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[xammy]

I would see even daily marijuana smoking being a problem for me.. the longest binge ever has been like 2 weeks. Then i got bored cuz of tolerance and all

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

For xorkoth: I've been doing some reading, consider it a preliminary legal consultation:

NSFW:

not wanting to involve lawyers or courts, just agreeing to take the stuff that is our individual stuff

I assume you mean not suing for divorce, as without the courts divorce is literally impossible. If you want a no-fault divorce (i.e. voluntary, mutually agreed upon), you need to be separated for a period of one year first.¹ You do not need to involve the legal system for separation, just remember the day, however, there are advantages to formally filing for separation.²

It is possible to divorce after your period of separation without the use of an attorney, but the only advantage to this is lower financial cost, which is offset by the time and effort someone without knowledge of the legal system will have to go through to get it done.⁴ Whether or not you decide to go for an attorney, you should seriously consider mediation.⁵

Get a third party involved for your own protection, it's quite clear from your posts that she is the dominant partner, emotionally volatile, and impulsive. So if proceedings take a nasty turn, you're going to get the worst of it; that whole hiding your drug addiction from your spouse thing wouldn't help your case either.

As you get older hiding stuff from your parents doesn't matter as much anymore and for me, the idea of lying becomes less appealing for ethical reasons as well.

Thus far it has been the opposite in my case, honestly expressing my feelings and life circumstances is just providing'em with ammunition to use against me.

I think i should feel pretty proud of myself for not having gone on that road

Yet. Well, I guess it depends on what you use, or are willing to try.

 

[xammy]

I have tried oxycodone and buprenorphine. Honestly, they dont seem too appealing. I think if you already feel bad or are depressed they feel 100x better. Maybe u just have to use them for some time to really get into love. I can see them being tricky when there was no hangover whatsover.

Speed or meth.. well, i like too much food and sleeping.

These 2 genres of drugs plus alcohol seem to like made for escapism, trying to escape the reality which can feel extremely shitty at times. Psychedelics then, i wouldnt take them when already feeling bad

 

[Roger&Me]

Did you get addicted in later life then? Ive been under the impression that it shows in pretty early stage in drug use in general. I think i have got past the most dangerous phase.. there was some kind of honeymoon when all drugs seemed so interesting that they were all i got think about.

I can see myself getting fucked by drugs if encountered with some severe life crisis tho. Theyre so easy way to escape from all the shit. The most important thing is prolly that i avoid opiates and stimulants. And then, there is very limited supply for me.

addiction can happen to anyone at any age. all it takes is doing the wrong types of drugs too often.

i've seen it time and time again that somebody will say they're "not prone to addiction" and then go on to develop one. i've seen it happen in this very thread.

i'm just saying stay vigilant, don't think it somehow can't happen to you, because it can. if you remain cognizant of that fact then you can more easily avoid the pitfalls of addiction and/or dependence.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Speed or meth.. well, i like too much food and sleeping.

I couldn't stand using meth more than once or twice a month when I dabbled in 2011. Ran into it again later on, was using chronically within 2 weeks.

Maybe u just have to use them for some time to really get into love.

Pretty much.

i'm just saying stay vigilant, don't think it somehow can't happen to you, because it can. if you remain cognizant of that fact then you can more easily avoid the pitfalls of addiction and/or dependence.

Unless you're as self-destructive as some of us. Then you can see it happening and not care, or use more to stop caring.

 

[Roger&Me]

For xorkoth: I've been doing some reading, consider it a preliminary legal consultation:

NSFW:

I assume you mean not suing for divorce, as without the courts divorce is literally impossible. If you want a no-fault divorce (i.e. voluntary, mutually agreed upon), you need to be separated for a period of one year first.¹ You do not need to involve the legal system for separation, just remember the day, however, there are advantages to formally filing for separation.²

It is possible to divorce after your period of separation without the use of an attorney, but the only advantage to this is lower financial cost, which is offset by the time and effort someone without knowledge of the legal system will have to go through to get it done.⁴ Whether or not you decide to go for an attorney, you should seriously consider mediation.⁵

Get a third party involved for your own protection, it's quite clear from your posts that she is the dominant partner, emotionally volatile, and impulsive. So if proceedings take a nasty turn, you're going to get the worst of it; that whole hiding your drug addiction from your spouse thing wouldn't help your case either.

nice poast, man. i would say that's about $400 worth of legal advice right there :D

 

[xammy]

Also benzos, they dont do anything for me. When the effects are gone, i just feel i have had this fog on me. I dont feel good or bad under the influence. Again, i think if you have anxiety etc they could feel great. I have taken them for alcohol hangover once or twice and for that they worked like a charm. Excellent medicine.

 

[Roger&Me]

just out of general curiosity, how old are you xammy?

 

[Xorkoth]

Never Knows Best: Thanks for the info. What kind of world do we live in where 2 people can't just decide they want to get divorced and not get lawyers involved who are trying to suck money from you and make you try to screw each other over? The divorce industry is just that, an industry. It's sick.

Did you get addicted in later life then? Ive been under the impression that it shows in pretty early stage in drug use in general. I think i have got past the most dangerous phase.. there was some kind of honeymoon when all drugs seemed so interesting that they were all i got think about.

I can see myself getting fucked by drugs if encountered with some severe life crisis tho. Theyre so easy way to escape from all the shit. The most important thing is prolly that i avoid opiates and stimulants. And then, there is very limited supply for me.

Addiction is a crazy thing, often it's an incredibly slow, gradual process. If you use addictive drugs with regularity, then it is very likely you will get addicted eventually. If you use an opiate sometimes if it comes around, and you can look back and say something like "yeah I've done a handful of opiates over the years but I don't remember when the last time was", you're probably good. But honestly, given the extremely high rate of psychedelic lovers eventually becoming opiate addicts, I would highly advise you to just not touch them at all.

I can't describe addiction to you, just know that no one ever thinks they'll become addicted. And no one realizes they are until they try to stop and realize they can't.

My mommy and daddy know about my drug use, they sanctioned my ibogaine last year...it was in their home I took it. It was in their home I first drank codeine cough syrup and first fell under the spell of narcotics so it seemed fitting to come back to square one. They sure knew all the years I was a junkie, when i was a pod user and came here on vacation, I would order pods to the house. In fact them seeing me cooking pod tea went a long way to helping my parents become enablers to my habit...I tried hard to show them how 'normal' I was and only two years ago when I was headed for the streets did they have any idea how serious my illness was...I still think there is some disconnect in my parents brain between opiate addiction as they saw in my circumstance, and the 'junkie' they see on Law and Order.

I smoke pot occasionally with my mother. My mom loves to joke about spiking my father with MDMA/ibogaine/LSD since (we love to joke) he really needs that sort of experience. My mother has expressed interest in psychedelics although when I actually make a gesture about making actual plans, she always backs out. My mom's sisters hubby (ie my uncle) has a parkinsons-like illness that has/hasn't responded well to RXment. She (my aunt) has considered ibogaine as a last ditch RXment for my uncle. They are still considering it although last I heard, he is responding somewhat to his current RXment. I am told they want me to give him ibogaine if all else fails and I have consulted the ibogaine community about this. In his case, I would only consider ultramicrodosing of the bark...these small amounts are still helpful in treating (experimentally) parkinsons...one doesn't trip from microdosing.

Edit: if someone has a ketamine source this summer they better PM me about it! J.k. no I'm not, yes I am, no I'm not, yes I am.

My parents also have a block up, they know I am an opiate addict but they are in denial about just how serious of an issue it is for me. I think they consider it somehow different from "addicts" they see or hear about that aren't me.

 

[xammy]

Just turned 22

 

[Xorkoth]

For xorkoth: I've been doing some reading, consider it a preliminary legal consultation:

NSFW:

I assume you mean not suing for divorce, as without the courts divorce is literally impossible. If you want a no-fault divorce (i.e. voluntary, mutually agreed upon), you need to be separated for a period of one year first.¹ You do not need to involve the legal system for separation, just remember the day, however, there are advantages to formally filing for separation.²

It is possible to divorce after your period of separation without the use of an attorney, but the only advantage to this is lower financial cost, which is offset by the time and effort someone without knowledge of the legal system will have to go through to get it done.⁴ Whether or not you decide to go for an attorney, you should seriously consider mediation.⁵

Get a third party involved for your own protection, it's quite clear from your posts that she is the dominant partner, emotionally volatile, and impulsive. So if proceedings take a nasty turn, you're going to get the worst of it; that whole hiding your drug addiction from your spouse thing wouldn't help your case either.

So, are you saying it doesn't need to be a legal separation? Because she left me almost 10 months ago, but we have not gotten a legal separation. So are you saying that in roughly 2 months we would be able to do a no-fault divorce? Or that we need to get a legal separation first so that if I did it tomorrow, I could do the no-fault 1 year from tomorrow?

 

[Roger&Me]

But honestly, given the extremely high rate of psychedelic lovers eventually becoming opiate addicts, I would highly advise you to just not touch them at all.

this is a great observation, it happens so often as to be almost predictable. if a person loves psychedelics and does them often, i would bet they're going to develop an opiate addiction at some point if they have access to them.

it happened to me, and it happened to so many others. the opiate headspace has an almost psychedelic edge to it anyway, and couple that with the fact that it soothes all the existential maladies that can be uncovered through tripping, it really is a huge risk.

when i found oc80's, it was the most comforting thing in the world. i felt like i was home... well, until withdrawal set in, then i realized i was not at home but instead in a really fucked place that i shouldn't be. i'm so glad i quit and didn't look back.

 

[xammy]

My biological parens both OD'd so its somewhat my life goal to not have to go the same way

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm glad you quit too. I have been addicted to opiates for 10 years now... feels bad, man.

Regarding buprenorphine, the stories I have heard involve people taking a dose, then taking significantly less the next time, then less, etc. And then the final step off isn't bad. A few people I know said it was a miracle. I haven't heard many stories of people wishing they had just gone through withdrawal. Do you have experience with it personally?

I will say, I will be getting some MXE soon, and first I am going to try using low-dose MXE throughout the day as an aid to withdrawal... I am already at a point where I am days between doses of poppy tea, it's just that the withdrawal is still bad when I break my pattern. But I don't think it will last too long and if MXE works well enough to blunt the bad parts then I just may be able to get off of this without involving another opioid.

My biological parens both OD'd so its somewhat my life goal to not have to go the same way

That gives you good motivation, but on the other hand part of addiction potential, a large part, appears to be genetic. So it also means you may be genetically prediposed to addiction.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

So, are you saying it doesn't need to be a legal separation? Because she left me almost 10 months ago, but we have not gotten a legal separation. So are you saying that in roughly 2 months we would be able to do a no-fault divorce? Or that we need to get a legal separation first so that if I did it tomorrow, I could do the no-fault 1 year from tomorrow?

You can be legally separated without an official separation agreement.¹ To apply for your divorce, you need to have lived separate and apart (i.e. in different houses, not different bedrooms) for a year (and one day), with one of you intent that the separation was permanent, and did not resume marital relations during that time.^{2 3}

From what I read in your post, it doesn't sound like you've been separated for that long, but I could just be misreading it. Oh, and here's a DIY Divorce guide for NC, if you wanna check it out.

I am going to try using low-dose MXE throughout the day as an aid to withdrawal

If you UTSE, you'll find anecdotal evidence supporting its efficacy as a withdrawal aid.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hey, do you also know... if we got married in Illinois (marriage license was from IL), will NC law apply? Or will IL law?

And yeah, we lived together until a little over a month ago. Okay... why do they have to make divorce so complicated? It's not, we don't want to be married anymore and we want to separate without having to pay a bunch of money and stuff. Seems pretty wrong that we are not allowed to do this. Stupid beaurocracy.

So... I think I am going to go to the Tuesday night funk jam tonight, I'm feeling good and it would be fun to dance to bad ass live music. It's a late event though, it doesn't really get started til 11 and doesn't really start hopping til midnight.

 

[amanitadine]

Xork: yeah, I have been on buprenorphine twice, once for a year, another for two years. It was great getting me out of a spiraling heroin addiction, but getting off was tough. Once, I went back onto heroin to quit (!) after many repeated failed attempts, and another time onto Kratom, for 2.5 years. The withdrawals from long term suboxone use just never end..it takes a month to get where 5 days off heroin would get me. It works fantastically to use for a few weeks in a quick taper, before it gets it's hooks in, but most doctors want you on "maintenance". My experience isn't too unique either...check subsux.com or a few other forums. It has it's purpose, but is really over prescribed IMO, and the withdrawals are downplayed by doctors, likely out of ignorance because so few of their patients get off of it!

 

[Xorkoth]

I see. So if I were to get a prescription and actually taper over a week or 2, would you say it might work without being a hellish ordeal to get off? I mean a doctor could want me to stay on maintenance but I can do what I want.

Like I said, I am going to try the MXE method first.

 

[coelophysis]

I'd try to score it off the streets before going to a doctor. I've managed to kick with no physical problems from micro dosing suboxone. I've kicked with 2 pills before. Later on I was able to kick a heavy habit with 3 films. I just snorted little increments throughout the day.

 

[Xorkoth]

Why not doctor, out of curiosity? Just because it would be in my medical records? I'm not sure how I would go about finding it on the street, I don't really have street connections, the Internet is my connection