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[Morninggloryseed]

I would argue that 'you did it wrong'.

DiPT should be taken at night, in silence, preferably outside. Fussing about on the computer, and watching TV, you are missing all of the goods that would happen had you taken it without such distractions.

I know, such a know it all...but DiPT has given me, many others including xork a ++++ type experience in this setting.

It is far more subtle, the entheogenic effects, when compared to the hearing distortions which is why DIPT is best experienced in a more sensory deprived setting, then the entheogenic effects will predominate.

If you have the chance and you're interested and you're only worried about psychological effects I would say go for it. This is undoubtedly one of the lightest psychedelics on the mind I've ever taken, if not the lightest. Not to say that it doesn't have a psychedelic headspace in terms of things like euphoria and sensory enhancement, but there was no thought loops or random tangents or even come up anxiety.

 

[Kaleida]

Does any of that change the fact that it's still perfectly clearheaded and mild if you want it to be though? I don't think being in that setting would have stopped it from being one of the lightest psychedelics on the mind I've ever taken, granted that I have almost no experience with anything outside of tryptamines relatively speaking.

I didn't immediately plunge into listening to music, as I barely even had any interest in it going in. During the time where I was getting the loud ringing I used it as an opportunity to meditate, hoping that the white noise would take me further into a trance than I could normally get without it (which I did feel was somewhat successful, but it's hard to say really). With eyes closed my visual field by default consisted of nothing but vast open fields of white light and colorful static. I watched the light grow along with the ringing until they both began to engulf me, and at that point the real visuals showed up. As before they reminded me of mushrooms with a hedonistic style more like LSD, but honestly I felt that they were more developed than anything I have even seen on mushrooms before. I would go as far to say that they may have been the most 3D psychedelic visuals I've ever had, albeit all visionary with almost no geometry.

However, I didn't hold on to them for long. They were beautiful, but you were right that this dose was not "never been here before" territory. Stylistically, I found them almost identical to visuals I have only otherwise had on MiPT, as I said a bit more 3D and detailed than MiPT was in those same ways, but then without all the extra flair that makes MiPT more similar to DMT than DiPT is as well. It's extremely similar to how I feel about 4-HO-DPT compared to 4-HO-MPT: the former maximizes the more hedonistic and visionary potential of the latter, but I've still so far found the latter to be a more satisfying psychedelic experience for me because my preferred trip is one that combines both the qualities best exemplified by these six carbon tryptamines and those classical effects that their natural two carbon parent molecules have made famous.

So, after I had those thoughts I decided to just instead explore the other effects that I knew would absolutely make DiPT the most unique experience to me, the auditory distortion. And I would say that the decision was not poorly made.... This experience was very moving and definitely the kind of more relaxing trip I was needing.

I would like to explore that side of DiPT more, but honestly, I'm a little worried about the fact that it would seem I might need to dose higher than this already to get to a fully satisfying in point in that way, because I was serious in saying that the ringing was almost intolerable and the purge it gave me was actually a lot more nauseous and uncomfortable than that produced by MiPT. I have half a mind to try smoking it next time though, as I think that would basically solve every problem at once, intensifying the psychedelic effects in comparison to the audio effects and cutting out the gastrointestinal involvement. As I said before, I really do prefer the oral route with psychedelics and even find DMT to be somewhat lacking when smoked, but that's at least partially because I feel like the trip needs more time to develop and get really deep, whereas the DiPT trip did kind of strike me as the hedonistic type along the lines of something like 4-HO-DPT that could potentially be a lot better the faster it hits you because it's more about submission than involvement, if that makes sense.

Anyways, if I keep talking I will have nothing interesting left to say for my trip report... so that's it.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Yeah, I'd say you have quite the trip report there! To be clear, the 'you did it wrong' comment was sarcastic....well I meant it but I said it knowing my way isn't the only way (but it is always the best way of course )

I wanted to add one more thing....while I agree psychedelics are (for the most part) best consumed orally...apparently DIPT when vaporized is far more visionary and entheogenic...not just in potency but qualitative effect. I do not speak first hand here, but back in 2004 when DiPT first became widely used...many explorers found this route the most satisfying.

I did find MiPT when vaporized to be VERY different from taking it orally, and the same is known to be true of 5-MeO-MiPT.

We should both explore DiPT via vaporization when the mood strikes us.

 

[Xorkoth]

I could give that a try too actually. I have about 300mg. I want to do a large oral dose first, but in general DiPT isn't something I'd want to take very often at all so there should be plenty for everything.

 

[Kaleida]

Sounds like a plan, guys. I'd love to help expand the knowledge on this one.

More visionary and entheogenic sounds great to me! That is the impression that I got so that's cool to hear. The way the visions formed for me felt as if they would reach an out-of-body kind of state if pushed far enough, so my thought was that a rapid build up might make the experience more akin to something like a sudden astral projection.

MGS, I know that you said you found smoking MiPT similar to MET but less sensory and that you find MET to be glorious but shallow, but I'm not sure if I've actually seen your description of MET before. How would you say that they are similar? I really don't have enough MiPT that I'm willing to deviate from my planned couple of oral doses I'll get out of it, but if I did have a lot to work with I'd definitely at least try smoking it. As I said before, I do consider it to be similar to my other "white light" psychedelics like DiPT and 4-HO-DPT, so I do wonder if it would be good for one of those hard-hitting hedonism trips as well, to the background of smoked DMT-like visuals! Though, I suppose I may have to answer this myself since it seems like most people don't find it to be as powerful as I did.

Also it's okay, I know you just want to make sure everyone gets the most out of their psychedelics.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I was probably too hasty in dismissing MET as 'shallow'. I cracked open the 1/4g I had during summer 2013, the most psychedelic summer of my life. Me and my buddy Kyle were literally tripping every weekend and so when you combine tolerance with endless recreational use of a variety of psychedelics....it was easy to dismiss MET as shallow.

I never got the chance to take a proper dose of it via IM injection, or orally. I suspect it would have been far better if I got a chance to IM a fat dose sitting in the mountains of Colorado...instead of casually using it for shits and giggles like I was.

(smoked) MET was actually more like (smoked) DPT than anything else...except whereas smoked DPT is strongly body oriented and electric, and lots of reds...smoked MET was a fluffy gentle cloud with blue light, lots of blue light. It was easily the most gentle and natural feeling synthetic psychedelic I've ever had...really it reminded me of DMT now that I think about it...except no elves or entities. I'm not sure why I compared it to (smoked) MiPT, perhaps just because both feel so easy and natural on the body.

MET is one of the few synthetic tryptamines I'd buy a lot more of if I had a source. Same with 5-MeO-MET.

MGS, I know that you said you found smoking MiPT similar to MET but less sensory and that you find MET to be glorious but shallow, but I'm not sure if I've actually seen your description of MET before. How would you say that they are similar? I really don't have enough MiPT that I'm willing to deviate from my planned couple of oral doses I'll get out of it, but if I did have a lot to work with I'd definitely at least try smoking it. As I said before, I do consider it to be similar to my other "white light" psychedelics like DiPT and 4-HO-DPT, so I do wonder if it would be good for one of those hard-hitting hedonism trips as well, to the background of smoked DMT-like visuals! Though, I suppose I may have to answer this myself since it seems like most people don't find it to be as powerful as I did.

Also it's okay, I know you just want to make sure everyone gets the most out of their psychedelics.

 

[Just A Guy]

I'm definitely looking forward to experimenting with any 4-subs -- and I think once the holidays are over I'm going to procure some 4-HO-MET.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Seems like the METs are winners all around!
I've never heard of a source for 5-MeO-MET, sounds rare as hens teeth.

 

[Kaleida]

I was probably too hasty in dismissing MET as 'shallow'. I cracked open the 1/4g I had during summer 2013, the most psychedelic summer of my life. Me and my buddy Kyle were literally tripping every weekend and so when you combine tolerance with endless recreational use of a variety of psychedelics....it was easy to dismiss MET as shallow.

I never got the chance to take a proper dose of it via IM injection, or orally. I suspect it would have been far better if I got a chance to IM a fat dose sitting in the mountains of Colorado...instead of casually using it for shits and giggles like I was.

(smoked) MET was actually more like (smoked) DPT than anything else...except whereas smoked DPT is strongly body oriented and electric, and lots of reds...smoked MET was a fluffy gentle cloud with blue light, lots of blue light. It was easily the most gentle and natural feeling synthetic psychedelic I've ever had...really it reminded me of DMT now that I think about it...except no elves or entities. I'm not sure why I compared it to (smoked) MiPT, perhaps just because both feel so easy and natural on the body.

MET is one of the few synthetic tryptamines I'd buy a lot more of if I had a source. Same with 5-MeO-MET.

Ah, I see. Well thanks for the clarification, and for the description. Not having tried DPT yet myself I can only try to imagine that comparison... but it gives me something to think about. The comparison to DMT I can of course grasp more easily. And I would have to agree at least that MiPT felt very easy and natural on my body, much more than most tryptamines I am used to.

It definitely sounds like something worth trying one day. I have interest in both that and 5-MeO-MET, though I have to admit that the 5-substituted tryptamines don't interest me nearly as much. Still, I am curious particularly about that and 5-MeO-MiPT, though with the former honestly when thinking about it I believe I may only be going on your word that I've read multiple times over the years of research lol. I recall feeling many times over that there is tragically little written about its effects online.

I'm definitely looking forward to experimenting with any 4-subs -- and I think once the holidays are over I'm going to procure some 4-HO-MET.

4-HO-MET is an excellent starter choice to an excellent selection of psychedelics. I'm looking forward to hearing what you think about it when you do. :D

Seems like the METs are winners all around!
I've never heard of a source for 5-MeO-MET, sounds rare as hens teeth.

It is currently out there, and that is all I will say about that.

 

[Kl519]

Gotcha, gotcha. What's next in line? And are you writing any reports about these experiences?

I'm not sure what manner of being cracked out you're referring specifically, but I can definitely support the sentiment that how you feel in terms of health and good rest has a major impact on how well you can handle psychedelics and how many side effects they have. The difference is very noticeable and hard to forget after you've gone back and forth between healthy trips and unhealthy trips a couple times, it made me appreciate set and setting a lot more than I already did.

Probably the DOPr and then the DOC the week after. Then I'll be focusing on some combinations toward the end of the month.

Oh ya, just 'cracked out' as in high on something, with hardly any sleep or food in me. It's funny how you got it completely right without knowing what the term meant, lol. Damn. But yeah, psychs have been good to me ever since I've taken an active approach to my health and quit stimulants too. 2C-P was pretty bad but had heavy effects on my first proper trip, and but this time it was about medium with almost no body load.

I'll probably write one for DOPr, and maybe for a combo I'm planning to do (esp the lsd/2c-b/miprocin one). That's probably it though.

Be well, everyone! I'll be taking a short break from here since I'll be busy until Sun. Might have to come back here depending on those emails though...<.<

 

[Kaleida]

Finally got the trip report up.

(DiPT/55 mg) - Second Time - Long Lost Novelty Restored

Kl519, I'm looking forward to it then! I'm still very excited to try DOPR one of these days so the more trip reports I can draw from first the better! A combination of LSD, 4-HO-MiPT, and 2C-B sounds absolutely fantastic too, and I am jealous that you have the option.

And that is very interesting, about the cracked outness and the 2C-P. I'll definitely have to keep that in mind if I ever get the chance to try it myself.... I definitely don't want to have to be dealing with a bad body load for that long duration!

 

[Solipsis]

Thanks I will definitely take a look Kaleida

Only tried DiPT once, was not really enough to get the proper auditive effects but weirdly enough it produced a sense of derealization and feeling as if there were DMT entities all around me but without visuals... Other than that it felt pretty great, one of the best. 4-HO-DiPT is also wonderful feeling to me, so euphoric but rather uninteresting as an actual psychedelic. With K twas sweet though... Felt like a lava lamp

Also, I never got Salvia D to flower before but here it is :D

That one main-stalked plant is almost as tall as I am now, two other plants (one very bushy, the other forked) are also flowering about synchronously..

NSFW:

Also DO YOU DO TOAD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSj_fcACvTE

 

[Kaleida]

That is a beautiful plant! :D I'm so jealous. Congrats on getting it to flower, it's gorgeous.

I could see the derealization with DiPT, I think there's a lot more to it than it's often given credit for. Part of what makes it so interesting to me is the feeling that the psychedelic effects present are just as powerful as any other strong tryptamine and yet are so subtle than I'm not surprised that less experienced explorers fail to even notice them. To someone who is open to such experiences, and not terribly hardheaded, I think it would be more likely to make itself known even at lower doses.

Interestingly though, I got very little euphoria with it at either 30 mg or 50 mg, so little that I hesitate to even call it by that name. It was more just like a pleasant buzzing throughout my body, and the same has actually been true for me so far with 25 mg and 30 mg of 4-HO-DiPT as well. Aren't the individual differences fascinating? I am expecting that 4-HO-DiPT may become a little more euphoric for me when I push to a higher dose, but even at the point I've taken it to I would actually say that I find it to be very intriguing as a psychedelic too. Most of the visuals remind me quite a lot of crisp 4-HO-DET visions but with the end of the color spectrum and open to closed eye ratio of 4-HO-DPT, with a headspace that combines erotic, introspective, and dissociative qualities. It really feels like it will give me some of the most unique out-of-body experiences I've ever had if I push it far enough!

Incidentally, I also am actually somewhat suspicious now that 4-HO-DiPT will produce DiPT-like audio distortions for me at a higher dose. Thinking back on my experience on 30 mg, I actually did experience a mild tinnitus-like ringing at some points during the trip, but I brushed it off at the time. And I also on 25 mg experienced a few brief seconds of vocal pitch distortion while doing a balloon of nitrous oxide.... I simply assumed that it was the nitrous at the time, but I have done a lot of it since then and never had that effect reoccur. So, I wonder what 50 mg will do to me, with all of these things combined? Sounds like it could be intense!

 

[Chemical Wizard]

After 9 years of experimenting with shulgins creations, I feel like I really understand the idiom "less is more".
Especially with the rarer psychedelics. Your expectations and set and setting really do alter the experience more than anyone can ever describe.

And ones own personal and subjective relationship with a material, intention of using these materials PROFOUNDLY affect your experiences with them.

I used to enjoy pushing the envelope and taking full on +++ doses. Now I find myself aiming for +\++ and before I know it I'm in for way more than I bargained for.

These days I rarely take psychedelics. I enjoy alcohol weed cocaine and ketamine more...simply because that's what my peers indulge in more, and I like being present and part of my interactions, instead of soaring 100000 miles above on a cloud of discombobulated psychedelia and sensation.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

If anything, I can work myself up to a solid ++ with a few drinks, good company and good conversation

 

[SKL]

Agree with a lot of that. Booze is my DOC these days, to a problematic extent, and the only other drugs that really interest me are the so-called "hard" drugs (opiates, cocaine; to a lesser extent, speedy stuff) and perhaps ketamine (and if I were of a mind to try that, I'd probably try a novel dissociative, too.) I have a rather prolific experience with psychedelia, but it was more of a 4-5 year parenthesis than a lifetime pastime. Sure, as a kid, while getting a little more experienced with marijuana and such, I tried mushrooms and LSD, but then this was smack dab in the middle of the OxyContin™ (the real thing) boom and this rapidly became my main thing along with a veritable pharmacopoeia of pain meds, a little of this, a little of that, eventually, of course, heroin. Got some of the pre-Web Tryp 2CB/2CT7/5-MeO-DMT but it all sorts of scared me.

Meanwhile I was getting more into the lot scene (and the music of the Dead, although not other hippie shit), so loads more acid, some DMT and keta, but mostly acid and lots of it. Only then did I get really into hippie stuff, because, mainly anyway, it's good for business, and eventually I found my way into the then-contemporary net.drugs.scene and esoteric research chemicals, which became another sort of obsession for me, obtaining drugs and experiences and sharing them with other Internet personalities, etc. but I think this is a fire that eventually burns itself out. Eventually I was doing grips of drugs and getting really, really high but in the end it was just a Gordian knot of confusion, anxiety, and the occasion self-actualizing insight imagined out of whole cloth. So in other words, I either grew out of it or failed to hang up the proverbial telephone. So I figure that, despite the image I projected and, heck, even the fact that I was a mod for this forum a little bit, I am not really the sort of person for whom doing psychedelics is a lifetime thing.

On balance, I probably could've skipped it, and been a better-adjusted individual. Now I'm just a fat fuck with a bottle of Johnie Black, a pill planner full of antidepressants and mood stabilizers, an asthmatic cat, a bad back, a dangerous job (but one that I love), and not too much of a social life.

So it goes. I'm happier with myself than the above paragraph might sound

Love y'all anyway.

I still get a kick out of this community, though, and enjoy staying on as a color commentator and sharer of war stories and clinical perspectives.

 

[perpetualdawn]

I feel the same Chemical Wizard - not that I've ever really pushed doses hard, but over the years I find I tend to go even lower and lower doses in general, and I get more out of less. I think I've become more sensitized to psychedelics over the years, probably because my mind has learned what to look for, rather than a physical change in sensitivity to the chemicals. But maybe there are physical changes? Who knows.

I probably drink less too. Never really liked k or been into coke.

I sound boring haha.

I liked reading your psychedelic bio there SKL, entertaining

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Anyone in here know if etizolam is soluble in ethanol? Looking to make a solution without PG, and I can't find any info.

 

[Solipsis]

Definitely, done that yesterday as matter of fact... it's lab-grade nearly pure ethanol though, do you have that? Other concentration should also work, but the more water the lower the solubility. Still I have had no problems starting with an ethanol solution, then diluting that to twice the volume with vodka. My concentration was only 5 mg/ml today, and the time I just mentioned. But I have a very small 1 ml oral syringe to measure that so I don't see why you would want to go more concentrated. If only for a dropper maybe... but not recommended - evaporation is an issue, the more concentrated your solution is.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^Thanks. I have 190 proof grain alcohol that I want to use for it, planning to try and make the solution only 2-3mg/ml.