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[PepperSocks]

i meant the pihkal/tihkal library of compounds

makes me sad to think that we'll probably never see some of the sweeter ones like GANESHA, etc

We can still get the 'classic' pihkal/tihkal compounds like 2C-I or 2C-T-2, for example. The more obscure ones were never really prevalent, but I don't see any legal reason why we couldn't get them in the future. There just has to be a demand for them so they get stocked.

I've always wanted to try some of the 'essential-oil based' amphetamines, with MMDA on the top of the list. MDA is the illegal one I have yet to try, despite long term hunting (low profile lulz). I'll get it someday and secure a life-time supply.

Jeez, when I finally got pure MDMA I set out for a lifetime supply. That 7g is down to 2g (shared too much, damn social trips). I don't think it's going to be a lifetime supply after all. I can get more MDMA, but it's not this pure and the connection could drop off without warning.

Damn, just legalize everything and put a catalogue at the pharmacy counter

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Julia was way too technical (4 triple jumps, obviously trying to prove something), everyone else got all artsy for this, something that would have been helpful for a skater criticized as being robotic. Yes, I am critiquing a just-for-fun skate (it woulda been nice to see her have fun, emote something other than sadness in her skating). Gotta love those spins though, the grace of a swan and speed of a centrifuge.

I can't believe they're not a couple, they way they look at each other and the chemistry they have says otherwise, but after having the topic come up repeatedly they continually deny it.

Pairs skaters and ice dancers probably spend more time with their partners than most married couples, and their partnerships last longer than your average marriage these days, and looking passionate is part of the job (makes the brother/sister pairs a bit weird to watch sometimes).

Man Virtue is hot.

There are some nice looking lady ice dancers/skaters in general. And it doesn't hurt that they're the least clothed Winter Olympians.

makes me sad to think that we'll probably never see some of the sweeter ones like GANESHA, etc

Over time, I have lost interest in novelty for novelty's sake, not that I'm against putting the rarer stuff out there, it has a place, it's just...I've become weary of the culture that has grown around the Shulgin/Nichols compounds (as I've observed it on the internets, anyway). I don't wanna go on some elitist rant, but does all that variety increase someone's chance of finding something beneficial to their life as much as it increases the chance of finally finding something that they can be a bit abusive with (the looking in itself can be classified as such in some cases)? Maybe I'm just talking about my own problems and why I feel that I oughtta avoid the alphabet soup, I dunno.

 

[PepperSocks]

I have lost interest in novelty for novelty's sake

In general the novelty is gone for me too. I've read good things on MMDA for a long time, so if it shows up and is inexpensive I'll try it. I find I'm very much unwilling to try the very new (non shulgin) things. If I'm going to spend money on it I want there to be a very low probability that it won't fit for me. On that note if MDA and MMDA become available at the same time I'll go MDA for sure. Things that are tried and true are better investments for me nowadays.

Gah, I really wish I didn't spend so much money on novel psychs that didn't fit with me that I'll likely never consume. Even the ones that did fit with me I'll likely never empty the bags because there's so many doses there and I simply don't trip that much anymore. Trying many novelty psychedelics is an expensive hobby.

 

[Help?!?!]

People can and will abuse anything so it's a moot point for me. Believe me like I said earlier, people have literally put tens of thousands of dollars into custom synths its just at the end of the day avarice won out and people decided robbing others was more worthwhile. I just don't think you guys are/were apart of the forums I was.

I'm willing to try any "studied" psychedelic or dissociatives that fancy me. Shulgin was a genius but not a god, he didn't find a mythical solution for new chemical synths, his brain just seemed wired to know what would be hit or miss. I find it a bit elitist personally to say you don't want anything Shulgin has made, but I just think that sort of thought is boxed in. Look at Nichols, he's IMO created better chemicals than Shulgin not to even mention Hofmann.

MDA is the bees knees but I still think I might like 6-APBD a bit better.

P.S. Look at DOEF and tell me you don't want a taste! MEM or TOMSO?

 

[xammy]

Didn't Shulgin develop a new synthesis method for MDMA?

 

[PepperSocks]

I just don't think you guys are/were apart of the forums I was.

I've been on some good ones no longer in existence, oh those were the days lol :D

I'm willing to try any "studied" psychedelic or dissociatives that fancy me. Shulgin was a genius but not a god, he didn't find a mythical solution for new chemical synths, his brain just seemed wired to know what would be hit or miss. I find it a bit elitist personally to say you don't want anything Shulgin has made, but I just think that sort of thought is boxed in. Look at Nichols, he's IMO created better chemicals than Shulgin not to even mention Hofmann.

That's what I mean. When I said 'non-shulgin' I wasn't clinging to him like an elitist cult follower; it's just his stuff has been around longer, tasted by more people, and are generally more 'dependable'. Then again MDA wasn't made by him anyway. I just seek the more or less 'sure things'.

P.S. Look at DOEF and tell me you don't want a taste!

I've read DOx likers definitely like that one. You're a bit nuts though, I could never get into DOx's. Intenso body load and insane duration; bit too much for me unless I go hermit with it. Even then the body load would have me hesitating. So much DOI to consume lol

Of the APB's, I didn't really get anything from 6-APB, but I was on a bunch of other stuff at the time and surely drowned it out with shittiness. I have some 5-APB and I'm considering using it 3 or 2:1 with MDMA. The structural similarity with MDA has me curious, as well as people's experiences citing similarities. Then there's the dehydrogenated (saturated, non double bond) versions, but like I said, not too interested in spending more money on 'iffy' things. I already have the 5-APB.

Jees all this psych talk is bringing me back into the fold. I think I can safely say when this bag of meth is gone I'm not getting more. I want to get that loving ecstasy back. Either MDMA:5-APB, MDMA:2C-B (~8mg) or 2C-T-2 on it's own for my next experience.

Puck drop in 15, going to sleep well tomorrow, I mean tonight

 

[Help?!?!]

Have you tried low dose DOC? It might be more speed. I'm just severely I just don't happen to get many side effects from anything. I also didn't even know more than a few people tried, I've desperately searched for that one just like DOM to no avail!

Oh I know MDA wasn't made by Shulgin, you ever hear that terrible story where the army drugged a famous tennis player in a psych ward and killed him? What a way to go padded walls(I think to observe him)dying most likely of hyperthermia or dehydration! This was in the 30's or 50's during the gov's outrageous experiments.

Also what dose of 6-APB did you try I find the added D to mostttt similar to MDA, soooo comfyyyy !

 

[PepperSocks]

Have you tried low dose DOC?

Ya, the only time I did it was with 2mg. Not super low dose, but supposedly on the mild side. The first 8 hours was horrendous. Not in a speedy sense, just absolute body tension and GI discomfort, a generally ill feeling; like food poisoning. After 8 hours of that I took some diazepam to smooth it out and it plateaued quite nicely. It just doesn't work for me, too much discomfort and without a benzo I don't think I would have gotten out of that until it completely wore off.

Also what dose of 6-APB did you try I find the added D to mostttt similar to MDA, soooo comfyyyy !

Yeah, I've read all about the CIA and their madness with various things including MDA.

I can't recall how much 6-APB I took to try; I'm thinking a moderate dose, likely 100mg or so. The thing is it was mixed, and at one point when I was out of uppers I used the 6-APB in sub-psych doses (like 20mg) for stimulant purposes, so it went down the tubes. I've been reading a lot on transporter affinities of these things and the di-hydrogenated versions appear to be very selective 5-HT releasers.

It seems 5-APB (which I have) has a higher 5-HT : DA ratio than 6-APB by a good margin.

I still don't think it would be wise to invest in these in the attempt to find an MDA substitute. I'll mix the 5-APB I have with MDMA to make it a bit deeper, but from what I read none of these is an adequate MDA replacement.

Swedes got schooled. Another one bites the dust

 

[Help?!?!]

I'm telling you 6-APBD's probably as close as you'll get. No replacement but I'm not a firm believer in "replacers" as no drug I know has the same affinity
/efficacy/etc.

 

[PepperSocks]

I'm not a firm believer in "replacers" as no drug I know has the same affinity
/efficacy/etc.

Bingo. If I get desperate I might, but there'sg no replacement for the real deal when it comes to all drugs. It's like when I was in an MDMA drought and I (quite successfully I might add) tricked myself into believing bk-MDMA was pretty much just as good. Well, it was better than what I had access to which was nothing, but I eventually came to my senses and knew there was no substitute for actual MDMA. I'd expect the analogy to follow with MDA.

Like when I got desparate for something like MDMA, I might end up getting desperate for something like MDA.

It's weird in that pure MDA is so much more rare. Theoretically it's easier to produce as it involves one less step (no need to make methylamine), yet very few supply it. I think if they gave people the option to buy both and make their own mixes people would roll way harder and be happier for it; I know I would.

 

[Help?!?!]

I know right? I wonder that all the time but I like MDA way more. I had a mix of my own MDMA/MDA at a two to one ratio I bought. It was such amazing stuff!

 

[Roger&Me]

It's weird in that pure MDA is so much more rare. Theoretically it's easier to produce as it involves one less step (no need to make methylamine), yet very few supply it. I think if they gave people the option to buy both and make their own mixes people would roll way harder and be happier for it; I know I would.

i used to see it all the time. i'd call up my friend for some molly and he'd be like "nahhhh bro, all i got is some straight sass" and at first i lol'd because i thought he was talking about like sassafras or some shit. but then i realized he was talking about MDA.

 

[PepperSocks]

^ Sigh. I really do think you guys have better drug markets, especially when it comes to psychedelics. I tend to be able to get LSD or MDMA, but only after extensive, patient searching. I'm going to ask my MDMA channel if he has any MDA, but I would bet a fair chunk of dough that the reply I get if affirming will be "yeah I can get some MDMA" and I'll be like "no, em dee ay, not em dee em ay", and he'll be all like "what the hell is that" and I'll be like "just ask your higher up for em dee ay" and he'll be all like "oookay".

Low brow drug hookups.

Well, between you guys and the psych talk, and my desire to watch the early hockey game, I now hate meth. I can't sleep during the day without making sleep schedule even more FUBAR, so I'm going to stay up til around 9pm and catch up.

 

[xammy]

I'd kill for MDA

 

[PepperSocks]

^ I wish there was a simple way to de-methylate drugs. I'd change some of my MDMA to MDA and all of my methamphetamine to amphetamine. That'd be sweet.

edit: I'd also demethylate OTC codeine into morphine. I know there's a way to do that in a home lab, but it's pretty involved with hard-ish to get chems.

I wonder what else is better demethylated lol

 

[Roger&Me]

if you ask your mdma connect for mda, try asking for "sass", most people seem to know it by that name apparently

 

[PepperSocks]

I'll give it a try. I'd be surprised if it was a universal term like most people know 'molly' means MDMA, but I'll give it a shot.

lulz at the sports 180 for me today. Going from the intelligent, refined olympics, to the redneckidome of the Daytona 500 in Nascar. I love racing; I just can't wait for Formula 1 to start.

 

[coelophysis]

To me 6-apb was alright but really had nothing compared to MDMA or MDA. The come up is too long and nauseating, it takes me 2 hours to feel it, and by hour 3 I'm finally peaking. With MDA I'm gone in 45 minutes.

 

[phenethylo J]

I wish I had more than just 65mgs of mda left; I really regret taking that redose last time I rolled. I'm sure I can still get something worthwhile out of it if I plug it and add a bit of 2c-b and allot of K. Also might add a low dose of dmt. I have done 2c-b+k+dmt several times and mda+k+dmt once and it was very beautiful. I found the synergy with 2c-b+k+dmt to be far better but that might of just been because of the fact I got very sick on the come up that time(which has never happened before) I did mda and even though I was fine by the peak the paranoia of it coming back with still in the back of my mind; which prevented me from completely letting go when I hit the dmt.

If we are just talking about K I find it synergises better with mda.


Not planning to take any mda again for a while though for multiple reasons.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

lol fuck yeah

laika I love you