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Then I would try the internet. And yeah it's because I wouldn't want it in my records at all.
 
Laika has the right idea...micro dosing for the minimum amount of time. If the Internet is your doctor, getting the .3mg temegesic tablets isn't too difficult, and the doses more appropriate. It is crazily powerful stuff...the 8mg strips are more useful for their blockade effect rather than "working better". For me, above 2mg had diminishing returns, due to the partial agonism going on. the kappa antagonism makes it a fabulous antidepressant....for awhile! Then I became a cold grey slate...

Poppy tea is a nasty one to kick...I'd rather kick a straight opioid really. That soup of active alkaloids makes the withdrawal nasty and drawn out. I feel for you, having been there innumerable times!

You really sound like a perfect candidate for Iboga. I was a little stunned at the zeal of MGS a year ago (;)) but having just been there and for the first time in many years not craving an opioid and feeling like my pre opiated self, well, I can't speak highly enough Bout the stuff! Plus you get one of the best psychedelic experiences around! Win/win!
 
Xorkoth said:
Hey, do you also know... if we got married in Illinois (marriage license was from IL), will NC law apply? Or will IL law?
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You have been living in the state for over 6 months, so NC law applies.

As for property division, " Before, during or after marriage the parties may by written agreement, duly executed and acknowledged in accordance with the provisions of G.S. 52-10 and 52-10.1, or by a written agreement valid in the jurisdiction where executed, provide for distribution of the marital property or divisible property, or both, in a manner deemed by the parties to be equitable and the agreement shall be binding on the parties." 1
 
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Then I would try the internet. And yeah it's because I wouldn't want it in my records at all.
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as sad as it is to say, i agree with this. unfortunately, having "addict" in your medical records can be extremely detrimental to the quality of care you receive in the future.
 
Yeah I have withdrawn from poppy seed tea cold turkey before when I was doing it EVERY day... it was horrendous, the acute physical stuff lasted 2 weeks and then I felt shaky for like 3 more... it was intense. Now I am doing them every 3 or 4 days, though I have been using a lot of loperamide also. I had some today, my plan is nothing tomorrow, then if it gets bad (which it almost surely will) on the second day I'll take loperamide, then hopefully wait another day, poppy tea... start an every other day, alternating substances so that each individual substancve (and most importantly the poppy tea) is only every 4 days. Then taper to every 3rd day, then every 4th, and hopefully that would be light enough to stop with little problem.
 
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it happened to me, and it happened to so many others. the opiate headspace has an almost psychedelic edge to it anyway, and couple that with the fact that it soothes all the existential maladies that can be uncovered through tripping, it really is a huge risk.
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I actively avoid opiates because I have suspected this. I even refuse them if a doctor offers them for outpatient treatment for broken bones and other similar situations. I have never gotten a taste of the effect you mention and chose to keep my understanding of this strictly pharmacological.
I am glad you quit. Your strength is worthy of admiration.

Xorkoth anf MGS I know you all are strong enough people to quit, you both will only realize you were strong enough once you do.

A restatement warning to all disbelievers about addiction. "IF YOU ABUSE DRUGS YOU WILL BECOME AN ADDICT AND REMAIN AN ADDICT FOREVER. ADDICTION WILL PERMANENTLY DESTROY YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DRUG YOU ABUSE. I didn't believe this until my own mistakes with AM-2201 more than half a decade ago. I smoked blends with jwh-018 without issue and when jwh x was banned switched to AM-2201 thinking it would be the same. By the time I quit I was smoking straight powder every 15-30 minutes during the day. I had to wake up in the middle of the night multiple times and smoke to hold off withdrawals every night. When I flushed my stash withdrawals were terrible. I collapsed on the ground in the fetal position shaking and crying for multiple days. I would spend hours attempting to pick ash out of the carpet and trash to smoke in vain. Things have improved and I nearly never think of AM-2201 any more, but when I get real depressed one thought always creeps into my mind even years later, AM-2201. About three years ago I had been clean about three years and was in a head shop and bought a strong blend with AM-2201. I thought I would smoke a hit once every few days until the bag ran out. I took 1 puff and don't remember what happened except I didn't sleep over 24 hours. I came to about a day and a half later half naked, unbathed, and unshaven with an empty bag of incense. One puff and I completely reverted to the worst I had ever been. I have been told opiate addiction is worse. It's been six years since I quit and just writing this still triggers the old craving.

The more people are warned about these thing the better. I hope younger people hear these stories so much that whenever they think about abusing particularly addictive drugs the image of a naked grown adult shaking on the ground in a motel room, crying, and repeatedly picking lint out of the carpet to smoke in vain flashes through their mind. IF YOU FREQUENTLY USE THE ADDICTIVE DRUGS (BENZOS, STIMULANTS, OPIATES, ECT.) YOU WILL BECOME AN ADDICT.
 
those full agonist cannabinoids can be seriously, seriously addictive.

tbph i get noticeable withdrawals just from pot, which is a partial agonist. i can't imagine how bad that am-2201 w/d must have been, man.

good on you for quitting though
 
Thanks for that post. And you're totally right that once you are an addict, you will go back to just as bad as you've ever been if you start again even years later. It's crazy, it seems like it wouldn't be that way but it is. I quit for a year and decided one day I could use kratom recreationally and after the first time I had withdrawals again and it quickly became that old familiar cycle... which I haven't broken again to this day (I did quit for a week twice and 2 weeks once but that hardly means you're out of the cycle). Addiction is terrifying to live. And it's incredibly sneaky, you can never see it coming until it happens to you.

Also, I've never even heard of AM-2201, I didn't realize cannabinoids could be physically addictive like that. That's intense.
 
Xorkoth said:
I didn't realize cannabinoids could be physically addictive like that
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from what i understand, full agonist cannabinoids can have a worse w/d than opiates

actually, in many ways the endocannabinoid system and the opiate/endorphin system are like two locks on the same door. they both interact with each other allosterically. withdrawal from the full agonist cannabinoids mimics a lot of the symptoms of opiate withdrawal.

cannabis actually can too, but since its a partial agonist, you have to consume way more than is typical to get withdrawals. people who smoke a reasonable amount of pot usually will never get them.
 
Synth cannabinoids are the devil. I swear they are just as addictive as crack(which I have smoked exclusevly) and they are no good. So addictive that I've become addiced to synths to the point where I have hoarded mysel in my bedroom for days without I interacting with outside sources for weeks at at a time. Synth 'noids are so cheap that it's hard to avoid them once you have a good source.
 
Xorkoth said:
Thanks for that post. And you're totally right that once you are an addict, you will go back to just as bad as you've ever been if you start again even years later. It's crazy, it seems like it wouldn't be that way but it is. I quit for a year and decided one day I could use kratom recreationally and after the first time I had withdrawals again and it quickly became that old familiar cycle... which I haven't broken again to this day (I did quit for a week twice and 2 weeks once but that hardly means you're out of the cycle). Addiction is terrifying to live. And it's incredibly sneaky, you can never see it coming until it happens to you.

Also, I've never even heard of AM-2201, I didn't realize cannabinoids could be physically addictive like that. That's intense.
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As you said its crazy. If you can quit two weeks in a row you resolve the majority of physical opiate dependence. Addiction often covers other troubles and even once the opiate piece is over it can creep out from inside you. I have learned the weaker troubling things are longer lived but don't stick to me as much as the stronger and shorter ones. The stronger, shorter, troubles that stick with you for years are hell.

AM-2201 Is a full agonist with a short duration and quick onset. Drugs with those characteristics are very reinforcing psychologically. I should have know I would have an issue. The incense (prior to when I switched to the powder) was called Diablo and had the remnants of a fleshless daemon covered in flames as the logo branded in red. I wonder if dabs will prove as addictive?

I remember my addiction to AM-2201 did have one positive consequence. I learned to cope with extreme discomfort and psychological weakness. Reaching my adult life required surviving much worse experiences than my AM-2201 addiction.
 
lol i misread that at first and thought you said you were going to see a sequel on 300mg of DOC. i was liek "nooooooo don't do that br0" :D
 
lol holy shit you did 100mg of 2c-e?

i took 20mg once and long story short i fell into another dimension and part of me may still actually be there
 
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