PD's Big & Dandy 5-IAI Thread

[nopipesdfw]

is there even a rc??, im a cynical old bastard and cant help thinking this is a ploy for vendors to offload all there nrg shit that no one wants

Maybe it's time we don't worry about it and stop following businessman "vendors" for hyped up, marketing minded pet treats. This is a quickly fading traditional RC scene where buyers had the advantage for once when buying chemicals into an online street corner for assholes to buy and sell under poor terms.

 

[J_I_M_B_O]

Customs can, however, seize and test anything that comes into the country. Especially suspicious white powders so close to the mephedrone ban. They can also seeming decide to test it at their leisure (or rather 'at Her Magisty's pleasure'). Depending how long it takes them to 'get around to test it' depends when or even if you get it back.

The site I originally got the decent stuff (5-IAI?) from says all their suppliers have had it seized by customs and it seems like they wont get it returned. The stuff I bought from there was taken by the police when I was searched at a club. It's been sent all for testing by the Forensic Science Service, which 'may take up to 3 months'. And the officers at the station said even if it was legal, they may decide to destroy it anyway.

I'll let you know what the results are, and given they use GC/MS I expect it to be rather precise.

 

[stevein7]

It feels like that the drugs question is approaching some sort of crossroads.

Possibly the whole of society is approaching a crossroads as capitalism is only producing negative results and early concepts of socialism have failed. Then there is the environmental question.

My instinct is to say the powers that be will hang on to the status quo and go for harsher prohibition measures and austerity, but the possibility of radical change is ever present.

 

[pioneer]

It feels like that the drugs question is approaching some sort of crossroads.

Possibly the whole of society is approaching a crossroads as capitalism is only producing negative results and early concepts of socialism have failed. Then there is the environmental question.

My instinct is to say the powers that be will hang on to the status quo and go for harsher prohibition measures and austerity, but the possibility of radical change is ever present.

Too true

 

[annaminx]

all the trip reports that say it feels like "coming up on mdma but it never quite touches the spot" sound exactly like my experience with nrg-2 and n-cat, both which i belive are probably the same thing. im going to try and order some 5-iai tomorrow and see if its still bunk but im curious.........its only just in on this website that ive been watching since i first saw mention of 5-iai

minx x

 

[busby]

Customs can, however, seize and test anything that comes into the country. Especially suspicious white powders so close to the mephedrone ban. They can also seeming decide to test it at their leisure (or rather 'at Her Magisty's pleasure'). Depending how long it takes them to 'get around to test it' depends when or even if you get it back.

The site I originally got the decent stuff (5-IAI?) from says all their suppliers have had it seized by customs and it seems like they wont get it returned. The stuff I bought from there was taken by the police when I was searched at a club. It's been sent all for testing by the Forensic Science Service, which 'may take up to 3 months'. And the officers at the station said even if it was legal, they may decide to destroy it anyway.

I'll let you know what the results are, and given they use GC/MS I expect it to be rather precise.

How can this be the case. Surely if someone with legal know how pursued this the government wouldn't have a leg to stand on?

 

[J_I_M_B_O]

How can this be the case. Surely if someone with legal know how pursued this the government wouldn't have a leg to stand on?

If I find that they have destroyed my 5-IAI (I'm hoping that's what it was) or they otherwise intend to confiscate it despite it being legal, then I will seriously consider legal action. Although I'll consult a solicitor first (which they already offered to me seeing as it was suspected possession of a class B).

I have a feeling that this imminent change of the drug law, which is being talking about in the papers, might conveniently get Royal Assent or whatever before my sample get tested. So they'll say 'Oh yea it will legal THEN, but now it falls into our new temporary banning class D, which means you wont have it back.'

 

[Shambles]

It takes months for a new law to be passed in the UK even if it's rushed through like was the case with cathinones and GBL. Customs cannot arbitrarily decide to keep hold of something on the offchance that it will become illegal. Besides, there are dozens of other RCs being shipped here in huge quantities so what's so special about 5-IAI? It's just one of many anonymous white powders. Are customs officers psychic and managing to sniff out that particular one and turning a blind eye to all the others? Of course not. It's simply not being shipped yet is all.

 

[MeDieViL]

It takes months for a new law to be passed in the UK even if it's rushed through like was the case with cathinones and GBL. Customs cannot arbitrarily decide to keep hold of something on the offchance that it will become illegal. Besides, there are dozens of other RCs being shipped here in huge quantities so what's so special about 5-IAI? It's just one of many anonymous white powders. Are customs officers psychic and managing to sniff out that particular one and turning a blind eye to all the others? Of course not. It's simply not being shipped yet is all.

Exactly my toughts.

 

[Shambles]

The reason for the hold-up with 5-IAI is perfectly simple - the lab that is producing it is finding it hard to scale up production and has so far only been able to produce it in very small quantities. It's apparently a far more complicated synth than most of the current crop of RCs and they're still working out how to do it successfully in saleable amounts. Any vendor who claims to have any at the moment is lying - simple as that. It won't be available for a while yet.

 

[infinity2k7]

If you look on certain chinese forums there's actually chemical suppliers trying to buy it themselves from others to provide the sudden demand for it. I'm sure it'll turn up soon enough anyway, i'm not convinced anyone had it at all yet though. I have a feeling most vendors are relying on an intermediary than actually buying from the supplier, so when the intermediary says a certain product is coming ie. 5-IAI then the vendors are the ones assuming it will come quicker than it is and saying it keeps being put back.

 

[busby]

It takes months for a new law to be passed in the UK even if it's rushed through like was the case with cathinones and GBL. Customs cannot arbitrarily decide to keep hold of something on the offchance that it will become illegal. Besides, there are dozens of other RCs being shipped here in huge quantities so what's so special about 5-IAI? It's just one of many anonymous white powders. Are customs officers psychic and managing to sniff out that particular one and turning a blind eye to all the others? Of course not. It's simply not being shipped yet is all.

Didn't the methedrone ban only take a few weeks if a month to ban? I'm not sure when they started to try to ban it but I'm sure it didn't take long.

I may be completely wrong though as I've only got the papers view on this and not what was "actually" happening.

 

[Shambles]

It took at least three months if not longer - probably nearer six months - and was being discussed even longer than that before the process to ban it was begun and they also have to wait for the ACMD to look into it and give their report (which is almost always ignored anyway 8)). Even then the bill has to go through a number of rewrites, amendments, legal checks and votes in parliament before being sent to the House of Lords for further discussion and then has to wait even longer before the law is actually passed. I believe changes to the MoDA in the UK are only made on two dates each year - these things take time.

 

[J_I_M_B_O]

It would just seem odd that a chemical that was being touted as being 'very exciting' in April, still hasn't reared it's head. Those Chinese suppliers know there is BIG money to be made, and obviously the first Lab(s) to make it will get a big slice.

Lets face it, MDAI and Naphyrone etc are no mephedrone successors, and the Government knows this. By letting crap, anxiogenic (and in some cases almost inhert) chemicals to be sold, and preventing decent ones, it will help this new generation of guinea pigs get bored and throw in the towel. This will stop the 'boiling over' of hysteria and panic, giving them time to sort it out properly.

 

[Shambles]

And yet something like 6-APB which has been shown beyond doubt to be very exciting and effective and is likely to be huge when the larger shipments land got through fine... And all those other ones that the media got their knickers in a twist over too. Those customs people must be incredibly lucky to have managed to stop every "shipment" (that there haven't been any of at all so far). You'd think they'd be better at stopping all the coke, heroin, MDMA, etc that actually are illegal from getting in but maybe they've given up on those and turned all their attention on to this drug that nobody even knows if it will be any good or not so far. Make perfect sense...

 

[busby]

It took at least three months if not longer - probably nearer six months - and was being discussed even longer than that before the process to ban it was begun and they also have to wait for the ACMD to look into it and give their report (which is almost always ignored anyway 8)). Even then the bill has to go through a number of rewrites, amendments, legal checks and votes in parliament before being sent to the House of Lords for further discussion and then has to wait even longer before the law is actually passed. I believe changes to the MoDA in the UK are only made on two dates each year - these things take time.

Thanks. luckily or unluckily depending on your viewpoint I only really found out about and tried Methedrone about 1 month before the ban so it seemed like it was banned fast.

 

[BelfastLinesMan]

new member here just thought i'd share this email i recieved from a vendor about the 5-IAI situation.

"In my opinion no one could have 5-iai at present!! We have purchased a few g’s off numerous websites that claim they are selling 5-iai and had them tested but none of them have 5-iai, they are generally selling 2-ai (NRG2) falsely saying it is 5-iai to make a quick buck!!



We have 5-iai held in customs, and this is the first batch that I know has been produced anywhere in the world... We paid the VAT and duty for the products in customs yesterday which is a good sign so hopefully we should have this cleared from customs on Monday/Tuesday!"

Hope this helps!!!

 

[J_I_M_B_O]

I don't understand why they would ship out 2-Amino indane. Unless they are having trouble sticking the iodine onto it. Perhaps what I had could have been 2-AI. Interesting.

 

[Tarmac1888]

Hi, another newbie here. My supplier who i've found to be very trustworthy reckons it will be at least another couple of weeks.

He reckons that anybody selling it is scamming, so watch what you are buying folk!!

 

[Shambles]

I don't understand why they would ship out 2-Amino indane.

Cos it's a shit drug that they can't shift so are selling it under any name they can just to get rid of it.

He reckons that anybody selling it is scamming

I think you'll find every vendor says that about the competition

He is right though - nobody has any yet.