☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: Euphoric Rambles for Swirling Souls

[Xorkoth]

I find 2C-C to be very much like 2C-B, except more psychedelic. More intellectual, more fractal and less colorful in visuals (but similar persian-rug style thing going on), and edgier, but just by a bit. They're both warm and somewhat empathogenic to me. 2C-B is a little more comfortable but I find them both very comfortable, and they have about the same potency for me too.

 

[SKL]

weird contrast in our responses. I don't find 2cb to be very interesting and have taken up to 120mg, no ill effects, but still not the trip I was looking for, in fact not much of anything really except some nootropic and mildly visual effects, nothing like the Shulgins talks about it (at a dose an order of magnitude less); they (and some in our community) must have some biological difference from people like me who don't really get much from it

 

[swilow]

^
Do you still trip very often SKL?

2C-B is a great drug. You don't hear much about it these days though. I have about one-two doses left and don't know if I'll be able to get more. I'm going to save it, its a unique and special psychedelic.

I've got an unknown quantity of 2C-E stuck to a plastic baggie, it could be 30mg, it could be 150mg. A sick part of me is tempted to bath it in holy water and drink and see what happens, but 2C-E scares me in the way that a rampaging killer robot would scare me. Its a drug I find s visual as to render the world largely imcomprehensible. Every one has tribal tattoos, including furniture.

 

[Delsyd]

I love 2cb. It is my favorite of the 2c's. The most visual, most euphoric, not the trippiest but it makes up for that as an empathogen.
Alas I too only have a few doses left and am holding on to them till i get more. I haven't ventured to the dark net yet but I bet it's available there.

 

[SKL]

I haven't tripped in years. 2C-D was my favorite 2C though if you don't count the thio's.

 

[Xorkoth]

I love 2cb. It is my favorite of the 2c's. The most visual, most euphoric, not the trippiest but it makes up for that as an empathogen.
Alas I too only have a few doses left and am holding on to them till i get more. I haven't ventured to the dark net yet but I bet it's available there.

2C-E is way more visual than 2C-B. But comparing them is like comparing apples and M-16 fighter jets.

 

[perpetualdawn]

I've got an unknown quantity of 2C-E stuck to a plastic baggie, it could be 30mg, it could be 150mg. A sick part of me is tempted to bath it in holy water and drink and see what happens, but 2C-E scares me in the way that a rampaging killer robot would scare me. Its a drug I find s visual as to render the world largely imcomprehensible. Every one has tribal tattoos, including furniture.

I think the best thing to do is dissolve it all out in a measured quantity of water, and then take tiny amounts (and take notes) until you have a sense for how strong your solution is. I did this recently with some 2C-D and was surprised how much all that fine coating adds up to.

I'm with SKL on 2C-B being uninteresting, and really loving 2C-D. Haven't tried 2C-C yet, really curious how that will turn out. It might take years before I get around to that one though.

I think 2C-D occupies a very unique spot in the range of effects covered by the psychedelics, and for that reason I think it's one of the vital PDs!

 

[TheAppleCore]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I found 2C-C to be kind of unnerving. Its very mildness always had me stuck on the wrong side of the veil -- it was always like an eternal come-up, with no peak...

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Oh, I get a good peak out of it. 40-50mg orally is enough for strong visuals and a good mind trip IME.

 

[axnow]

I know there's a thread out there about naturally preferring tryptamines or phenethylamines... I wonder if anyone has identified a few markers that tend to point one way or the other?

I have a lot more experience with tryptamines and tolerate them really well (with the exception of my most recent uncomfortable 4-aco-dmt / 4-ho-met trip). I wish I had taken better notes ten years ago in my last wave of psych experimentation - I tried my first phen (2C-T-2 ?) and got a naaasty headache, anxiety, etc. etc. In the past year or so I have tried 2C-B-fly (5mg), 2C-E (up to 5mg insufflated so far), 2C-I (10mg max), and DOC (only 250ug) with pretty good success. I am also a lot healthier now, more exercise, less drinking... who knows, maybe my liver was in bad shape back then, and would that even play a factor...

On the other hand - many of us only have a few experience with a given substance yet we tend to attribute more of the experience to the substance whereas set/setting could be the primary factor. That is quite possibly my situation with phens.

SKL, I'm with you on not really liking the disassociation of being stoned. I'm one of those people who had a great time with cannabis until a single traumatic, paranoid experience (> 20 years ago) and now I have to be really careful about strain and dose or I get wicked paranoid. I think that's one reason I've been cautious about working up dose with phens, I can feel the horror creeping in.

Tomorrow I'm going to a standup comedy show, a real pro I've wanted to see for a while. Maybe a bit early for it but there should be some good election catharsis. I'm tempted to add 75ug of AL-LAD to the experience but don't want to be up all night... or maybe a little 2C-B-fly insufflated? Or it might just be me and the Tao tomorrow.

 

[Crashing]

Mixed 10mg 3c-e and 10mg 4-aco-dmt the other night. This combo is incredibly strong, had a good amount of unexpected visuals. I'm fairly tolerant to these substances in the first place but that didn't seem to affect the power of the two in combination. Never combined a phen and a tryp before, but if you're looking for intensity and visuals this might be the place to go.

 

[swilow]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I found 2C-C to be kind of unnerving. Its very mildness always had me stuck on the wrong side of the veil -- it was always like an eternal come-up, with no peak...

My girlfriend found something similar with 2C-D. She felt like it was basically only after-effects. I think its because she took it orally and its weak taken that way unless in higher doses. Snorted was very powerful and even shorter lived and you could redose pretty liberally. Hurt the old snout though

 

[SKL]

Before I ever heard of dabbing (I guess concentrates were pretty rare in the mid 90s) we used to do "hot knives." Wedge a knife in the coils of an electric range til it's blue-hot, press it to a nug, inhale vapor through a straw. Then we got real creative with a glass funnel packed with ice right on top of the stove. That was a crazy summer, I stole a liter of chloroform from a lab where I worked and we would huff it (NOTE DO NOT DO THIS, although I remember researching and it's more along the lines of ether and not as damaging as other inhalants?

yes, chloroform was used medicinally for a long time, if you don't overdose and don't use it regularly, you should be fine

I remember hot knives. but with "hockey puck" type hash.

I don't think dabbing existed until a few years ago and it just seems dumb, a good way to jack up your tolerance for possibly less desire able effects (like fentanyl for thc)

Yeah, I'm definitely not going to be doing any 1 gram dabs. I've seen a lot of attempts and possibly some successful runs on YouTube, but it's not my thing. I'd love to get into dabbing tiny pieces because I feel like the high must be cleaner. I think i want to save my very first dab for when I'm peaking on DMT and LSD. Make it something to remember. Not a gram, just a speck. I look forward to the day.

I definitely concur that overdose on cannabinoids is never fun. I've OD'd on synthetics a few times, crashed my car a couple of those times because of it. Cannabinoids are nothing to joke about really, I've OD'd on marijuana as well and it's never been fun.

talk about contradictory statements. if you successfully manage to peak on DMT while peaking on LSD, a task in itself, then hopefully, if you did it right, you'll be unable to add even more drugs to the equation (except, perhaps, for a friend giving you something i.m. or if you are catatonic or very compliant in such an extremely altered state, i.v., the only possible reason I could think for this though would be sedation; adding i.v./i.m. ketamine/dmt combination to lsd surely has potential, though; I've tried it)

adding any sort of cannabinoid at this point, and if you could handle the smoking apparatus right you're probably not peaking on dmt, regardless of tolerance or prior experience, is asking for disaster

My girlfriend found something similar with 2C-D. She felt like it was basically only after-effects. I think its because she took it orally and its weak taken that way unless in higher doses. Snorted was very powerful and even shorter lived and you could redose pretty liberally. Hurt the old snout though

2cd works better with amphetamines, or with another psychedelic, to augment it (2cd+amp is great though) or i.m. (be careful though, start at 1/4-1/3 dise)

 

[Delsyd]

I disagree with dabbing being dumb. If you're a fan of the cannabis high then it is quite lovely. Also it's really convenient to have a pen vape, similar to an e cig, loaded with wax/dabs/shatter that you can take little vape hits on through out the day. Vamping like this does not get you any more high than smoking so I don't really see raising tolerance.
Taking a dab the traditional way is essentially hot kniving but through a water pipe. This probably raises your tolerance a bit but the high is great. Very stoning, which I'm a fan of. And weed tolerance drops pretty quick so it's no problem alternating between dabs and weed. If it weren't so expensive and of it were more available I'd be doing it more often. For now it's a thing saved for special occasions.
Making your own is easy enough but kind of wasteful if you don't have a connect for cheap trim and end up using buds instead.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I picked up an 1/8th of wax last night, should last me a couple months to be honest. I have a vape pen like delsyd is talking about, I can use the tiniest scrap and get high like I smoked a bowl of fine herb. It does to many at first seem like fenta-thc, but really that's only if you're using a rig and you're not waiting for the highs to dissipate before using more, you know, generally just doing whatever you can to sky rocket your tolerance. I use my pen daily and I still get real high off a bowl of flowers. I used to be a nay-sayer about dabs myself, for a couple years; only dealers I knew had them, would charge 5 bucks a dab. Now that I have my own pen, I know how little you really need, and how much cheaper it is than a true flower habit. I try to go back and forth between flower and wax, to keep things mixed up.

Honestly, the less complex high of wax is much clearer and stoning feeling. It's closer in effect (in the stoning capacity) to opioids to me, which I really enjoy. Flower makes me sleepy, but wax makes me mellow.

Re: 2C-D
I have had an idiosyncratic reaction to 2C-D the last 5 times I've used it. I can't put my finger on it. Under 30mg it just feels like a massive comeup, then nothing. At 30mg I had an hour of intense psychedelia, followed by an intensely uncomfortable headache. No matter what, it seems to leave me with a headache. I have 2 grams of a new batch, perhaps I should try it. I like amps, and the idea of a psych combining well with them really appeals to me. We may work together yet 2C-D (Note: always dosed orally)

 

[Xorkoth]

I think the best thing to do is dissolve it all out in a measured quantity of water, and then take tiny amounts (and take notes) until you have a sense for how strong your solution is. I did this recently with some 2C-D and was surprised how much all that fine coating adds up to.

You could do this but what I would do is use some vodka or everclear, or actually you could use IPA too, and wash the bag with a minimal amount, make sure it all dissolves, and then let it evaporate in a flat glass pan, and scrape off the resulting powder, then you have it out of the bag and you can weigh it.

 

[SKL]

why do you say always orally? i.m. was quite good for me if you minded the dose

 

[Delsyd]

The thought of injecting psychedelics scares me, I can't imagine doing it. The come up would be uncomfortable quick. These days even with oral admin I prefer to space it out, taking little bits at a time to prolong the come up and ease in to the trip. The only exception I would make is for some lab grade DMT. I'd still be anxious to do it but the short duration and my familiarity with DMT makes it not as intimidating.
Shooting dissociatives on the other hand is my preferred ROA. In fact I've had to put that behind me, at least for the time being, because I was starting to get self conscious about possibly having track marks and someone at my job noticing. Ketamine was actually the first drug I ever IV'd. I've also really enjoyed taking MXE and 3 meo PCP IV'd. I love the dissociative rush, the only thing that compares is opiates.

 

[perpetualdawn]

You could do this but what I would do is use some vodka or everclear, or actually you could use IPA too, and wash the bag with a minimal amount, make sure it all dissolves, and then let it evaporate in a flat glass pan, and scrape off the resulting powder, then you have it out of the bag and you can weigh it.

Good call!

At 30mg I had an hour of intense psychedelia, followed by an intensely uncomfortable headache.

Often when I take a 2C-x (or 3-fpm) I sense the threat of a headache, but if I drink a lot of extra water (way more than I normally would) it subsides and doesn't become a problem. Maybe that would help for you too. Or an anti-inflam?

 

[Help?!?!]

IM'ing psychedelics is actually easier on me then orally dosing especially with things with long come up times. The come up is over 15-25 minutes or so and its actually more gradual then you think. You somewhat quickly rise to tripping over the times I stated but the real winner is that there's little to no annoying side effects. So really it's easy. The effects level out at around 30-45 minutes sometimes less with things that come up quickly. Very quick, easy, and painless. Always make sure to use proper and safe practices when IM'ing though!