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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: Tripping Past 2020

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Somehow I've ended up drinking water to (Klaus Schulze - Osiris) and enjoying it.

Safe dissociative liftoff if there ever was one.

3-HO-PCP with naltrexone shield tho..
 
Love Dissociatives so much they are probably some of my favorite drugs, but I cannot control myself from binging them. I just love that comforting headspace so much and I get really euphoric/manic and just keep repeating the dosing if I have an excessive amount on hand. Wish it wasn't this way but after many years of trial and error I just have to give up at this point. I've been able to keep large amounts of psychedelics in my stash and only use weekly without issue but the Dissos make me binge and so do Benzodiazapines in a similar fashion, with those I also love the stress free mindset and I just keep taking more until they are all gone.

They really cost me this time in that I have to stay at this damn halfway house but now that I'm working again I will be able to save up some money and get myself out of here. I really love holing on drugs like Ketamine and MXE and it's analogs but I just have to be grateful for the times I did have when the trips were good and didn't end in mayhem.

When I go back to using substances I'm going to stick with only psychedelics and empathogens and focus on having a healthy relationship with them. I'm looking forward to tripping again I will probably take some LSD at the Dead Show this summer if I can find some doses at Shakedown Street which I'm sure I will. Gonna take some other RC's Psychedelics at some point also, but all in due time I'm not really in a rush.

But yeah writing about Dissociatives is pretty tricky I have been able to articulate what happened briefly here in the social threads but I've never been able to make a more deeply written report. They are pretty incredible drugs tho and I've had some earth shattering cosmic trips on them, will also miss those compounds and I think about them pretty frequently, it's not worth fucking my life up again tho this is like the second or third misshap over the past 5 years and it's time for me to move on.
 
The value I have gotten from it so far has been heavily situation-dependent... it happens that I have been in desperate need of a therapeutic mindset and a way to hep facilitate open communication, and it seems to be really good at that. Other than that aspect, it's been pleasant but nothing too exciting. Chances are if I had been in a perfectly happy mindset without these underlying issues, I wouldn't be having such profoundly positive experiences.
 
Xorkoth said:
What does the naltrexone do to this? Did you take it on purpose for some effect, or are you on it for some other reason?
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Well, "being on it" is putting it strongly. Some crumbs remained after treating the disregulated-dynorphin-aspect of the tinnitus the 3-HO-PCP induced a year and a half ago. And combining it with a KOR agonist is a way of putting it to use.

Because Naltrexone has stronger affinity to the kappa opioid receptor than the dissociative. So it prevents setting off the tinnitus cascade, heavily amplifying the (usually temporary) tinnitus of NMDA-antagonists. And it lets through most of the DOR agonism, so the net effect is still dopey.

It's non-trivial to obtain KOR blockers without prescription though. I've just read the herb Ginkgo Biloba contains a KOR blocker too. Amentoflavone's affinity isn't nearly as strong alas, and doesn't even exceed 3-HO-PCP's affinity. I'll test it out anyway once I feel adventurous enough, maybe there's a dose of Ginkgo that works nevertheless. I've learned to spot immediately if something even has a trace of kappa opioid affinity, and it would advance harm reduction concerning this particular compound.
 
I didn't either, ha! The variety of stuff you need to know as a volunteer binging guinea pig.. who could have guessed KOR and the cochlea intersects into a ticket for a year of hell on earth?!
 
Actually, I'm not sure DOR is that relevant to the dopeyness, 3-HO-PCP's affinity to it is pretty weak. Which might be convenient, since Ginkgo's has a strong DOR blocking effect. Of all opioid receptors, MOR is strongest for 3-HO-PCP, which I don't see Ginkgo having any influence on.

I'm not too knowledgeable on what opioid receptor produces what effects (apart from that I know I DON'T WANT KAPPA ACTIVATED FFS PLS NO :p). Is it rather the MOR that produces the nodding effect?

Any dope fans with any insight?


Edit: 25g of Ginkgo Biloba extract seems to do a decent job blocking the ototoxicity of a 10mg 3-HO-PCP dose. (Yah.. erring on the side of overkill for this one!)
 
Chris Timothy said:
Actually, I'm not sure DOR is that relevant to the dopeyness, 3-HO-PCP's affinity to it is pretty weak. Which might be convenient, since Ginkgo's has a strong DOR blocking effect. Of all opioid receptors, MOR is strongest for 3-HO-PCP, which I don't see Ginkgo having any influence on.

I'm not too knowledgeable on what opioid receptor produces what effects (apart from that I know I DON'T WANT KAPPA ACTIVATED FFS PLS NO :p). Is it rather the MOR that produces the nodding effect?

Any dope fans with any insight?


Edit: 25g of Ginkgo Biloba extract seems to do a decent job blocking the ototoxicity of a 10mg 3-HO-PCP dose. (Yah.. erring on the side of overkill for this one!)
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Not a dope fan but pretty sure it's the MOR yes

"Although morphine exhibits high affinity for both delta and mu receptors, a recent study has shown that mu receptor knockout mice no longer exhibit morphine-induced analgesia (Matthes et al. 1996). "

What is it you like about dissociatives? Pain management?
 
Cool, thx.

I like the depression relief, mind expansion and trippiness. Basically the things normal people value in psychedelics, which got me in some absolute trainwrecks early on in my life. I acknowledge psychedelics tend to be the more sustainable ones generally, and I've gotten value out of microdosing, and of psy/dis combos. But there's such an amount of trauma I've had to deal with in my early life that psychedelics have always tended to explode the situation, whereas dissociatives.. well.. dissociate from the impact of deep stuff coming up, so they've always been the more fitting ones for me personally, and it's a bit of a life mission of mine to find ways to control the reputedly uncontrollable beast.

Though sometimes they come with extended tinnitus, and as much as I love dissociatives, I fucking hate EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEndless tones setting up shop within one's baseline experience. So I'm figuring that balancing act out currently.

So yeah, the mental pain management aspect has indeed been a perk.. until that massively backfired through mindlessly binging on 3-HO-PCP, about which you can read all about in the tinnitus thread (currently somewhere on page 2 of PD, I reckon).
 
Accidentally doubled the dose for some dumb reason, broke some glass, stepped on it and bled all over the place, urgh..

Took me a while to figure out where the red liquid was coming from, while the universe was reassembling.. :rolleyes:

Where is my mind the moments I decide a double dose is OK? That's messed up.


Edit: slaughtered some opponents with my rusty chess game with it. In my heart I don't care for games anymore, but they make for interesting data 'n metrics about states of consciousness, heh.
 
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Started with opium and a cap of MXE (~8mg). Headed down to Byron Bay Bluesfest. Ate half a gram of mesc and a festival pizza. Then lit a spliff to punctuate it.
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That sounds like a wonderful combination, I’m sure you have/had a beautiful day!

Actually just licked up ~3mg MXE myself and I can feel a definite mood lift and slight waviness. First time with the legendary MXE today. :) Think I’m going for 10mg sublingually at a techno event tonight.
 
Have a random find in the Flemish Bush, when all hopes seem lost and then this occurs.

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I feel like I'm in an aquarium made of sound. A sonic aquarium. Projected onto the roof, I see my own thoughts weaving together like cobwebs made of scaffolding.

This is far out, I usually don't trip like this at festivals.
 
MXE is pretty potent, I always am able to feel very, very small doses, though it is more of a subtle "tuning" until you get a bit larger.

I've been using small doses of around 10mg recently as an antidepressant, it's worked really well. Not sustainable long term, but really good in a pinch to give myself a period of feeling light and peaceful
 
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