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[Solipsis]

What does it mean to be distracted from a trip? It tends to dramatically change the way you think about pretty much everything, making connections and easily realizing deep things because of the unusual connections that are insightful... Unsurprisingly that won't just stop while the trip is on.
But on the other hand, and equally interestingly, some acute stuff that can happen (more 'alarming' than your grandma I am betting and hope for you) can famously sober people up quickly from many drugs..
There are two main modes of thinking (says Nobel prize winner Kahneman): quick knee-jerk autopilot, intuitive (feeling relied), prejudiced, and bordering on subconscious... and there's slow, deliberate, conscious, analytic. We are very unaware of the flaws of that fast mode, but its certainly economical.
In an emergency, I wonder what happens. Of course the well known adrenaline flows, but what thinking mode predominates? what allows us to overcome drug effects and perform? Some stuff is perhaps suspended so that we can focus only on important decisions, so maybe what addles the drugged brain becomes a bit irrelevant everywhere its suspended and frozen / inhibited.

I also wonder a lot of things about how people react differently to altered states / drugs as they grow older. Must partially depends on whether the age comes with damage, from external factors or just senescence... being less resilient i guess ppl can tolerate effects, changes, the taxing of it less well? My dad reacted poorly when I exposed him to things like MDMA and nitrous... I myself also find it much less likely to get 'ideal' results ;p

@ the ponify trolling plug-in: google chrome sync activates all installed plug-ins, so instead of disabling this time i removed it completely haha

Got a picture (5x5) of acid yay, back in 'business' ;p !

rest of post maybe tl;dr stuff for here so made a blog post on it:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/entries...-script-amp-effects-LSD-(no-script)-vs-AL-LAD

 

[Help?!?!]

Man I never really got why people call LSD "dark". It's always elicited such hardcore euphoria. Don't take that tge wrong way though because one thing LSD can consistently be is hardcore. That said, it may not have fluffy frilly edges like the other lysergamides but I myself wouldn't call that dark. Simply more intense. Psychedelics are weird chemicals like that though. Being able to be simultaneously lackadaisical while being extremely intense at other times. For such an extreme psychedelic, I find LSD so easy to deal with. It's one of the only psyches I've never really had any trouble with even after doing it hundreds of times. Even when it gets intense for me, it's easy to deal with. It's difficulty also feels productive for me instead of feeling detrimental(though that isn't always the case for other psyches!). Kinda just a personal rant probably pretty meaningless to others but something I often think about when people call LSD "dark"(though I know you haven't been tripping much Sol, been there so comparitively AL-LAD could be like a walk in the park compared to LSD...).

I've had a few..."emergencies" while tripping and I've had those moments that are sobering, but I only find it sobering while said event is happening, once it's over I'm tripping hard again.

Also never heard of a "picture" of acid before: Dunno if it's a regional thing but here it's a strip(ten hits), a sheet(one hundred hits), a page(a thousand hits), or a book(ten thousand hits).

TAC, I think that's one of the marvels of having used psychedelics(though it's not a prerequisite to that style of thinking...), you just learn how to think about anything and everything in highly unusual abstract manners. I find that so interesting!

 

[yepyepwoah]

Man, nothing like a trip to the void to make any type of "normal life" seem acceptable

The other night I took about 25mg each 3 meo pcp and o pce between 9pm-2am. About 1230am I decide I really want to dose some DPT. Do not actually end up doing so until 5am. I guess I was kinda dissasociated, the interminent bumps of ketamine didn't help much.

I spent some time meditating, trying to form a purpose for tripping. I think I spent more time just kinda stuck, time passing with me not moving. Haha. Spent some time waiting for chems to warm to room temp, then more time talking myself out of adding in whatever chem was passing through my hands.

Ended up plugging 65mg dpt, 50mg mxe, and putting 150mg ketamine in the nose. I usually go for 200mg ket, but 100mg proloy wouoda been better as I blacked out.

Remember laying down with some headphones and a spotify playlist going. I soon become nothing, cognizant of only conciousness tumbling through nothingness. Perhaps not even tumbling, just existing. There was a vague awareness that perhaps "I" had been something else before, perhaps could be again. Just an existence of nothing, and it was terrible to say the least.

I come to and it is about 715am. It took about 5 minutes to convince myself I wasnt in some weird hole that resembled my room. I guess i grabbed a curtain, which in turn pulled the rod down (breaking the hanger), shich landed on a small wooden table that broke it apart. I am known to be a violent (punching and kicking) sleeper, so I guess I was fighting something. I do not believe I got out of bed, mostly because nothing else was destroyed or knocked over.

Imagining that empty existence, except being plagued by the pain I had caused others by commiting suicide... Well, I guess my intention was " Please show me a way to live with love for myself and others. Help me see a way to live this life fully" that sure does it. At least until the memory fades.

Was on my way to a concert that night, thinking about the experience. The truck in front of me had plates that read
"DPT 0853" ...

 

[perpetualdawn]

Also never heard of a "picture" of acid before: Dunno if it's a regional thing but here it's a strip(ten hits), a sheet(one hundred hits), a page(a thousand hits), or a book(ten thousand hits).

I always thought of a sheet as 100 units too, but I think for some places/people it means 1000. People say a hundred-lot around here too.

 

[Help?!?!]

Never heard it any other way. Not even on the interwebs. I'm pretty sure if you searched for those words it would come up how I posted, who knows though.

Sounds fucking sweet Yep! I wish I had some dissociatives right now badly. It's been months since I had any. I want to reside in the ethers of reality for awhile. Not have to think so much. Right now I've been doing GHB a lot for the past few days since I got some terrible news and will continue to do so to escape a bit. Doing so on dissociatives isn't good either but at least there's some value to it, right now I'm just straight numbing my feelings and brain. Dissociatives numb my feelings but not my brain in certain regards. So much..."healthier" in a sense...

 

[kidklmx]

Some say escaping doesn't have any value, but for me it provides a lot of relieve from my turned to infinity brain and actually helps with processing and bringing things in to context.

 

[Help?!?!]

Some say escaping doesn't have any value, but for me it provides a lot of relieve from my turned to infinity brain and actually helps with processing and bringing things in to context.

I defintely feel similar. It just depends, for me what I'm doing really. Right now I'm basically turning my brain off for the most part because I need to take whooper doses of sedatives to do it. I'm talking 4+ grams of GHB or like 3-4mgs of Alprolazolam. I don't have really any tolerance to either, just an example of how it's always been. I wish I had some dissociatives like MXE so bad! It would really help me process it. Numb me enough to deal with it more abstractly allowing for..."ease of access.". I really should stop but I'm in self destruct mode and can't be assed to give a fuck! Doing things like this make me so apathetic for times like now it's brilliant but also super determental. I'm basically like, "Health?!? Fuck that shit!"..."I need to get fuckedddd up!". The G's tearing up my stomach because I haven't been eating, g'ibg myself out to unconsciousness, and shit... Shits also hard because I ate all my Lyrica for tge couple of weeks, so doing anything is a bitch to do without. My feet are going crazy without G, it's hard to walk around much without it. I want to excerise though, get out and walk in nature listening to some tunes. MXE would be perfect right now. Dissociatives kill my pain better than Lyrica does actually. Putting me in a much more productive state mentally, and physically. It's to bad it's not that available right now. I don't feel like hitting up the dark web, and I'm not exactly flush with a ton of cash now anyway... I also don't feel like locating it on the surface web either... Haha I'm just way to apathetic at the moment..

 

[TheAppleCore]

Some say escaping doesn't have any value, but for me it provides a lot of relieve from my turned to infinity brain and actually helps with processing and bringing things in to context.

Everything in moderation, including moderation.

 

[Solipsis]

Yeah meant LSD not to be that dark, but rather that as you say AL-LAD is a walk in the park for the most part, 300 ug was intense recently like I mentioned but the 'lessons' not too harsh but doable. When tripping at least somewhat frequently I know myself to cope / deal with and integrate even heavy duty shit well, but I'm not looking to get so lost anymore.
I have had a long period with really not much tripping, and LSD has been a while, so mostly meant that I better not get overconfident or hubrous even... based on AL-LAD being great.

Thanks for providing some relativity, Help?!?

I have experience with modafinil Xorkoth, but not oral or prescribed. I once ordered 10 grams for a very affordable price and still have that same single batch/order (not much left, shared a lot). Found out insufflation is so much more economical and the short-ish duration is practical but I pretty much never hear others snorting pure modafinil, only irl friends from back then. Can't comment on comparison with oral but if you call it subtle, I don't think my nasal effects were ineffective or placebo-like, or that I basically don't know what potential it has.
I do know from recent ADHD personal research that modafinil is tried and exactly as you say found to not really help with attention but just with wakefulness (which can have indirect benefits on performance if you are tired/exhausted). That was also my experience. Insufflation was not for recreational purpose, though I tried pushing it once and mostly found increased side effects, the typical jittery etc shit. No recreational potential IMO and afaik it was never touted as that ever..

With GHB: please be careful with abuse or binging, I have experience in that department as well from years ago. Note that it can involve very bad levels of sodium intake, perhaps unnoticed by some.. Also importantly: don't up your doses to combat tolerance as that makes quitting not a shitty experience with bad BP but actually dangerous or even very dangerous depending on your dosage. Quitting prolonged use at hardly any elevated doses was helped a lot by gabapentin back then but I see you are already on that, so not exactly sure if that will be just as much of a savior.

I can't do 3-MeO-PCP or other dissos now that I am on stim scripts, really don't feel like anxious psychosis or anything in that domain. No concurrent cannabis or psychedelics either I guess, although throwing in some 2C-C after my rebound/crash couldn't hurt perhaps. I am feeling fine actually and don't crave narcotics. Ritalin doesn't *really* make me feel high, but still nice. Ease and progress / flow. The tense feelings are manageable for now.
But anyway yes excellent for pain, but too often in my numbed state I do stuff that make me end up with lots more pain, having strained my back for example. I fear that may be why I have back pains right now. I haven't taken anything for the pain yet, and while I sometimes do fret that I might have fucked up my liver or kidneys or that parts of my body are burned-out.... I don't actually believe such explanations match with just having lower back pain right now. Just having it for days can be worrisome, until you remember and/or read (again) that it can take weeks to resolve.

Man Ritalin is weird for me.. some things are unexpectedly boosted and others as challenging as it was or much more. The insomnia is pretty brutal. Also yesterday I couldn't really stop taking it throughout the day, reading the GEB book well into the night, while I normally have little patience for reading these days - Typical I guess - (and sort of 'had to' take etizolam after maxing out daily dose which doesn't really help clear up effectivity of Ritalin. But I used it appropriately again today, and consider skipping tomorrow. Today I mostly tidied up and read that technical book, also started writing myself and I finished a cartoon that I wasn't expecting to start working on so soon. Didn't really feel need to turn on my computer which is extremely unusual for me.. Also typical is that I have a tendency for monotonous tasks, but some particular things like cooking that I often enjoy, I now just don't do and eat plain rice and carrots. I can eat but minimally and don't enjoy it. With some tasks that I still want to push back, it seems that very quickly after deciding to get it over with, it appears to go with a lot of ease. Not a real paradox but tricky nonetheless.
I hear some people take Ritalin before sleeping because they need to concentrate / have calm organized thought to get to sleep. My head gets calm from Ritalin which is such a relief.. but I definitely have doubts that I can sleep during stim effects? Testing my use much more than agreed with my shrink, but I really haven't figured things like the timing and sleep etc out. Also no idea if taking 5 mg increments is different from 10 mg increments and I would say that my sweet spot for active dose is 15 basically.

I have an appointment at wednesday and the script was a box of 30 tabs so it really shouldn't run out but I hope he is understanding of my tests. ;p

The benefits seem pretty damn promising and important to me, the insomnia will determine how limited the days will be that I would want to take it and sacrifice, should I opt for Ritalin. Secretly my money is kind of on dexamph but I am perfectly willing to give Ritalin a complete chance, for weeks if necessary and if I can work out the issues, not really a need to go on dex.

 

[+96+]

"new chemical EMTM (similar chemical structure as DMT)"

Hey what's up you guys. I was curious, is this real/possible/whatevs? Maybe just a typo? If it is I feel silly.

 

[vortech]

Was on my way to a concert that night, thinking about the experience. The truck in front of me had plates that read
"DPT 0853" ...

Thanks for sharing this experience yepyepwhoah. I appreciate your approach. I can only imagine the intensity of ripping through the veil in this manner crossing into this plane by the metaphor of ripping down of your curtain, LOL!
Also there's nothing like getting that nod of synchronicity (DPT 0853) after such an courageous psychonautic pilgrimage. Any dose of DPT over 40mg I consider to be courageous...I haven't yet crossed beyond that dose, perhaps I still have a bit of fear to address.

"new chemical EMTM (similar chemical structure as DMT)"

Hey what's up you guys. I was curious, is this real/possible/whatevs? Maybe just a typo? If it is I feel silly.

I also got an email that mentioned this new upcoming DMT analog. Definitely piqued my interest, but I guess we will have to wait until info and trip reports

 

[Solipsis]

If random folks at other fora are correct, EMTM is NcPT or N-cyclopropyltryptamine which apparently is quite underwhelming and short-lived..

But that could be bullshit especially since the name EMTM makes absolutely no sense that I can think of.. on the other hand, I am at least as hardpressed to come up with any tryptamine that EMTM could instead stand for... it does not end on a T which is pretty flipdarn curious in any case.. unless uh it is some ester like bladibla tryptamine methanoate... however thatd be super unstable .. morpholide then lol no wait goddamn it that would preclude the N,N methyl ethyl, which by jupiter would be in the wrong order than we're used to. Alphabetical though. What a bitch..

 

[+96+]

If random folks at other fora are correct, EMTM is NcPT or N-cyclopropyltryptamine which apparently is quite underwhelming and short-lived..

But that could be bullshit especially since the name EMTM makes absolutely no sense that I can think of.. on the other hand, I am at least as hardpressed to come up with any tryptamine that EMTM could instead stand for... it does not end on a T which is pretty flipdarn curious in any case.. unless uh it is some ester like bladibla tryptamine methanoate... however thatd be super unstable .. morpholide then lol no wait goddamn it that would preclude the N,N methyl ethyl, which by jupiter would be in the wrong order than we're used to. Alphabetical though. What a bitch..

Hehe. You added to my confusion and speculation theories. Thank you

 

[TheAppleCore]

Hmm...

I so desperately want to share my concept of the world with all of you. I long for you all to be able to see life and its relation to the universe the way I do, because it's so profoundly inspiring. However, it's far too complex to just spill in a single forum post, which pains me.

Before I leave this plane of existence, I feel that I need to encapsulate these ideas somehow. I could just write a book, but I think I'll try to do it through artwork.

 

[Solipsis]

Eh structure it with some sort of mindmapping maybe, and why choose between writing and art when you can do both, plus it doesnt have to be a big fat book (that doesnt help to start on it), just start with notes expanding on a number of the concepts - then it should along the way suggest how to even better weave the parts to explain things well..

Don't do any of it if it means you leave this plane soon afterwards

Yeah often art can be more powerful than a thousand words :D although it does help if the words are not all identical

sounds fascinating tac

 

[vortech]

TAC, WRITE A BOOK! Seriously it can be not only seriously cathartic, it can connect with other people, and it can enhance and solidy your understanding of your own concepts which can lead to further evolution, and who know where it will go from there. Many trains of thought in the book I'm now writing are evolutions of thought trains from my first book.
...or you could do it through artwork, I recommend music + visuals together for most potent effect, but music by itself is still a potent medium. Looking a couple years into the future, Virtual Reality will be an unbelievably hot and powerful medium and will be increasingly easy to develop for.

If you want an example of what a single person can accomplish producing all their own music and visuals, check out this A/V album: Serendipity

 

[Solipsis]

Is any of you working on a theory and formula for how things swirl?

 

[Img_9999]

I dosed some 3-MeO-PCPyeserday and I'm getting a very strong afterglow, feeling so stimulated and hypomanic. Everything seems hilarious too, was talking to my girl on Skype a while back and was laughing unusually hard about everything we jocked about.

Oh man, oh man. I'm listening to music right now and I'm in pure bliss. I'm liking this afterglow more than the high in itself . First time I got such a song one off 3Meo

Hmm...

I so desperately want to share my concept of the world with all of you. I long for you all to be able to see life and its relation to the universe the way I do, because it's so profoundly inspiring. However, it's far too complex to just spill in a single forum post, which pains me.

Before I leave this plane of existence, I feel that I need to encapsulate these ideas somehow. I could just write a book, but I think I'll try to do it through artwork.

Man, go for it ! If something is too abstract to convey in common words, then it's a good starting point for thinking and writing. The path ahead of it will surely be an interesting journey. Also your artwork will certainly feed from the crystallization of concepts that your writing process will catalyze. Creation feeds on creation, matter gives life to matter. Gotta keep moving and doing to keep creativity and inspiration alive.

Is any of you working on a theory and formula for how things swirl?

Getting there anytime soon ! For the time moment studying swirly electron transfer. Working my way up from there.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hmm...

I so desperately want to share my concept of the world with all of you. I long for you all to be able to see life and its relation to the universe the way I do, because it's so profoundly inspiring. However, it's far too complex to just spill in a single forum post, which pains me.

Before I leave this plane of existence, I feel that I need to encapsulate these ideas somehow. I could just write a book, but I think I'll try to do it through artwork.

Welcome to my mission... I've felt this way for a long time. I've tried to do it through writing, art and music. Also in conversations with people. You can't ever fully communicate your headspace but you can hit it from as many angles as possible and communicate something useful, and inspire others.

Keep in mind, too, that it feels like you've got it, but in reality, there is stuff you're wrong about too, stuff I'm wrong about too. None of us can ever really know much of anything, and we'll never get the whole picture because that picture is infinite. But we can come up with a working model that helps us to be the best people we can be, for ourselves and others. In my mind, it's mostly about being able to maintain an overall view and an objective stance in life, to be able to know when you're acting in a way or feeling a way that is harmful or not in line with what you believe, and changing that action or feeling to be consistent, before causing any harm (and ideally before acting in the first place). In other words, using your perspective to better your life and the lives of those you touch.

I dosed some 3-MeO-PCPyeserday and I'm getting a very strong afterglow, feeling so stimulated and hypomanic. Everything seems hilarious too, was talking to my girl on Skype a while back and was laughing unusually hard about everything we jocked about.

Oh man, oh man. I'm listening to music right now and I'm in pure bliss. I'm liking this afterglow more than the high in itself . First time I got such a song one off 3Meo

Haha, yeah, the 3-MeO-PCP hypomania is a beautiful thing. What I started doing is taking very small doses every few hours, like 2-3mg. I start to get the mania/afterglow state after the second dose usually, and it builds throughout the day, and I never actually get dissociated or impaired at all. I ran out but I'll get some more sometime soon. It's a really useful thing. In particular it's absolutely amazing for playing music and feeling rhythms within that music.

 

[Just A Guy]

Hmm...

I so desperately want to share my concept of the world with all of you. I long for you all to be able to see life and its relation to the universe the way I do, because it's so profoundly inspiring. However, it's far too complex to just spill in a single forum post, which pains me.

Before I leave this plane of existence, I feel that I need to encapsulate these ideas somehow. I could just write a book, but I think I'll try to do it through artwork.

Ever watched the 1981 movie "My Dinner with Andre"? -- totally recommend it.