PED or steroid that can make you feel good and look good at the same time?

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I've read of people feeling like shit on certain steroids especially ones that causes rage (you had to feel like shit to be pissed off). I'm not here to bulk or for the bulk. My intent is to feel good while looking good. One steroid came to mind is Proviron. It was said to make you feel good due to the alleged euphoria as it was said to cause dopamine release or reuptake (I have no sources to back this up but it's what I read through other forums). Research did show Proviron was used for various forms of depression in the 70's and 80's with significant success. Could Proviron be used by itself? I know most people would say to stack it with testosterone but I think testosterone (and other stronger steroids) can make one bat shit crazy (in the gym or outside the gym). I have no time to be crazy. I want to feel good and look good even without the mass of a monster. Help me out here.
 
well that can be reached without steroids that fuck your neurobalance up for a long time,imo taking steroids without having a goal where you can make money off(mr olympia or something like that)is just plain stupid and self harming.
It will take longer but the muscles you build naturally are more sustainable and of course more healthy
Just go to gym and do some cardio and you will reach that goal of looking good and feeling good
 
The phrase "I can teach it to you, but I can't make you understand it" comes to mind every time I see one of your threads.

Your fatigue level is dependent on a lot things like diet, hydration, electrolyte balance, sleep schedule, etc. Proviron used alone is pointless and will lead to prostate issues, among others. All these threads on drugs and yet still nothing about diet, training, or anything of real merit.
 
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low dose test TRT with proviron 25 mg? No PCT as proviron can be the PCT, right?
 
but it's just as self harming as if when one doesn't go the Mr. Olympia route (at least you can make money, right?). I was talking about a different type of feel good, as in involving drugs. I know what you mean by cardio but that isn't enough. My topic title is exactly what I was looking for; a steroid to make you feel good and look good at the same time so I was just inquiring about proviron's profile. Lots of people have said it increases the feel good neurotransmitter dopamine. I think there's studies that proved that.

I don't think I can compete at the Mr. Olympia level and be the next Schwarzenegger, like most people dreamed of. He came from a different era, makes you wonder why the other Mr. Olympia after him didn't quite have the same level of success he has. I could probably just be a "fitness model" instead of competing for bodybuilding trophies and a few grand, when models make good money as well, I think. I do not live in a state where Mr. Olympia is taken seriously, I think one needs to be in California for that. Like a boxer should be in Vegas, otherwise, it's still a shot in the dark or takes time to get established. I need the "feel good" as in confidence level while looking good as in elite athlete level using just a "specific" compound. I know confidence level can be achieved using dopaminergic drugs like amphetamines and looking good level can be achieved buying GNC steroids, but what I was getting at was a specific compound that belonged in 1 family or class of drug that can achieve both what I was looking for and I had a hunch that proviron is what it was (which can be a psychiatric drug as well as a "gym rat" drug). That's what I was getting at.

Neithman said:
well that can be reached without steroids that fuck your neurobalance up for a long time,imo taking steroids without having a goal where you can make money off(mr olympia or something like that)is just plain stupid and self harming.
It will take longer but the muscles you build naturally are more sustainable and of course more healthy
Just go to gym and do some cardio and you will reach that goal of looking good and feeling good
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Daz-69 said:
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as an anti estrogen, when using test with it anyway. depends what gear you've used while on cycle, proviron could be enough for a test only cycle (test with proviron). No water retention from what I understand. Depends on test dosage. I'm not a bulker, I'm fine where I'm at.
 
ongos said:
as an anti estrogen, when using test with it anyway. depends what gear you've used while on cycle, proviron could be enough for a test only cycle (test with proviron). No water retention from what I understand. Depends on test dosage. I'm not a bulker, I'm fine where I'm at.
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Its a myth proviron works as an anti estrogen.. Being 5-alpha reduced it doesnt convert to estrogen, that doesnt make it an anti estrogen..
 
could it be used alone by itself for cutting, not bulking at all? I've used anavar by itself before so why can't I use proviron?
 
I have to say I fucking loved Masteron (enanthate). DHT based. Strength, vitality, drive to train and fuck!

Also serves well to keep E2 in check when using other aromatizing steroids. (not as good as using Anastrozole etc though)

Test 2-300 + mast 3-400mg per week will have you feeling amazeballs.

You can run it alone even but I stick with test as a base for anything, just my preference.

Want to look good, feel good and actually aid your body while at it? Pharma HGH is where it is at. $ tho
 
Gweggles said:
I have to say I fucking loved Masteron (enanthate). DHT based. Strength, vitality, drive to train and fuck!

Also serves well to keep E2 in check when using other aromatizing steroids. (not as good as using Anastrozole etc though)

Test 2-300 + mast 3-400mg per week will have you feeling amazeballs.

You can run it alone even but I stick with test as a base for anything, just my preference.

Want to look good, feel good and actually aid your body while at it? Pharma HGH is where it is at. $ tho
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Just because masteron doesn't aromatise, doesn't mean it acts as an aromatase inhibitor..

Masteron by Peter Van Mol:

I've read this stupidity in so many threads on here, and literally every other board, book and article, that I just decided to make this into a new thread. But apparently no one in the whole AAS game understand the difference between androgen mediated repression of estrogenic actions and actual anti-estrogenic actions.

SERMS, are partial agonists and partial antagonists at the ER. Where they are antagonistic (like all of them are in the breast), they can be considered anti-estriogens. Aromatase inhibitors are anti-estrogens.

Dihydrotestosterone and ONLY dihydrotestosterone, as an androgen, has very mild anti-aromatase activity and could be considered a very mild anti-estrogen. THIS DOES NOT, NEVER DID, AND NEVER WILL MEAN THAT EVERY 5-ALPHA-REDUCED HORMONE (or DHT derivative as some like to call it) HAS ANTI-AROMATASE ACTION.

Androgens of all sorts, including actual testosterone, have been used in the clinical treatment of breast cancer, because androgen receptor binding in the breast, outweighing estrogen receptor activation, will counteract the estrogen-induced proliferation of breast cells. This is not an anti-estrogenic action, this is merely a function of androgens in the breast to counteract breast growth. This applies to :

- Mesterolone. Basically 1-methyl DHT, but the A-ring modification would interefere with aromatase binding. Meaning if DHT is a weak anti-aromatase drug, then the activity mesterolone might still have would require in excess of 500mg per day to have any direct anti-aromatase effect worth having. If you are using Proviron specifically as an anti-estrogen, you are wasting your money. It's effect in this regard is no different than any other potent androgen.

-Drostanolone, the 2-methyl group isn't just an A-ring modification that prevents or limits aromatase binding, it structurally protects the 3-keto group from being reduced, which is a requirement for aromatase function. Drostanolone is absolutely NOT an aromatase blocker. This is just some label given to it by people who saw it was predominantly used in treatment for breast cancer (which it was quite good at, because despite its weak nature, it is a very pure androgen, with little or no interaction outside of the AR) and the fact that it was structurally related to DHT.

-Epistane, similar to drostanolone, the non17AA version Epitiostanol was principally used to treat breast cancer. There is no evidence or suggestion that points to either structure having the least bit of affinity for aromatase, let alone being a functionally active inhibitor in doses used.

- Stanozolol, is MOST DEFINITELY NOT an anti-estrogen. On the contrary. The study mentioned below shows that Stanozolol can actually induce partial estrogenic sexual maturation in ovariectomized female rats. It would actually be an extremey weak estrogen, rather than an anti-estrogen.

Whitney AC, Clark AS. Effects of acute stanozolol treatment on puberty in female rats. Biol Reprod 2001 May;64(5):1460-5.

So please, do not confuse these things. known AI's like letrozole, anastrozole and exemestane are anti-estrogens. SERMs are conditional anti-estrogens. DHT, as a very, very mild AI, could potentially be termed modestly anti-estrogenic. Pretty much all other androgens we use ARE NOT ANTI-ESTROGENIC. Their effect in counteracting estrogen is purely based on their activity at the AR, and the effect is always going to be greater for more potent androgens.

If there is no evidence of anti-estrogenic action, please don't go around saying it's anti-estrogenic. Any increase in A:E ratio by the addition of a non-aromatizing, non-estrogenic androgen will in fact have some apparent estrogen countering effect, simply because you are increasing the ratio of androgens to estrogens.

Big Cat..
 
I wonder how methyl-dht shifts the a:e ratio? Seems to be pretty cheap and probably on par with proviron strength wise as an androgen. Since I don't have much issues with 5a reduced compounds on my prostate or hair line, once I find a quality source of it I'll test the waters with it.
 
Primo is overrated IMO for the price.



And genetic freak is spot on in regards to masteron and provi.
 
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