☮ Social ☮ PD Social Thread: Trans-dimensional Hyperspace Cocktail Bar - Fractals Apply Within

[Xorkoth]

I'm going to be at home and A fellow PDer is sitting for me.

Yeah I was only on kratom from 2003 to 2010. Long-term kratom addiction is fucking brutal man. The withdrawals are different, the body pain and flu-like feeling is much less than with true opiates but the restless legs/arms are MUCH worse, and the anxiety and depression are unreal.

If you do order any, I recommend getting a gram of the TA (total alkaloid extract) as well. Others I know who have done it say the full alkaloid spectrum makes a huge difference, as if the HCl alone is an incomplete experience.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Xor, it's obviously a sign. Don't set yourself up for failure but if you can do a little hard work now, iboga promises to do a LOT of work for you in return. That is how it works, I know I've done it twice... when I did the hard work and went sober for a month prior, I came out of iboga higher than when I went in...and it kept building for months and set me off for success. And when the shit hit the fan in Jan this year, and I gave up the gains, went back for that month, and then used iboga to 'fix my mistakes', expecting the iboga to do the tough job, it kicked my ass and brought me through hell and back, and I required a lot of work from others praying, healing, and visiting and loving me to get to where I am today.

Do some hard work in advance and you will be rewarded.

 

[Xorkoth]

I am definitely not doing any more poppy tea (ever!)... I have some kratom which I will use as needed, and if I don't need it, great. It makes me feel calmer though to know it's there. I'd maybe try some low-dose MXE as needed but I know iboga works partly through NMDA antagonism so it seems like it would be best to not go there to avoid any tolerance. I will of course have opiate tolerance still so best not to have tolerance in 2 areas.

And even if I do use a bit of kratom over the next couple of days, nothing at all the day of... except I was going to get high a couple of hours before, to chill out, have a nice time before taking it... I think you told me that was what you did both times, right?

 

[Bill]

^I disagree: mind over matter makes a lot of sense!

Nice avatar
If it's the symbol from Can's Future Days album

Re 2cb, I had a chance to try it years ago
My friend and cousin had 27 mg a piece and my cousin had an absolutely fantastic time while my friend was seriously freaking out thinking he was going to die

After that I decided not to take my dose
Kinda regretted especially after hearing about how it's like the greatest 2cx

 

[Xorkoth]

It's definitely the most recreational 2C-X, I wouldn't say it's my favorite but it's good stuff.

 

[Folley]

2C-B is an absolute gem. I only have maybe 40mg left, if I'm lucky.... 2C-I really can't hold a candle to it, other phenethylamines are pretty whack in comparison IMO.



LSD + 2C-B is one of the most visual experiences you can have IMO, as far as classic psychedelics go at least.

 

[Bill]

Was 27mg too big of a dose for someone
He was experienced with drugs but not in a preferable setting

We were in Florida visiting my cousin, so maybe that's why my cousin had no problems and friend freaked the fuck out for a long time
I seriously almost took him to the hospital and he said it took forever to come up and was about to eat another 27mg, I was like you better wait a bit longer this is something super new, if he had over 50mg I most def would have been making a trip to the er

 

[Folley]

27mg is a LOT. That's for sure... I'd say a good first dose is like 18-20mg. The dose-response curve is very sharp though, after 20mg the effects get exponentially stronger

 

[xammy]

I heard taking 2C-B like 3-4 hours after MDMA is fabulous.. will give it a try next time I drop MDMA

 

[Bill]

I think Laika described 2cb to be pretty comparable with candy flipping
Feels like an awesome roll at times and frying tits simultaneously

Who wouldn't want the best of both worlds in one drug

 

[Roger&Me]

i never got any of the deep, deep psychedelia from 2c-b that i get from lsd/candyflipping

it provides a lot of eye candy, but it doesn't radically shift your perspective like lsd does ime

 

[Bill]

But it also has a body high some what like mdma though right?
I never expected it to be as enlightening as a good shroom/lsd dose can some times provide

Also I always heard 2ci is one of the phriendliest

 

[abracadabra girl]

Love, love, love 2ci. Sadly I had to flush my 2cb before I got to try it.

 

[Folley]

2C-I offered nothing special, IMO... honestly it's pretty much lacking everything that makes 2C-B good.



and yeah, 2C-B has very intense visuals but not much in the way of a mindset change. 2C-I is much more psychedelic mentally, but less visual and the body aspect of the trip is no where near as enjoyable. I've tried 2C-B after MDMA a few times, it's alright. I prefer to take it the same time as the MDMA in most cases, but you can use it as a redose and extend your roll by a few hours.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

And even if I do use a bit of kratom over the next couple of days, nothing at all the day of... except I was going to get high a couple of hours before, to chill out, have a nice time before taking it... I think you told me that was what you did both times, right?

First time no, second time I took kratom in the morning as I had an appt to make and then waited until I was starting to get sick to take the ibogaine.

And be careful still my friend. After Iboga #1 I said I was never doing opiates again and meant it for an entire year. Things change, stuff happens, and I highly recommend you plan your sobriety post iboga with that in mind....my biggest mistake after my first session was believing I was truly *cured* where as the reality was, I was in completely different circumstances than the ones that influenced me to go junkie in the first place...and never really learned how to 'stay' sober when it all goes to shit....so when it did....I did what I have only known since age 14...opiates will fix this.

I see now that no matter how much I vow and want to be clean today...and mean it...it is still day by day....what ibogaine offers is a 'level playing field' again. In fact, in my first report that was all I said I wanted, a 'level playing field' but got so much more. Second time around, it took a while but it did get me level again, and now I am learning how to live with this and to live with this as non junkies do.

 

[Bill]

^ So can I get a recap just cuz curious

How many days has it been since you jumped off opioids?
How many days after that till you waited to start the ibo treatment
How much better do you feel, any where close to 80 to 90 percent yet?
How long does paws usually last for in your experience after your first time

 

[SONN]

my first dose of 2cb was 27mg, and it was quite underwhelming, in fact I didn't have an overwhelming experience with it until I combined 35mg of it with 75mg of bk-mdma and that still was very manageable just a lot more psychedelic than any dose I'd had before. I'd say it was like my 8th time taking it. I've probably taken it almost 20 times by now. I haven't taken it in almost a year, last time I did it was a random line on a summer night during a coke/nitrous binge and it felt like my heart didn't like it. Since then most of my experiments have been with LSD or MDMA or Mushrooms. I forget if I plugged 17 or 20mg when I plugged it but my god that was one of the more visual experiences of my whole life. My favorite experience with it will always be when I went into a trance during my favorite song at a concert and saw a lion with a mane of blue fire staring me in the face with kaleidoscopic eyes. I should really post a proper report for that one haha.

I really wish I had 2c-c I actually liked it better the one time I took 64mg in a cap with some nasal doses of MXE. I would probably take a capsule of 100mg of it if someone handed it to me at the right moment

this is me every time I look at the 2c-c thread

 

[Morninggloryseed]

^ So can I get a recap just cuz curious

How many days has it been since you jumped off opioids?
How many days after that till you waited to start the ibo treatment
How much better do you feel, any where close to 80 to 90 percent yet?
How long does paws usually last for in your experience after your first time

A month ago Monday..which was when I had the ibogaine.

I had my last dose the day of Ibogaine 2014. For ibogaine 2013, I had no opiates for a month prior to Ibogaine.

Ibogaine 2013, no PAWS, felt 100% in a few days, 150% in a few weeks, and 200% for a couple months before I hit baseline again.

Ibogaine 2014, it really did not seem to work very well at first and I required booster dosages, and some visits from friends and lovers till I got baseline...sometime last week...nearly 3 weeks post ibogaine.

 

[SONN]

so, I ended my tolerance break. I took 18mg 2c-b orally, then an hour and 15 mins later I took 125mg MDMA (pure MDMA that was made less than 12 hours before ) then probably like 35 or 45 minutes after that I snorted anywhere from like 10-25mg 2c-b more and it all hit me like a bag of bricks. I threw up a tiny bit then was floored for like an hour. I was seeing a live performance I've been waiting since the mid summer to see and I fucking relished it it was AMAZING. seriously if I had footage of that show I would wake up and watch it every morning to get me out of bed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwiLJS175Q

^^Best part of my trip, that song came on, I fell into a trance where I saw very south american indian looking patterns covering my whole vision in a neon blue and green electric haze.

Then I started dancing and the lights on the stage turned into two kaleidoscopic eyes each spinning opposite directions clockwise/counterclockwise. I stared into the eyes and they turned into the eyes of a lion with a mane of blue and white flames and pulsating to the beat of the music. as I would get more and more into the music my skin would ignite with blue and white flame. Incredible, I couldn't have asked for more.

I went to get a water after I regained most of my ego and the whole ground was patterns amazing show, amazing trip, hardest roll of my life by far and I still haven't been hit too heavily by a comedown. Honey Flip

that's my post from a year ago from when I had that experience

has anyone else had a trance like experience on 2c-x where you're seemingly staring into the eyes of something. It's happened to me multiple times on 2c-x compounds

On 2c-e I was staring into the eyes of a white feathered serpent dragon, On 2c-b it was the motherfucking neon blue lion of judah.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hey PD, it's so great how my withdrawal is so minor. I am convinced my body knows there is a light at the end of the tunnel on Saturday.

27mg is a LOT. That's for sure... I'd say a good first dose is like 18-20mg. The dose-response curve is very sharp though, after 20mg the effects get exponentially stronger

For some people 27mg is a pretty weak dose... the first time I ever took 2C-B I took 25mg, and I hadn't taken many psychedelics yet, and it was quite weak (though nice).