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Anyway, I don't want to give off blatant junkie vibes, so let me explain the reasoning why I've got myself some O-PCE. I'm honestly not interested in its recreational effects at the moment, which are inferior to DMXE's. Holing on it had become horrible at the end, and the sleep deprivation has gotten me into general, unacceptable trouble before. I'm purely interested in the threshold or even sub-threshold dosages.

One reason it its effect on the tinnitus. There's some phase in its effect development where it kills the tones, and I wondered whether I could somehow shoot for that. Yesterday's experiment didn't yield promising results though.. even though its own crystalline noise profile provides some masking for the much more annoying kratom tone. (Edit: and it does kill the ear ache, the most physical and probably most primary factor in my whole tinnitus cascade mechanism, more effectively than Ginkgo Biloba.)

Second reason is mood. The kratom tone had been subtly killing it more than I'd like to admit. So bloody much effort to kill it a couple years ago, and now it's back. Infuriating. But so it occured to me that O-PCE could be suited for the Jamshyd/Foreigner protocol. The fact it lacks the balance of MXE doesn't matter at minute levels, nor that it lacks the ketamine psychedelia, for the same reason. It's more potent, and has a vastly longer duration, making it less of a hassle to keep up the threshold effect. Worth the investigation, I'd say.

Third is tolerance. I don't think that's worth investigating, but barring the ethics it can be mentioned as a scientific curiosity. I did read one paper on rat studies (before I concluded I probably shouldn't drum up too much interest in this) documenting how down-/upregulation of NMDA receptors is dose-dependent. Could it be that microdosing would actually lower tolerance towards recreational dosing? Actually I realize now I've got that backwards. If tolerance would indeed be reflected just in down/-upregulation of NMDA receptors, holing doses would make low doses more effective afterwards, which we know from experience it doesn't. But so that was my (faulty) thought process, it thought it would be of some interest to check tolerance for normal doses before and after a microdosing period.

But so that's my reasoning behind this move. I had to do something about the bloody kratom tone, and thought I'd do something else than the tedious keto. Reasons one and three are a bit shaky and I do feel like a bit of moron because of it now. But I do think reason two justifies the move. If it works then it counts as scientific progress.


Edit: Also, I had an inflamed back muscle or sumn from trying to up the exercise routine combined with the erhm.. creative ergonomics I have for living in a trash pile. O-PCE seems to have taken care of that. I mean it was already healing, but now it's unexpectedly completely gone. Hurray for that I guess.
 
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Very true!

Just to be clear, my prior post was in no way a comment on your post but a reflection from a slight morning (or rather, early noon) experience of mine :) A light-hearted verbalization of a message i often seem to get.

In more practical terms, i was reminded of the possibility to embody good vibes to the point of not craving any additional external "fun". Testament to the deep anti-addictive property of psychedelics.
 
ive never even tried kratrom

i have zero interest


you all do kratom because of opiates right? has anybody done kratom without that interest or prior issue with opiates?
 
I tried kratom maybe twice.
I can't get past the taste of it.
These guys drink it as a tea.

Coca tea however is incredible. Highly recommend getting some unadulterated coca tea.
 
ive never even tried kratrom

i have zero interest


you all do kratom because of opiates right? has anybody done kratom without that interest or prior issue with opiates?

I think I first saw it laying around in a Dutch smartshop (where they sell mostly dumb things, heh) and gave it a try just cuz. I wouldn't have had any in my possession now if it weren't for some free samples I got sent along.
 
ive never even tried kratrom

i have zero interest


you all do kratom because of opiates right? has anybody done kratom without that interest or prior issue with opiates?

Yes, kratom is my first and only opioid. I've made a slightly different safety evaluation for it, and i sustainably don't feel any need for stronger stuff in this category.
 
Kaleida I had mentioned taking time to organize some of the better posts by people. I had cut and pasted some of CT's Amanita knowledge (that he plasterd in the middle of the social thread. lol) and had planned on moving them to a dedicated place. My reason being that some of this stuff is too good to be stuck in a social thread. Someday when I get more time I would love to take the posts and start a thread where we can keep going at it and talking. Like a title called "Salvia thoughts" or "Amanita thoughts". Nice an organized. Like the Salvia thoughts you posted, it could take a while for some to click and see the message. :) But typing that out should not go to waste. You have some big ideas. Since I do not want you to stop maybe we should create a thread. Let's brainstorm on that.

I got lazy organizing. But in the next year I need to do that. I will run it by here first. The next thing I need to do is learn how to score up the NFL stats to help out with that on the sports board. :) I tried last year, all the data confused me. So yeah, two things I want to do this year here.

I would be happy to participate in such a thread. :) I was serious in saying that I feel like I probably got about the most that I'm expecting to get out of the observations I've been making for now, but I'm still open to finding more things to discuss about it. I just figure that now that I've hit the breakthrough point, the more I push up the dosage, the more complicated and less easy to decipher it's probably going to get. I've gone very deep into the analysis of drugs before and I used to let it take me deep into scientific theories and stuff too like linking to different research papers and stuff I found, but I try to minimize that kind of thinking these days and just focus on the experiences themselves because I don't want to muddy up the waters with uncertain ideas that get too into the relatively not understood inner workings of these things, and with salvia I'm particularly afraid of trying to put it in a box rather than just letting it develop and be what it will be, which I again expect may be increasingly hard to put my finger on exactly as I move further down into the rabbit hole. But, I'd gladly still share observations I have that seem valid enough to me if and when I have them. Let me know if you want to talk about making that thread some time, perhaps we should plan it out through PM or something. I'm not in a big rush to have my next salvia trip yet anyway but it probably won't be too long from now, but I do want to focus on that retrospective trip report first too I think because I do think this might be a good time to wrap that up and put my initial findings out there in one report like that.

I can't help you with the NFL stuff but I wish you luck with it, lol.

He's telling you to stfu already lol

I'm j/k

I dig all your videos :rockon:

I can't, I never have been able to lol. When I was a kid I had a friend who lived on my same street so he would come over and hang out all the time and I was always talking his ear off to the point that he started actively warning others about me. I don't know when or where I picked it up (far too young and long ago) but I had a thing where whenever someone asked me how long it was going to take for me to finish what I had to say, I would respond, "About five minutes." I remember that eventually this friend, when he was around to hear me say it to others, would start yelling, "IT'S A LIE, DON'T BELIEVE IT!"

I'm glad you enjoy my links. 🎶 I still try to pick what's most relevant always.

Yes that episode.. my memory is such a mess, it's somehow more.. layered.. than other people's. I mean I have no clear picture of my life. My early childhood I've got timelined out more or less now, oh how I obsessed over it because it made no damn sense for the longest of times.. but vast chunks of young adulthood just aren't really there anymore. The period of trying to reconstruct traumatic memory is in itself a bit of a traumatic memory. Layers. Like the globe itself.

But I must admit I'm kinda scapegoating @Kaleida for me having a pause in reports of life and usage. In actual fact the subtle kratom tinnitus has been driven me quite mad, and I decided to prod at it with O-PCE. That might sound like insanity, and it might be. I've written up the train of thought that led to it, but it's just more of the tinnitus this tinnitus that, even I am sick of talking about it and I just didn't feel there was any point to posting those thoughts.

I'll elaborate about the various experiments I want to do with it (yes, method to the madness.. got it typed out but I've been up for 36 hours) at another time. For now now I just want to remark that it's as if the CEVs have gained in fidelity over the years. It's quite remarkable.

I can relate to that. Things that happened to me in school while growing up still often seem like they could have happened yesterday and that I could never possibly forget what happened with them whereas when people bring up things that happened involving me in the past several years, I'm often like, "Wait, I did what?" I don't think it helps that things are more memorable when things are happening that seem new and different, and when you're young everything's new and you're constantly being put through different new tasks that you've never had to deal with before, and then when you're an adult you kind of just start finding totally not new routines to settle into instead, not entirely of course but obviously somewhat for everyone at least compared to childhood.

Also, you know, my adulthood involved (involves) lots of drugs and my childhood didn't, but that may not be exactly the same for everyone....

Everything (just about) in my life is a drug science experiment on myself. I'm pretty sure only you can determine if something is helping your tinnitus or not. It doesn't sound like insanity to me, it sounds like medicine. If this is insanity then I should probably be thrown in an asylum already by now.

ive never even tried kratrom

i have zero interest


you all do kratom because of opiates right? has anybody done kratom without that interest or prior issue with opiates?

Me. I use kratom because it's the only mu-opioid receptor agonist I have most of the time, and it's also the only one I really want to use since it lacks the respiratory depression and lethality issues. It doesn't get me as high as the pharmaceutical opioids I've tried, although sometimes I think it's a better high. It gives me more of a warm blanket feeling than other opioids do even when significantly lacking much of a rush or anything. Its pharmacology is actually complex, with the primary alkaloid mitragynine binding not only to opioid receptors in relatively atypical ways but also to several monoamine receptors that seem likely relevant to its effects as well.

These days I don't really use it anymore though but I would probably still go get it if I felt I needed a painkiller for some genuinely legitimate reason. Or if I had very severe diarrhea issues, as it does very effectively plug me up like other opioids.
 
Just went to exchange the final pile of empty bottles with some vodka. Got all the ingredients needed now for the F&B cannabis plugging formula. I must have done the math wrong surely, no way there can be three orders of magnitude difference in potency between oral and rectal CBD, but hey I get to test it. Gone a bit liberal on the O-PCE to have a target to shoot down so to speak, and accidentally deleted my chess openings repertoire afterwards, not remembering that it was tied in to the account I closed off while rebranding for public exposure purposes. First O-PCE damage again lol. For you non-chessies, that's basically your treasure chest of secret preparation. I'm an idiot.

But having to start from scratch gave me the idea I could get you guys involved with it. Still doing test runs, I have to not hate the sound of my own voice first, but I'm getting there. That's wacky enough of a challenge innit, trying to get y'all hippies to discover the colours in the black 'n white 8x8 matrix? Like, uni has only stuff I already know for me for the rest of the year, apart from communication skills. They're basically telling me to get swirly and grab a mike. I'm open to other ideas, but how about this one? 🤓:trippy2:
 
Just went to exchange the final pile of empty bottles with some vodka. Got all the ingredients needed now for the F&B cannabis plugging formula. I must have done the math wrong surely, no way there can be three orders of magnitude difference in potency between oral and rectal CBD, but hey I get to test it. Gone a bit liberal on the O-PCE to have a target to shoot down so to speak, and accidentally deleted my chess openings repertoire afterwards, not remembering that it was tied in to the account I closed off while rebranding for public exposure purposes. First O-PCE damage again lol. For you non-chessies, that's basically your treasure chest of secret preparation. I'm an idiot.

But having to start from scratch gave me the idea I could get you guys involved with it. Still doing test runs, I have to not hate the sound of my own voice first, but I'm getting there. That's wacky enough of a challenge innit, trying to get y'all hippies to discover the colours in the black 'n white 8x8 matrix? Like, uni has only stuff I already know for me for the rest of the year, apart from communication skills. They're basically telling me to get swirly and grab a mike. I'm open to other ideas, but how about this one? 🤓:trippy2:
Remember Chris:

There are only two kinds of people in this world. Those who have been burned by not having backed up their data and those who are waiting to get burned because they didn't back their data. 👍

You are in good company :cool:
 
I wanted to record the F&B cannabis plugging ritual with my cheap China phone, but the cam refuses to take any more pictures.
LOL Darn, if you can video the procedure and post it. I have your instructions on plugging CT. Even the practice suggestion. The big motivator is using less amounts of a substance. But a video tutorial would be ideal. As long as it is not X rated (ass usually isn't lol) But I do know rectal administration has been a staple in modern medicine for years.
 
Okay that came out wrong haha! I meant taking a picture of the milk, vodka, CBD oil, and my little cauldron.

(I did in fact make a degenerate graphic plugging tutorial once in the very early days on another website though, cuz MXE, ha! Photoshopped my head with the head of a guinea pig.)

The CBD formula hits blissfully by the way. F&B is a genius.
 
Okay so weird stuff happens when you plug a normal dissociative after having plugged the F&B elixir.

Chemists, please explain... some sort of reaction takes place down there, why does it fizzle?
 
I wasn't prepared to be a fermentation vat!

But the formula might need better emulsifiers, I doubled the dose and and am not convinced.

Do I need to stir more or something? Pretty freakin' tripp(in)²sane to be preparing a whole meal for the other end!!
 
Most likely the vodka reacting with something producing CO2

The ethanol gets absorbed. But the lactose and the bacteria do their thing.. also cranberry tea.


Edit: sorry tripping and answering my own question like a buffoon.. and fermentation is too slow a process for like sudden bubble activity...


Edit2: Whelp, no idea of the timeline of yesterday (yester-double-day.. jester-double-day..). I caught someone's live online DJ act, and dosed based on the vibe, even had a toke on the peak entering psychosis territory. Not according to plan and a red flag, but I'm feeling fine right now, inspired in various directions, and the tinnitus is way down.

I guess I'm doing it right, but this can easily go wrong. Trying to keep things as boring as possible at the moment.
 
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All this salvia talk has me reminded of my only salvia breakthrough. You guys have mentioned a "wheel" that often travels around the tripper, and a "wait your turn" feeling.
I had both on my unexpected breakthrough. The "wheel" that I was on was slamming into different dimensions or realities. I would envision myself in the shower of my childhood home for a few seconds and then SLAM, it felt kinda like slamming through the wall into another reality, and I would envision myself somewhere else.
In another portion of the trip, there was a circular ritual going on with all of my loved ones. I had to wait until "it" got to me, and then perform a specific diving type of dance move if I wanted to get back to the reality I knew from normal life. I came to, trying to gently dive into my coffee table.
Prior to that, I didn't believe in the salvia breakthrough. I had tried a few times in my youth and only got mildly entertaining effects.

I haven't tripped in...about 20 months. But I do have some music to share with you guys. While this isn't my favorite band, nor does it contain my favorite song of all time, I think it's my favorite album.

It's a "concept album," telling a story about a woman who escapes from The City - a sprawling, futuristic megalopolis where "the air's too thick to breathe" and people trade "meager sleep to spend time in tall buildings, in front of scrolling numbers on computer screens." Sounds familiar.

If you have an extra 46 minutes, I challenge you to listen to the whole thing, but if you only have the attention span for one or two songs, I'd start with Track 7 or 8. At this point, the protagonist has been traveling through The seemingly endless City, even traversing through sewers, wondering what's beyond The City's edge. Finally she reaches Nature, something she has never seen before. The air is so clean, she sees animals she didn't know existed and she couldn't even name. The album seems to come full circle, but the ending is unclear to me. It sounds like she might get found or captured by authorities and eventually returned to The City. Not necessarily a happy ending. What do you think happens to her? Do you think we are bound to a similar fate?
 
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