here because I want confirmation on whether Valoid is OTC in the UK, otherwise you're right, OD is the place. I know IV isn't good, but my social circle is such that I would have to turn my back on my mates to IV all the time, and my mates are worth (a lot) more to me than that, so I have a bit of a buffer.
 
Pentazocine *thinks hard as fuck* cannot recall, what is it called as brand. ?

Cyclizine with a synthetic opiate would probably be good, dipipanone and cyclizine in diconal is loverleeeeeey (if one were interested in such classes of drugs )
You need to check with someone who has some knowledge of pharmacology to see if it could be contraindicated.

That means F & B :)
 
zophen said:
Pentazocine *thinks hard as fuck* cannot recall, what is it called as brand. ?

Cyclizine with a synthetic opiate would probably be good, dipipanone and cyclizine in diconal is loverleeeeeey (if one were interested in such classes of drugs )
You need to check with someone who has some knowledge of pharmacology to see if it could be contraindicated.

That means F & B :)
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Man, I would love to do a history of pharmaceutical abuse over the past 150 years, it intruiges me greatly.

I'll hit up F+B and see what he thinks, the man is fucking oracle!

Still though, anyone else who feels they have some useful info, chip in!
 
Cyclazine is available over the net. It's not controlled in any way, in fact it's not prescription only, it's just not used any more. In places like The Netherlands you can buy 100x50mg capsules for 12 Euro including P&P. From the horror stories, I don't figure it to be so good, but to each their own. In the UK pockets of abuse still occur. Apparently Blackburn is one such place. Don't ask me why!
 
wow i didn't know that cyclizine could be used for fun-my doctor gave me a load for a tummy problem i had last year, still have some left- i don't fully understand why anyone would take them recreationally though.
 
It seems that such pills boost the effect of opiates when they are shot together. Not a very clever idea, but yes, pentazocine & tripelennamine have a history of co-usage. I think the term was '2s and blues' but I may well be wrong. Pentazocine is still available in the UK, but is rarely used.
 
do you know if it is only through iv-ing that the effects of the opiates are boosted with cyclizine?
 
Haribo, it's: T's and blues. Almost there;)


happyus said:
do you know if it is only through iv-ing that the effects of the opiates are boosted with cyclizine?
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Yeah I'd like to know this too.

I think I've ascertained that Valoid is still available OTC, it'll just be a case of finding somewhere that sells it.


Zophen: The brand I have is called Sosegon and is for the french market I think.
 
Oh, and tambourine man, could you kick this over to OD now I've worked out that Valoid is OTC? I think it might be a better place for it.
 
Oh, and by the way, Valoid amps are a prescription only medicine in the UK. Sorry, I thought you were talking about the IM meds.

Yeah, the pills are OTC. You're not actually thinking of injecting them though, surely?
 
haribo1 said:
I think the term was '2s and blues' but I may well be wrong.
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T's and Blues I believe. I remember reading up about them somewhere here and another site that went into great detai;. Im going to try to find the link or the thread.
 
Your reasoning behind taking this is that you want a better rush than dope?

Ok, let me recommend hydromorphone, cocaine, fentanyl, methamphetamine...

With iv opiates, it's not all about the rush. I think a lot of people, especially people new to it, overlook that. Yeah, it's nice, but the high is where its at.

Now, it's fine if you're seeking a great rush, but I think there are easier and safer ways to obtain one.
 
omen_owen mk2 said:
but I think cyclizine will provide a good substitute antihistamine, certainly enough for it to give a great big rush.
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All these antihistamines will provide a great enjoyable rush and high with your Opiate and can all be good (better?) substitutes to Tripelennamine:
-Cyclizine
-Hydroxyzine
-Promethazine
-Diphenhydramine

Try to find which ones are OTC in the UK, then check which ones are the cheaper, then look at the binders, and try to buy one of them that is as small as possible, with no coloring and no coating (the less binders, coloring, coating there are, the better it is for your veins)

There should be an english website listing all medications available, saying if it's OTC or not, saying the binders it contains, and such infos.... Such a site exist in France, it should exist in the UK

omen_owen mk2 said:
For a while now I've been interested in this combination due to it's repuation of surpassing even the heroin IV rush. [....] The classic combination of the past is tripelennamine and pentazocine
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There have been many cases of abuse of products containing an Opiate/Opioid and an Antihistamine, there has been the "T's & blues" (Pentazocine & Tripelennamine), Diconal (Dipipanone & Cyclizine).... And all around the world people are using antihistamines with opiates.

Antihistamines relieve many Opiates side-effects: nausea, itch.
And antihistamines bring a very strong body rush when you inject them. Even if this rush is not enjoyable by itself, it is still very strong.

omen_owen mk2 said:
As usual, input from those who don't have experience but have knwledge is more than welcome, but I'm also looking for some first hand advice from people who have tried the combo and could give some dosage advice
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Be careful when you shoot pills. Only shoot crystal clear solutions.

Antihistamines are much stronger IV than oral, so start low.
If you're used to 75mg Diphenhydramine to get some sleep, shoot only 25mg then.

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Until recently I thought I was crazy when I had the feeling that I'm completely addicted to the ritual of adding an antihistamine to my Buprenorphine.
When I have no antihistamines around, I don't shoot Bupe, I find it not worth it.
I need an antihistamine to get the high from the opiate.

Recently I've read many accounts of people who buy Cyclizine in the UK and shoot it with their Opiate, and once they're used to that rush, they don't want to shoot an Opiate alone anymore. They need the antihistamine to feel the Opiate.

So I'm not the only one (I use mainly Promethazine, it is the cheapest antihistamine here, and very easy to shoot)


EDIT: one more thing:
I have no visible veins anymore, and I have to go very deep with the needle to find vein. Very often I hit the artery. Usually I notice it, but sometimes I don't. And if I shoot Bupe in an artery, it doesn't hurt, but it is dangerous as hell. Antihistamines, on the other hand, burn like hell if you inject only 1 unit in an artery. So I use antihistamines also as "trackers", they make me notice when I'm in an artery instead of a vein.....
 
I just tried 50mg pentazocine IV alone and there wasn't much of a rush, just a mild high, but that is a low dosage.

Nowhere I looked had Valoid, and one place said cyclizine POM only now, although I think they were just fobbing me off.

Anyone know the brand name for Promethazine in the uk?

I went to the needle exchange and they offered me the chance of a buprenophine script even though I'm not an addict, I thought that was fucked up. Essentially what they said was that they'd piss test you to check for opiates and once you came back positive you would be taken on.
 
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